Number of Character Appearances IV

[Gilphon]

If it later becomes clear that she's the only little girl around, then maybe, but there's no real way of telling, as things are.

[Wrecan]

Penelope's daughter would be 16. There's really no way to know which of the people who are clearly not pre-adolescents or old people, are 16 year-olds.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 841
Belkar Bitterleaf, Blackwing, Draketooth Progenitor Dragon, Durkon Thundershield, Elan (+1), Girard Draketooth (+1) (as statue and in genealogical chart), Haley Starshine (+1), Mr. Scruffy, Roy Greenhilt (+1), Vaarsuvius, Yukyuk (dominated)

[martianmister]

Originally Posted by Gilphon

If it later becomes clear that she's the only little girl around, then maybe, but there's no real way of telling, as things are.

Originally Posted by Wrecan

Penelope's daughter would be 16. There's really no way to know which of the people who are clearly not pre-adolescents or old people, are 16 year-olds.

I was talking about the only girl with Penelope's hair colour. But you are right, it's too early to decide.

[Gift Jeraff]

Well, tracking down the Draketooth family seems daunting, but hey, it's been done with the Sapphire Guard.

But here are the easy ones:
#842: Belkar Bitterleaf, Blackwing (+1), Durkon Thundershield (+1), Elan (+1), Girard Draketooth (as pictograph) (+1), Haley Starshine (+1), Roy Greenhilt (+1), Vaarsuvius (+1)

Girard gets a retroactive +1 for the family tree appearing on the doorways in #841 (he's the central rune).

[Chronos]

[b]842: Belkar Bitterleaf, Blackwing +1 Durkon Thundershield +1 Elan, Girard Draketooth (in genealogy diagram), Haley Starshine +1, Purple-shirted blond male Draketooth corpse +1, Purple-shirted orange ponytailed Draketooth corpse, Roy Greenhilt +1, Vaarsuvius +1

Some of the other folks in the genealogy diagram might be recognizable from last strip, too. And we probably need more concise names for the purple-shirts.

[Chronos]

Ooh, I hadn't noticed that the genealogy diagram also shows up in 841. Technically, I think that means we need listings for half the people on that diagram, too. If we can't match them to corpses, I suggest we just list them as "Draketooth genealogy figures".

[Flame of Anor]

I would say just list appearances for "Draketooth genealogy figures" and "Draketooth corpses". In addition to anyone we know the name of, of course.

[Squirrel_Token]

Yeah, while I think we can pretty definitively give Girard a +1, since he's clearly the central figure in the family tree. Everyone else, I think, should go unmentioned unless we can clearly identify them. I don't think we need to add every nameless Draketooth under the lump title of "geneology figures."

Also, there's no need to retroactively give Girard a +1 for 841, since he already got credit for the statue.

[Flame of Anor]

Originally Posted by Squirrel_Token

Also, there's no need to retroactively give Girard a +1 for 841, since he already got credit for the statue.

But he does get a (+1) because he's in the second page too.

[Squirrel_Token]

Originally Posted by Flame of Anor

But he does get a (+1) because he's in the second page too.

... Right. I'm an idiot

[Fawkes]

Originally Posted by Flame of Anor

But he does get a (+1) because he's in the second page too.

Does it really count if you can't actually see him in 841? The only recognizable figure in that one is the dragon at the top. The rest appear as indistinguishable runes.

[Flame of Anor]

Originally Posted by Fawkes

Does it really count if you can't actually see him in 841? The only recognizable figure in that one is the dragon at the top. The rest appear as indistinguishable runes.

He's the third from the right in the third row down. That's the rune that looks like a three-legged telephone pole. It is clearly visible under the "p" of Elan's "--help" in #841.

Here is a shoddy diagram of Girard's rune:

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Oh, and before anyone brings this up, I know the chart we see more clearly in #841 is not the chart V is looking at (it's on the other side of the door), but you can see they are identical.

[Vargtass]

Would pictographs really be counted as appearances or are they symbols of the names? Would we have counted hieroglyphs or Chinese signs? I am sceptical, I rather see the signs as symbols for persons, not appearances. V's pictoral translation (in V's and Blackwing's minds, I suppose) of them, on the other hand, would definately count.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 842
Belkar Bitterleaf, Blackwing (+1), Draketooth Progenitor Dragon (+1) (in genealogical chart), Durkon Thundershield (+1), Elan (+1), Girard Draketooth (+1) (in genealogical chart), Haley Starshine (+1), Roy Greenhilt (+1), Vaarsuvius (+1)

I can't match the corpses in 842 with any of the corpses in 841, so the Draketooths are being deemed indistinct for now and not listed. Girard gets one for his appearance in the bottom of 842, but I can't specifically identify his pictograph in the shots from 841 or the top of 842, and it may be obscured by speech bubbles. But I can identify the Draketooth Progenitor Dragon, so he gets a retroactive second appearance and a +1. None of the other Draketooths in the genealogical charts get appearances because I can't specifically identify any of them.

Finaly, due to size limitations, Extras have to be moved back to the second post.

On a side note, this is Durkon's 300th appearance, and Blackwing has now equalled the MitD for appearances. Also, oddly, neither Mr. Scruffy nor Yukyuk made an appearance in this strip...

[Gift Jeraff]

In #841, Girard's pictograph is right next to Elan's "--help." balloon. In this strip, it's next to the bug in panel 7 and Haley's "Yeah, OK." balloon in panel 8. So he should get +1 for both strips.

[fergo]

Originally Posted by Wrecan

On a side note, this is Durkon's 300th appearance,

Whoo! *breaks out the baloons and streamers*

[Wrecan]

Nice catch, Gift! i will add them

[The_Final_Stand]

#843: Belkar, Blackwing(+1), Elan, Haley, Mr Scruffy, Penelope, Roy, Vaarsuvius (+1), Yukyuk.

Assuming Penelope is the one drinking tea on the Empire of Blood balcony, given that she's the focus of V's dialogue box there.

Would Girard and his family tree get another appearance?

[Wrecan]

Updated through 843
Belkar Bitterleaf, Blackwing (+1), Draketooth Progenitor Dragon (in genealogical chart), Elan, Girard Draketooth (in genealogical chart), Haley Starshine, Mr. Scruffy, Penelope, Roy Greenhilt, Vaarsuvius (+1), Yukyuk (dominated)

[RMS Oceanic]

Regarding the family chart, I think we could unambiguously identify a few more Draketooths, such as Girard's Grandmother, Father, Uncle, Aunt, Brother and Sister. I wouldn't try to identify Girard's cousins, nephews, neices or children or grandchildren however, as it would just be a slew of #1, #2, #3 and so on.

If you agree with this, then the murals that represent his Grandmother, Uncle and Brother can be seen in 841, and all six of them can be seen in 843.

[Wrecan]

I'd like others' opinions before adding them onto the list.

[Fawkes]

I still don't think anyone but the dragon actually 'appears' when the chart is reduced to simple runes. I'd look at it the same way as Nale's wanted poster when we don't see his picture - we know the picture is there, but it doesn't actually appear.

[Gilphon]

Nah, it's different from that. With that, the picture demonstrably isn't actually there. With this, it's fairly easy to match up the runes to the people.

[Flame of Anor]

Originally Posted by RMS Oceanic

Regarding the family chart, I think we could unambiguously identify a few more Draketooths, such as Girard's Grandmother, Father, Uncle, Aunt, Brother and Sister. I wouldn't try to identify Girard's cousins, nephews, neices or children or grandchildren however, as it would just be a slew of #1, #2, #3 and so on.

If you agree with this, then the murals that represent his Grandmother, Uncle and Brother can be seen in 841, and all six of them can be seen in 843.

I'm kind of ambivalent on this.

I do agree with Gilphon on the picture runes, though.

[Wrecan]

Updated through 844
Blackwing, Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Haley Starshine, Roy Greenhilt, Vaarsuvius

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Wrecan

Updated through 844
Blackwing, Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Haley Starshine, Roy Greenhilt, Vaarsuvius

The corpse that Durkon is trying to raise also appears in #841.

[Wrecan]

There's no way to know for certain. So he doesn't get counted.

[Gilphon]

Really? The corpses all seem pretty distinct to me.

[Nimrod's Son]

They all look pretty distinct to me. We're not exactly talking Azure City soldiers here. Identical tattoo, identical hair, identical clothes. Why wouldn't it be the same person? No two Draketooths have been drawn the same so far.