Medieval Werewolf II - Now With 50% Less Seers

[Sir Ebonwolf]

I think imma gonna die

[Sir Ebonwolf]

I didn't get night action results last night... i was voided the night before, does that carry over? i did already miss my night actions then as well though...

Bill was a wolf though the sorceress (i was told he was a wolf)

Pirate monk came as good for me a while ago but I'm a little suspicious... maybe...

Anyway we will see if we can get our night results

[Tom the Mime]

Reading this again makes me feel that Istari is probably telling the truth about his role (at least somewhat).

Originally Posted by Zar Peter

No, I didn't post a list, just a few hints because I didn't want to come out completely blatant. Now is the time to show my cards.

Ramsus was the Torturer, he was hanged on day 1.
The Grimmace was the Masked Role Seer, hanged on day 2
The great void was not seen on day 3 (I was voided)
No one was lynched on day 4 (which was very frustrating, when you read my QT look for a few damn, that was day 4 )
And finally Vesth was the Rogue, stomped over by a villager mob on day 5

Don't ask me what the Torturer can do, I was only told that there is a role in the game who could verify that.

[Saposhiente]

Istari is probably telling the truth; that doesn't mean he's innocent.

[Tom the Mime]

I know that but my main suspicions for Istari were based on the timing of his claim (it didn't add much info and he already had a relatively believed claim) and how strong/versatile the claimed role could become at endgame (if Pengi would include a role like that). If he can get a scry, I'd lean towards town because I remember reading that Pengi didn't want to have a crazy number of possible wolf QTs. I think it was the argument against having a random wolf get the kill each night.

@Ebonwolf - voids are generally just for that night. Just to clarify, last night did you forget to put actions in or did you get voided again?

[Zar Peter]

Well, Bill was The Sorceress and on team wolf.

Point at The Crash Man... what did he say is his role?

[Gray Mage]

What do we know about usourselves&we?

[Keledrath]

Crash claimed redirect. I am a kind of suspicious of him, since every attempt we've made to test his power resulted in one of the involved party's being dead/otherwise unable to confirm.

&we claimed the Grave-Keeper. Get the roles from the night kills.

[Tom the Mime]

&we claimed the night kill equivalent of the gravemaker. I can't remember but I think Ebonwolf or Istari might have verified him. No confirmation of alignment though.

The Crash Man claimed a a night action of forcing one player to target another and trusted people verified his power. I am suspicious of his alignment given some of his actions and the power could easily be a wolf one.

This may also be wrong, but I'm taking the narration to read that there is probably only a single wolf (or at least no networked wolves right now) left so any claims which could have just been coordinated wolves are considerably more trusted if both players are still alive (depending on the power, alignment may still be in doubt).

Also, still with the single wolf assumption, the wolf is either Matthias or a voider (or at least can void) given Ebonwolf was voided the night before last and Matthias's post regarding bill for the same night:

Originally Posted by Matthias2207

Was he supposed to void me last night? Because I can confirm he did.

Shows either two voiders flying around that night (or Matthias is lying) and a townie voiding Matthias or Ebonwolf that night would've just been stupid.

My main suspect list is The Crash Man, Bladescape and Matthias. I'd also like Istari to say who he scried last night and Ebonwolf to clarify if he was in fact voided last night.

[Sir Ebonwolf]

well, i sent in to scry zar and mark the crash man but pengi said i had failed to send... maybe i got ninjad but i didn't think so.

i'm awaiting a response about that from pengi

[PirateMonk]

Saposhiente was scried. Anyone want to claim responsibility?

[usourselves&we]

The possibilities of the Sapo scry would be:
Matthias looking at him all funny
or Istari having taken the scry from Internet Flea

So Istari, the defiler of corpses, what do you have to say, did you do this?

[Matthias2207]

No, it was me.
Sapo scried as the Grave-Maker. So now we know that he isn't.

[Keledrath]

Not really, because according to PM, you did scry him accurately.

[The Crash Man]

Actually, my ability DID get proved a while back. I redirected a scry onto a suspect and it turned out he was indeed of evil alignment.

As for my allegiance, I've been working my rear off to try and help the town for the whole game so far. If I am a wolf, I'm a crap one.

[Matthias2207]

Originally Posted by The Crash Man

If I am a wolf, I'm a crap one.

Or a devious one...

[The Crash Man]

Originally Posted by Matthias2207

Or a devious one...

If I'm a devious werewolf I'd be enacting my own plans behind the scenes. Besides, I'll be the first to admit I literally have no idea what I'm doing. This is one of my first games of Werewolf, and frankly I'm amazed I lasted this long.

If you kill me, you're killing a potential buffer against wolf abilities. Because I can just redirect them to somewhere harmless. Hell, if I have a feeling who the wolf is, I can redirect their kill and finish myself off so you can all live. I'm your emergency shielding. And you don't mess with the emergency shielding.

[Tom the Mime]

@Bookboy: Who did yo

What do people think of "there's one remaining wolf who is very probably a voider (or bookboy boosted bill who had a void as part of his power)" theory from the narrations and the two voiders a couple of nights ago? Details on why are in my previous post.
If people agree then it narrows things down a lot. If people agree, I'd work with the assumption that Istari is good because it'd be fairly trivial to disprove if it's wrong. Logic as follows:

If Istari is town, PirateMonk and Sapo/Flabort are also town through scries. PirateMonk has effectively confirmed Matthias as a fool and hence not a voider. Gray Mage is solid as a mason and if Ebonwolf was a wolf, we'd be screwed anyway. Looking through the old info, Zar Peter and &we seem fairly solid with claims and hence aren't voiders (unless they collaborated with now dead wolves to appear to have switched roles. Crash seems semi-confirmed role-wise by Ebonwolf.

This leaves Bladescape, myself and The Crash Man (kinda) as possible wolf voiders as unconfirmed and Bookboy as a possibility with boosting a voider (Bill) a couple of nights ago. Given the powers blade and I claimed, if the two of us are telling the truth, we can take down one of the others along with us during the day so it wouldn't take long to clear the list. If town hasn't won by the time the list is cleared (and the initial assumption is solid), Istari is very probably evil and gets lynched. We can always make adjustments if Ebonwolf gets a scry through but if there is a voider left (which is one of the central assumptions), I don't like his chances of getting another scry.

Thoughts?

[Tom the Mime]

Forgot to delete the partial question at bookboy. I'd also like to add that if anyone knows they were boosted by bookboy on the night in question where both ebonwolf and matthias said they were baned, come forward and he can be taken off the list.

[bladescape]

So....

So far as my notes contain. Tom the Mime was confirmed by Rune. And only Rune?

I admit, the point is slightly hypocritical, since Rune also confirmed me, but I think I also recall something about a Daybane. If I'm right, I'd like to recall a Daybane on Rune, the night Ebon scried him.

(If my info is incorrect, I'd like to point out I stayed up 'till 5AM last night. )

[Istari]

Actually I decided to check out Tom last night.
Tom the mime, the Blackguard be.
The King's protector now is he.

Looks like his claim checks out.

[Tom the Mime]

Guys, we need some votes quickly or we'll have a no lynch which I think we'd all agree as being bad. And blade, I was telling the truth but I was a little surprised my name hadn't come up with more suspicion before given the circumstances.

[PirateMonk]

Bladescape seems most suspicious so far. Has Gray Mage been confirmed yet?

[usourselves&we]

Originally Posted by PirateMonk

Has Gray Mage been confirmed yet?

Fairly sure that he has been confirmed as mason (by way of knowing the others names, and possibly a scry on him) and as Zar said the Bunny was the non-town mason, so yeah Gray Mage is town.

[Zar Peter]

Ok, I believe bladescape, Tom The Mime is checked out by Istari, The Crash Man sounds serious... actually I have trouble to believe that in a blind game there is a fool role.

Is Matthias2207 cleared out or should I do that?

Oh, and The Crash Man is unpointed.

[Zar Peter]

Ok, I believe bladescape, Tom The Mime is checked out by Istari, The Crash Man sounds serious... actually I have trouble to believe that in a blind game there is a fool role.

Is Matthias2207 cleared out or should I do that?

Oh, and The Crash Man is unpointed.

Sorry, the post above was a result of the heat here in Vienna

[bladescape]

Since he's the other suspicion then me, Matthias.

Though really, me dying will probably do just as much, as I can kill him with me.

Sorry Tom the Mime, but my reasons for suspecting you were quite legit. I'm glad you've been cleared though.

[Matthias2207]

If we're just going to try to survive, bladescape, I have no choice.

[Keledrath]

Originally Posted by Tom the Mime

Forgot to delete the partial question at bookboy. I'd also like to add that if anyone knows they were boosted by bookboy on the night in question where both ebonwolf and matthias said they were baned, come forward and he can be taken off the list.

When did I say I boosted bill? I said I was voided a few nights ago. I've been boosting Gnomish (The Silent, aka baner, gets double bane if my power is successful) since about night 3 when I figured out her role. And it has worked at least once, I think day6-7/night5-6, when Gnomish confirmed to have received a second bane.

[Tom the Mime]

Originally Posted by Bookboy

When did I say I boosted bill? I said I was voided a few nights ago. I've been boosting Gnomish (The Silent, aka baner, gets double bane if my power is successful) since about night 3 when I figured out her role. And it has worked at least once, I think day6-7/night5-6, when Gnomish confirmed to have received a second bane.

I didn't say that you did boost bill (but you would lie if you had), just that was possible and that if the earlier assumption held, yours was one of the few roles which could help mechanically cause the two voids that night (night 9) if Istari was good. Most other players have had their alignment confirmed by Ebonwolf or Istari (and the voids would be stupid if done by town) and others seem to have roles confirmed which make it mechanically impossible for them to contribute to the voids. On the list, you're the least likely to have done so but you're still on the list.
If people agreed the initial assumption was valid then the aim was to go through the list with lynches and scries from Istari (if Ebonwolf doesn't die he should probably scry elsewhere to hedge our bets). If we get through the small list without finding a wolf, Istari is very probably a wolf and we lynch him. The list now has The Crash Man, Bladescape and Bookboy on it (apparently Istari scried me last night). If crash or blade get enough votes, I'm fine voting for either to push it over the line.