That last post seems to be getting a little heated, Drew. I think perhaps this is where the OOC analysis of Sigurd's actions should end. The call was made IC and we're dealing with the consequences now, not the original decision. I don't think the others have acted out-of-character in not taking Sigurd's side, and I don't think they're doing it just to pick on you either, so I don't see that there's an argument to be won or lost here.
If you feel like no-one's got Sigurd's back right now... well, that's the situation that Pieter was in for ~99% of THAM as a newcomer to the group, and Raffy as up in his face about it as anyone. It's a natural IC development and should be addressed as part of the story. After all, who says I have to be the only purveyor of conflict?
Also, I realised I completely forgot to answer Frankie's question (sorry, like I said in the OOC I was a little tipsy) - no, it's not too dark to see where your knife landed, but you would have to push your way out through this crowd (see map) to get to it.
As I said before, I think your writeup of Indigo breaking the peace gave a wrong impression of my actions. And I think that the other player's comments show that OOC, they themselves view me as being irrationally aggressive.
I feel personally picked on. Me, Drew. Abandon Sigurd all you want, if your characters have a good reason for it; but please don't tell me how crazy he's being, when he's fearing for his life.
Or that he has nothing to fear, when Lothar was clearly scared for Illiiya.
It bothers me. I don't play Raffy anymore. When we came to the house, Sigurd tried to handle things peacefully and Ithelus shot a man. Then when the peasants gathered around, Sigurd suggested taking all this to the Lord, and instead they tried to haul him off.
But somehow Sigurd is the aggressor.
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We're all the aggressors here. Like in Judge's Square, the situation spun out of control due to one PC's actions (Ithelus this time) and we all ended up in the same boat. Now, Pieter will try to leave that boat and let Sigurd sink with it if he wants to, so long as he doesn't insist on dragging Illiiya with him.
OOC, I think Sigurd is entertaining. Not reasonable, but entertaining. Can't wait to see where this is going.
Like I said, I'm not going to weigh in on who's got the clearer picture of how much danger Sigurd is in - since I know what the villagers are thinking, I'd distort the whole problem.
If it's the 'fragile peace of reason' thing that's rankling, then I'm sorry. I wrote that because I was trying to convey the sense that Ithelus' local stand-off had been defused, only for the sounds of ongoing violence to break in from another part of the scene. The idea was not that all the peasants had stopped and Indigo just went for one of them. The 'peace of reason' concerned only the fact that Ithelus had stopped trying to murder people.
Sometimes I let prose style get the better of clarity; I usually hope that OOC spoilers make everything sufficiently clear. Perhaps I should have answered this earlier - if that's the case, I can only apologise again. As you can see with my missing-Frankie's-question thing above, I'm a bit stretched for time and attention at the moment.
The rest does still seem to me to be purely an IC matter.
Anyway, I have a third apology to make, to everyone this time - I've been gallivanting around all over the place today, and as I type this it is much too late at night/early in the morning for me to start writing a proper update. I will get it done tomorrow!
Ok, the OOC has gotten a little uncomfortable but let me put this out there.
Illiiya agrees. Entirely. Wholeheartedly. She was nearly burned once and has seen a lot of discrimination in the last game and in her back story. I was torn between her "realizes she's brash and listens to her more reasonable friends" tendency and her "lash out at anything that scares me" tendency when the mob happened. I ended up making a WP roll to bite back her fear and listen to Pieter's advice. It helped that Ith chilled out too, or I might not have even put it to a roll.
But yeah... it doesn't take a Witch Hunter to burn a witch. People in warhammer fear mages and blame them for their issues. IMHO Sigurd is justified in his worry about what they'll do. He's in a tiny town away from "civilization" and the people have seen odd stuff from us lately. I'd worry about what they'd do to me too... more so with a man calling us murderers and it looking like we're more than a bit crazy. They might well decide a mage is too dangerous to try and hold under arrest and will lynch him. A slight over-reaction but a justified one, and one Illiiya almost made too. So don't feel like everyone's against you hun. Ok?
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Also, Lothar being scared for the lady he's bangin' and holding up a fist to threaten folk that come near her is not the same thing at all. I mean, Illiiya IS an unregistered mage, HAS been burned, and is his ladyfriend. But he also hasn't drawn steel in this scene.
That said, I tried to be clear that I don't think that you, Drew, are doing anything bad. Because I don't. Raffy would have reacted far worse in this scene; Sigurd's reactions are clearly not yours.
ALSO, LCP: YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION EITHER
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When Lothar barged the door before, did he break the latch? What am I asking is if I need to force the door again, or if it would open at a push?
Or would I need to try it to know?
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As I said before, I think your writeup of Indigo breaking the peace gave a wrong impression of my actions. And I think that the other player's comments show that OOC, they themselves view me as being irrationally aggressive.
I feel personally picked on. Me, Drew. Abandon Sigurd all you want, if your characters have a good reason for it; but please don't tell me how crazy he's being, when he's fearing for his life.
Or that he has nothing to fear, when Lothar was clearly scared for Illiiya.
It bothers me. I don't play Raffy anymore. When we came to the house, Sigurd tried to handle things peacefully and Ithelus shot a man. Then when the peasants gathered around, Sigurd suggested taking all this to the Lord, and instead they tried to haul him off.
But somehow Sigurd is the aggressor.
I was actually going to point it out out. Ithelus shot a man, unprovoked and then tried to knife a guy in the face.
I think you might just be getting the wrong end of the stick, as far as I'm concerned Ithelus is the aggressor but now he realises how much crap he has created he has stopped. If that helps?
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate your last few posts.
I took the last day or two away from the thread to kind of let this settle down inside my head.
In general I really like games where there is PC to PC conflict, difference of opinion, etc. I once played in an IRL group where we were all expected to be unanimous of consensus and unified and cautious in our actions. Like good little soldiers. That was definitely much less fun than this.
It's when I feel like the misunderstanding spreads to OOC that I get stressed, or if I don't feel heard by the other players.
I think I just needed some distance and also all of your comments above really help me feel better about it.
Anyway... no more drama from this quarter. On with the lynching game.
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Poor sigurd can't make his casts. Aim low if you can. There's a reason Illiiya still relies on Magic Dart.
Oh, or pick up Dark Magic and flirt with the Dhar. Sure it leaves a horrible stain on your soul... but hey, it's worked for me!
Yes, it certainly has.
Boy howdy!
Oh gods, it hurts! Make it STOP!
Yep... no downsides to it whatsoever!
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Which she'll win because she uses the Dhar and Sigurd can't make his casts. :P :P
LOL. True point.
In the first chapter of THAM, if somebody had pointed at Lothar and said this'll be your party diplomat, I would have rolled my eyes. Nicely done sir. Points for MVP again this round.
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Which she'll win because she uses the Dhar and Sigurd can't make his casts. :P :P
Or she'll miscast and explode or go MORE crazy. Not that shadow-magic is really stellar for dueling anyway. It wouldn't really be a fair fight.
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Hahaha. With Illiiya's mental state, that would be potentially devastating.
I really wish there was a way to do the voice though. The spell doesn't cover voices. Even if it was a separate spell you had to cast after the first one, it would really allow for the fun and clever tricks Illusion is meant for.
Oh well. Looking like Lothar and making a Fel test against... 10.... will have to be good enough.
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I should've made my roll. I knew I had drawn a picture of Waite just standing around earlier. With that it would've been at +2 and made the casting roll by 1.
I couldn't find where it was in the thread before, so I decided I must have been wrong. But it was at the duel!
UGH. Oh man. Well, it would be a little crazy to go back and change it now, so I'm not asking for that, just frustrated.
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On a separate but even more infuriating note: I am sorry to tell you guys that I am going to be on a forced hiatus from tomorrow through to Friday. Imperial's Graduate Schools think it's a fantastic idea to send us on a mandatory three-day self-help course in some house in the country to learn about 'emotional reasoning' and run around directing people who are blindfolded with the sound of our voices and similar utter bollocks. My friend who I tried to persuade to phone in a bomb threat has backed out (like a coward), so it's looking like I'll have to go.
What use this is supposed to be to actual human beings, I have no idea. What it has to do with particle physics, still less. So, apologies, and enjoy the consolation that while you may be cross about it, I have to suffer it. I'm pretty worn out this evening, and this next update is going to be a lot of complex book-keeping of NPCs moving back and forth, so I'm going to beg your indulgence to write it up when I get back on Saturday.
And if I've seemed a bit snappish lately, now you know why. I've been dreading this thing for weeks.
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