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Old 04-16-2012, 04:55 AM   Top  -  End  -  #91
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In canon, the Underworld extinguishes an exploded PSV by Word of God.

While I'd have no objections to attempts to run it differently by an ST, that's how canon views it.

Huh. Wind-Cutting Blade Style certainly is interesting, and I actually rather like it. Especially how its Charms become more powerful if you know certain Melee Charms.
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The_Snark Your analogy is well chosen, but I beg to differ on the interpretation of Underworld as "solid". It isn't "solid" merely separated from Wyld. The cave You mentioned would be beneath Your basement, hidden away from the forest fires by virtue of being underground. We don't know if said cave is made of flammable stone or inflammable stone or if it contains explosive gas.
We don't know for sure, but all the evidence points towards non-flammable stone: the existence of Abyssal Charms that specifically target creatures of the Wyld, the fact that shadowlands remain stable in the Wyld long after Creation has melted away all around them, that little anecdote about the protoshinmaic vortex.

Looking at your other comments, I suspect we're disagreeing because your idea of Chaos isn't quite the same as ours. It's infinity, but not absolute, all-encompassing infinity.
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Simply said, I tend to not equate chaos with one of possibilities springing from it. Because the version of the Wyld as beaten dog of Exaltverse rubs me wrong. And death, end and other things are certainly not infinite. Lets agree to disagree and end this discussion.
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Madwand, Mr.Bookworm and AetherialDawn explained it better already. Infinitytm is infinite, period. Anything that we can perceive to be limited in some fashion, is automatically non-infinite. Assume that I'm talking about absolute infinity there. Ok ?
If it's absolute infinity, then why do Raksha come to Creation? Why are Raksha the only inhabitants of the Wyld that we know of? Why don't we have an infinite amount of Wyld creatures coming to Creation?

The Wyld is infinite possibility, but it isn't absolute infinity.
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Finally got my hands on a copy of the Alchemicals book, and now I'm all confused.

What's so bad about Clarity? I keep rereading that section, and it keeps looking to me like it doesn't significantly impair a character, just makes them different. Most of my players and I tend to make logical characters anyway, so I'm at a bit of a loss to understand why high Clarity is anywhere near as problematic as, say, Limit or Resonance, especially with the charm that exists to mitigate the social penalties.
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What's so bad about Clarity? I keep rereading that section, and it keeps looking to me like it doesn't significantly impair a character, just makes them different. Most of my players and I tend to make logical characters anyway, so I'm at a bit of a loss to understand why high Clarity is anywhere near as problematic as, say, Limit or Resonance, especially with the charm that exists to mitigate the social penalties.
There's nothing inherently bad about Clarity, so long as your character is the kind of person that's okay with its effects. If your character wants to be Doctor Manhattan++, that's cool.

Just like there's nothing inherently bad about Resonance if your character doesn't mind bringing death and horror down upon the innocent. Not everyone gives a damn.

And there's nothing inherently bad with Limit Breaks, either. Plenty of Solars have every reason to act like, say, Heart of Flint, even when they're not Limit Breaking. It's a cold, tough world out there.

But, Clarity may be intentionally less problematic for more character concepts, simply because it's sort of part of an Alchemical's nature. Limit Breaks and Resonance are unnaturally grafted curses laid upon the Exalted by the dying and dead titans. Clarity is just you being a magical robot.

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It's not!

Alchemicals aren't Cursed (yet), Clarity is just a thing that happens to them. Some find it scary to truly become a perfectly logical machine; others embrace it.

Now, if they get in on a Primordial-ganking or three, they might find a nasty flaw introduced into their nature... or not find it, as the case may be.
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Or three? I didn't realize there were that many left. :P
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Or three? I didn't realize there were that many left. :P
Even discounting the yozis (and I wouldn't count them out), there's Auto-kun, Gayia, and Mysterion.

That's three.
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For that matter, what ever happened to the Constelation of Sinew and Dream? Is he one of the neverborn or Yozis now? Did he flee of into the wild, wyld, wonder?
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I dunno about that. Luna always seems to be in bishie form when she's with Gaia.

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For that matter, what ever happened to the Constelation of Sinew and Dream? Is he one of the neverborn or Yozis now? Did he flee of into the wild, wyld, wonder?
You know, it isn't really explained. Sol was the one to take him down, but that doesn't make sense in the first place because of the Geas - though there may be a loophole for the Incarnae when performing their duties. Still, Sol doesn't have soul-destroying weaponry, but it sounds like Cemunian got deep-fried anyway.
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though there may be a loophole for the Incarnae when performing their duties.
Malfeas-That-Was can order the Geas temporarily revoked, actually, should he seek to wield the Sun against one of the other Primordials.
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So, I just finished playing Asura's Wrath, and it is the most blatantly exalted game i've ever played. It makes me want to figure out how to stat out some of the characters. The titular Asura I have pegged as roughly Essence 4, Slayer caste infernal using malfeas charms and Infernal Monster Style. Augus I have pegged as a high Essence solar. The one that eludes me, however, is Yasha. To me he is clearly a sidereal, but aside from that, I've no clue. I can't figure out what martial arts style he uses (but I'm thinking Violet Bier of Sorrows), or really much else about him.
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So, I just finished playing Asura's Wrath, and it is the most blatantly exalted game i've ever played. It makes me want to figure out how to stat out some of the characters. The titular Asura I have pegged as roughly Essence 4, Slayer caste infernal using malfeas charms and Infernal Monster Style. Augus I have pegged as a high Essence solar. The one that eludes me, however, is Yasha. To me he is clearly a sidereal, but aside from that, I've no clue. I can't figure out what martial arts style he uses (but I'm thinking Violet Bier of Sorrows), or really much else about him.
Asura could be a Slayer. Alternatively, he could be a Solar Akuma of Malfeas. Specifically the Akuma-ness represents his fall from grace fairly well, along with the fact that his fall also instilled him with a never-ending rage (rather than before, when it was occasionally-ending), and his fall was the source of him somehow transcending his limits and exceeding the power of his fellows.

Augus easily works as a Solar.

(Mr. Bookworm and I played out a fight between a big six-armed brass Slayer that shoots energy blasts, and a grand-daiklave wielding Solar about two weeks ago, although it ended abruptly when he realized that he might have one-shot me earlier in that fight. I questioned him about it, but he hasn't replied yet, so we can't finish it. Still, it was neat.)

Yasha is more of a Solar than a Sidereal. He doesn't bend fate and causality in the way that a Sidereal does, or invoke any of their themes as a teacher or vizier. He's just an agile Solar that fights with martial arts. Remember, Solars get stuff like Seven Shadow Evasion and Godspeed Steps. They can do the ninja archetype very well.
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Yasha reminds me of a sidereal in more than just his fighting style though. With lines like "When you live among the stars, you lose sight of what happens on the ground." and "Saving the world is no easy task. I played my part as best I could.", it really just smacks of Sidereal themes other than fate and causality to me.
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I dunno about that. Luna always seems to be in bishie form when she's with Gaia.
Well, it's not just Luna. I always remember the creation of Creation as "Lesbian BDSM between Gaia and Cytherea," though I don't remember where I heard that description.

Besides, I like giving wacky nicknames to primordials.
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Simply said, I tend to not equate chaos with one of possibilities springing from it. Because the version of the Wyld as beaten dog of Exaltverse rubs me wrong. And death, end and other things are certainly not infinite. Lets agree to disagree and end this discussion.
Fair enough. Goodness knows there are places where I diverge from what's in the books and start forging my own canon, too.
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I don't think it's really fair to call Gaia "gay", considering she, like almost every other Primordial, has male and female jouten and souls. Cytherea presumably had male and female components as well.

And Luna can freely switch between male, female and anything in between, too.
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GENDER? WHAT IS THIS SILLY THING YOU CALL GENDER?!?



Seriously though, applying standard train of thought to the primordials (and by extension Luna and the rest of the Incarnae) is a wasted endeavor.
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I'm no longer joining Exalted games hosted on these forums >.>

I do have an idea for a Hegra favored Scourge though.....
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So, the argument is that Gaia isn't gay because she and Luna can both be male when they hook up?

I call Gaia Gayia because the only lovers I know she's had in canon are (at least primarily) female. Plus I like Gaia + Luna as a lesbian couple because any gay crushes gain a free +10-50% cuteness. The same reason that Isidoros and Szoreny are so great together, and Ledaal Kes is so adorable.

Similarly, I always envision SWLiHN as wearing moe glasses, ship Ligier with most of the incarnae for the Foe Yay angle, and... I should stop before I reveal something really embarrassing.
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Similarly, I ...ship Ligier with most of the incarnae for the Foe Yay angle...
Humorously enough, in my Infernals game, one of the PCs was led to where Ligier had been hiding out from Malfeas by none other than the Maiden of Endings.

Together they cooked up a recipe for an N/A-rated weapon to replace Abbadon's original idea of a grand daiklave with a Total Annihilation-like effect; the new version will clean up shadowlands, but will require the PCs to find Soul Mirror and kill the Lover Clad in Raiment of Tears with it, but there's always an ending...
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Well, it's not just Luna. I always remember the creation of Creation as "Lesbian BDSM between Gaia and Cytherea," though I don't remember where I heard that description.
Which one was the dom though? >.>
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Gaia, obviously. "Who's your mistress? Who owns your motes? That's right, dump a kilomote right here, baby."
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I don't think it's really fair to call Gaia "gay", considering she, like almost every other Primordial, has male and female jouten and souls. Cytherea presumably had male and female components as well.

And Luna can freely switch between male, female and anything in between, too.
Really? I don't recall any Primordial ever being referred to as having more than one gender.

Not that it makes attempts to grade sentient geography on the Kinsey scale any less ridiculous, mind. They seem much more likely to enter into relationships as dictated by their mythos.
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I believe I found the thread responsible for starting this interesting discussion: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?...stions-(help!-!)
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Seriously though, applying standard train of thought to the primordials (and by extension Luna and the rest of the Incarnae) is a wasted endeavor.
Nah. There are some constants, like Malfeas, Isidoros, and Qaf always being male.

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This is actually canon. Each Primordial self-identifies as one gender in particular, regardless of how their jouten are equipped.
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If it's absolute infinity, then why do Raksha come to Creation? Why are Raksha the only inhabitants of the Wyld that we know of ? Why don't we have an infinite amount of Wyld creatures coming to Creation ?
GWM states that Raksha themselves don't know what lured them to Creation. There is alluded that Creation have some sort of pull on the surrounding Wyld. Unshaped infected with curiosity about this pull, being as wishy-washy as they are compared to opposite side of too stiff Primordials, do the moth-fly-after-flame routine.

Why only Raksha ? Because Raksha live on the border between Creation and Pure Chaos where Unshaped form. Deep Wyld, Middlemarches and Bordermarches are all what was Creation but was torn-off from the Loom of Fate in greater and smaller degree.

Only Raksha show up probably because authorsSamsara say so. Or perhaps Luna does her job and Lolnoes other things from creeping in ? It is written that Daystar snacks on Wyld inhabitants on daily basis.

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Do You understand that this contradicts itself ?
IF Wyld isn't absolute infinity it can't be infinite possibility. This is similar subtle difference between Primordials and Yozis. First ones are unimaginable Titans that rose off the Wyld. By their own indomitable will. Second ones are hollow shells crippled by Solars to fit human understanding and become conquered monsters.
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