A Complete List of 3.5 3rd Party Base Classes (over 400!) - Page 2

Empedocles · 04-04-2012, 07:39 PM

Alright, I've decided on how I'm going to (eventually) organize this. I'll have classes organized by publisher and classes organized by "role" (spellcaster, gish, fighter, etc.). Each class will have a spoiler that has a description that includes approximate Tier and a brief description.

Sound good?

The-Mage-King · 04-04-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilpich

Uh...

How? Like a spreadsheet organizer? Because when you say "word processor" I think Microsoft Word (which is what I use) but I don't know how to do that on word...

Alright. Word has an option to make a table in the "Insert" tab. You can add as much as you want, OR make it from a list, like the one you have.

...

Tell you what. I'll throw together a table, and post it in a couple of hours. If you PM me your email, I can send you a copy of the word doc I'll be using for creating the base table. Sound good?

Empedocles · 04-04-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Mage-King

Alright. Word has an option to make a table in the "Insert" tab. You can add as much as you want, OR make it from a list, like the one you have.

...

Tell you what. I'll throw together a table, and post it in a couple of hours. If you PM me your email, I can send you a copy of the word doc I'll be using for creating the base table. Sound good?

I know how to make a table. I thought you were saying make a search function to people could type something in to a bar and find anything it the table. I can put it in a table if that's all you were saying.

Particle_Man · 04-04-2012, 08:08 PM

As long as your are doing this Herculean Labour, wanna do prestige classes too?

Empedocles · 04-04-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Particle_Man

As long as your are doing this Herculean Labour, wanna do prestige classes too?

Uh...............no. Sorry

I have a very strong, slightly irrational dislike of PrCs. It'd be cool if someone put that together, but it's not going to be me. Sorry, I just don't care enough about them.

Particle_Man · 04-04-2012, 08:30 PM

No worries. Compiling the Base Classes is a fine task in and of itself.

Hey wanna do all the playable races?

Empedocles · 04-04-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Particle_Man

No worries. Compiling the Base Classes is a fine task in and of itself.

Hey wanna do all the playable races?

I'd be interested in doing all LA 0 and LA 1 races when this is finished

The-Mage-King · 04-04-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilpich

I know how to make a table. I thought you were saying make a search function to people could type something in to a bar and find anything it the table. I can put it in a table if that's all you were saying.

Well, it's the whole "make table, then copy-paste to get it to look right on the forum" thing.

See, when a table from Word is copied to the forum, it... Well, gets some spaces to either side of the cell. What's inside these quotes " ". Note the size.

Control+H lets you search a Word doc for something and replace it. That's what I was suggesting be done- create table in Word, copy to here, copy the copy to another Word doc, and replace those things between data with |s.

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Here, have the WotC sanctioned base classes, including the ECS and Dragon Comp stuff that you missed.

Spoiler

Empedocles · 04-04-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Mage-King

Well, it's the whole "make table, then copy-paste to get it to look right on the forum" thing.

See, when a table from Word is copied to the forum, it... Well, gets some spaces to either side of the cell. What's inside these quotes " ". Note the size.

Control+H lets you search a Word doc for something and replace it. That's what I was suggesting be done- create table in Word, copy to here, copy the copy to another Word doc, and replace those things between data with |s.

...

Here, have the WotC sanctioned base classes, including the ECS and Dragon Comp stuff that you missed.

Spoiler

Whoa.

Thanks! If I could get a couple people to help me...everyone could do about 50 classes in a table. Then I'll put them all together (and probably open a new thread with a nice, fancy new table at the top of the page).

The-Mage-King · 04-04-2012, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilpich

Whoa.

Thanks! If I could get a couple people to help me...everyone could do about 50 classes in a table. Then I'll put them all together (and probably open a new thread with a nice, fancy new table at the top of the page).

Heh. That one still needs the tiers, roles, and notes filled in. I'm gonna need some time going through the tier system for that.

Empedocles · 04-04-2012, 09:17 PM

Spoiler

Did approximate Tiers...not sure if they're all right though

The-Mage-King · 04-04-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilpich

Did approximate Tiers...not sure if they're all right though

A few aren't. Like Warmage.

Read here. That's the most recent posting, and it should help figure these out for some.

killem2 · 04-04-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilpich

It'd be great if you could help

I'll admit I'm not great with the tier business, here is an example of what I was thinking:

GREENBOND
“I sing through the land, and the land sings through me.”
The greenbond is a mage who deals with nature. He speaks
the language of the leaves, of a babbling brook, or the stony
heartrock of a mountain. He remains in tune with the health of
the land around him. The greenbond is an animist who deals
with the spirits animate within all things—trees, rocks, rivers,
ponds, and even the air around him.

What ever you think though.

Empedocles · 04-04-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by killem2

I'll admit I'm not great with the tier business, here is an example of what I was thinking:

GREENBOND
“I sing through the land, and the land sings through me.”
The greenbond is a mage who deals with nature. He speaks
the language of the leaves, of a babbling brook, or the stony
heartrock of a mountain. He remains in tune with the health of
the land around him. The greenbond is an animist who deals
with the spirits animate within all things—trees, rocks, rivers,
ponds, and even the air around him.

What ever you think though.

So basically try to convey the flavor of the class in a few sentences? That's a great idea

Zeuy · 04-04-2012, 11:20 PM

On the DSP wiki, there is also the nexus class (full rules in the process of being put up).

The-Mage-King · 04-04-2012, 11:23 PM

Spoiler

Added some tier stuff. And by some, I mean "The rest".

Also, better list.

Empedocles · 04-04-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Mage-King

Spoiler

Added some tier stuff. And by some, I mean "The rest".

Also, better list.

I'd say mountebank is tier 4. Also, that list looks very similar to what we're going for except we're doing it with significantly over 400 classes.... and we're adding in descriptions. What have I gotten myself into??

The-Mage-King · 04-04-2012, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilpich

I'd say mountebank is tier 4. Also, that list looks very similar to what we're going for except we're doing it with significantly over 400 classes.... and we're adding in descriptions. What have I gotten myself into??

Hell.

Absolute Hell.

Empedocles · 04-04-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Mage-King

Hell.

Absolute Hell.

Can't decide if I'm leaning towards

or

.... ah well.

Randomguy · 04-05-2012, 12:25 AM

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I participated!

I added a tier to shadowcasters (they're tier 4), changed duskblade's tier (they're low tier 3, not tier 4), added the psychic rogue class from online (I think it goes in this table) and a few roles.

I'm wondering whether I should have counted the cleric and druid as gishes, since they get decent melee capability.

What role would Binder be? Caster? Gish?

The-Mage-King · 04-05-2012, 12:34 AM

Utility. They get changable stuff, so...

Empedocles · 04-05-2012, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The-Mage-King

Utility. They get changable stuff, so...

Agreed. Utility role

killem2 · 04-05-2012, 09:06 AM

Actually, since I have access to a lot of what you have listed here, what are the rules when it comes to this d20/srd/ogl whatever business in regards to posting it out right here?

What are the limitations?

Empedocles · 04-05-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by killem2

Actually, since I have access to a lot of what you have listed here, what are the rules when it comes to this d20/srd/ogl whatever business in regards to posting it out right here?

What are the limitations?

Basically, it's the flavor we have to be careful about overdoing. Most crunch is published under the OGL, but all images and fluff is considered closed game content. Despite this, it's probably unwise to actually give any specific crunchy stuff (like you can say the greenbond is a spellcaster who speaks with nature, but don't say it has a low BAB progression).

eggs · 04-05-2012, 03:30 PM

Cool project. Really, really ambitious.

I'm not really sifting through the list for omissions, but two that stood out were Frost & Fur and Rokugan Campaign setting, which have a few more classes.
Just a quick rundown and Tier rundown, in case that's going in here:

F&F:
Godi - Like a cleric with an extra domain, extra skills, no turning and a crappier spell list. T2.
Vitki - Full-casting buffer with severely limited spell list and few powerful high-level effects, but a breakable casting mechanic. T3.
Voela - Nerfed Druid with decent spell list, but a terrible casting mechanic. From T2 to T5, depending on circumstances. Let's say T3.
Angakoq - Ghost-themed Druid-type. T2.
Cossack - Mundane mounted combat. T6.
Koldun - Evil Charisma-based Wizard. Very limited, but very powerful spells. T2, but with a lot of potential to suck.
Volkhov - Divine caster with powerful spell list, Druid framework. T2.

RCS:
[Samurai/Shugenja reprinted from Oriental Adventures]
Courtier - Social skillmonkey designed for Diplomancy with built-in Leadership (but Fighter/Samurai cohorts only). Without abusing Diplomacy too hard, probably T5.
Ninja - Funky combat-focused Rogue. T5.
Inkyo - Monk, minus the class abilities. T6.

There's also Kobold Paragon, if you're trying to account for all of those.

Quote:

Complete Guide to Velociraptors

HOW AM I NOT CLAWING THROUGH THIS BOOK RIGHT NOW?

Empedocles · 04-05-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by eggs

Cool project. Really, really ambitious.

I'm not really sifting through the list for omissions, but two that stood out were Frost & Fur and Rokugan Campaign setting, which have a few more classes.
Just a quick rundown and Tier rundown, in case that's going in here:

F&F:
Godi - Like a cleric with an extra domain, extra skills, no turning and a crappier spell list. T2.
Vitki - Full-casting buffer with severely limited spell list and few powerful high-level effects, but a breakable casting mechanic. T3.
Voela - Nerfed Druid with decent spell list, but a terrible casting mechanic. From T2 to T5, depending on circumstances. Let's say T3.
Angakoq - Ghost-themed Druid-type. T2.
Cossack - Mundane mounted combat. T6.
Koldun - Evil Charisma-based Wizard. Very limited, but very powerful spells. T2, but with a lot of potential to suck.
Volkhov - Divine caster with powerful spell list, Druid framework. T2.

RCS:
[Samurai/Shugenja reprinted from Oriental Adventures]
Courtier - Social skillmonkey designed for Diplomancy with built-in Leadership (but Fighter/Samurai cohorts only). Without abusing Diplomacy too hard, probably T5.
Ninja - Funky combat-focused Rogue. T5.
Inkyo - Monk, minus the class abilities. T6.

There's also Kobold Paragon, if you're trying to account for all of those.

HOW AM I NOT CLAWING THROUGH THIS BOOK RIGHT NOW?

Whoa. Thanks! Surprised I missed that much. Also, if anyone has the Sovereign Stone Campaign Setting, I know that it has a couple of base classes. I can probably find them online but I have no idea what Tier or such they would be...

Empedocles · 04-05-2012, 04:07 PM

Added frost and fur, adding Rokugan Setting in a minute. Need to recount the number of classes, and would like to have the number of official WotC classes, number of monster classes, paragon classes, and 3rd party publisher's classes.

Empedocles · 04-05-2012, 08:00 PM

Officially recruiting helpers for tabling this now...

Empedocles · 04-06-2012, 10:49 AM

Bummmmmpppppppppppp

Suddo · 04-06-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy

Spoiler

My little contribution.

I personally would be fine with just Name|Book|Approximate Tier|Approximate Role|Any note on why they are in the tier, what type of system they use (Psionic, Arcane, Divine...).
I personally will only care about things that are Tier 4 and higher and will read over everything I would allow before allowing it, as the DM, so just a quick Tier number would be good enough.