Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
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Also Slayer sucks lol
oh faulty
why do i love you so much again? oh right... you are incredibly frostbitten
also
if anyone wants to do a guest post on my blog this week that would be much appreciated (i'm going away and will be sans internet)
if interested just pm me
Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
Hey Faulty, you were into Botanist for a bit, yeah? My band's doing an album at the studio he recorded at. Want me to ask the engineer anything about 'em? Deafheaven and Grayceon have also recorded there, although I haven't a clue what their reputations are like 'round these parts.
We're gonna be working with the same engineer who did all of them, anything you guys want me to ask him about your favorite semi-obscure San Francisco black metal acts?
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Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
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Death is demo-era Beherit for children.
The words "toothless" and "boring" feature prominently in my assessment of Beherit, as with most Black Metal.
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first of all
that is a brilliant quote
second
i hate white wizzard so much
their bassist is a douchebag
there's a whole controversy going on around him in the socal classic metal revival scene. I foudn the whole story from one of my friends in Gypsyhawk
basically Wizzard's bassist is an idiot and is mean to everyone and not cool
First, here is the link to the song I was talking about, since it doesn't seem to have worked the first time. Stupid phone.
Second, there are two sides to every story. Since you mentioned Gypsyhawk, I'm going to assume you're talking in large part about the thing with Erik Kluiber. Somewhere in one of the three segments of this sequence of interviews. John Leon lists a series of grievances against Kluiber, among which was an alcohol problem which ultimately resulted in Kluiber showing up too drunk to function when the band was about to go on Bruce Dickinson's radio show. There's probably some truth to both sides. Leon is clearly a bit of a control freak, and probably isn't easy to work with, but I'm willing to bet that the whole revolving door band thing that White Wizzard has going has a lot to do with bad luck, not just the douchiness of their bassist.
Either way, it doesn't much matter to me. Over the Top was pure distilled happiness (it wasn't as good as the first Holy Grail album, but whatever), so my opinion on the people involved in making it doesn't really make any difference. To use another example, the fact that Varg is a racist, deranged, and generally deplorable excuse for a human being doesn't make his music bad (his music does that all on its own).
Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
First time posting here. But, hey.
I was wondering if Symphonic Metal was well talked about here. Personally, it's my favourate sub-genre of metal. Epica is a good band to have a listen to for that sort of thing.
Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
Agalloch was gooood. Their primary tour-mates are a two-peice drone/doom outfit called Taurus. To oversimplify, they resembled sped-up Sunn O))) if Steven O'Malley and Greg Anderson were female and had received strong visual influences from Alejandro Jodorowsky. They weren't particularly bad.
Agalloch's set list was something like
Spoiler
Limbs
Ghosts of the Midwinter Fires (the only Marrow track in the entire set)
Faustian Echoes
Falling Snow
Hallways of Enchanted Ebony
As Embers Dress the Sky
You Were But a Ghost in My Arms
In The Shadow of Our Pale Companion
Kneel to the Cross
Of Stone, Wind, and Pillor (thus began the pseudo-encore)
Our Fortress is Burning I
Our Fortress is Burning II: Bloodbirds
Lots of Ashes, which was great. Not very much of The Mantle, but to be fair In The Shadow is like 15 minutes long.
The Sol Invictus cover was great. I drove like 700 miles this weekend, but all in all (even though the venue's sound felt a bit off) it was pretty swell. Saulot and Godspit are catching this tour as well, yeah? Hopefully that goes well.
Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
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I was wondering if Symphonic Metal was well talked about here. Personally, it's my favourate sub-genre of metal. Epica is a good band to have a listen to for that sort of thing.
Heh, it's talked about, just not necessarily well talked about. But I like symph metal, so there. The common complaint seems to be that it de-emphasizes the "metal" part, and over-emphasizes the, well, "white woman wailing" part. But whatever. I still think Midnattsoll's Metamorphosis Melody is a brilliant album.
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To oversimplify, they resembled sped-up Sunn O))) if Steven O'Malley and Greg Anderson were female and had received strong visual influences from Alejandro Jodorowsky. They weren't particularly bad.
That actually sounds legitimately good. Maybe it's just because of your awesome descriptive skills
Also that set list looks so good. I'd have liked to see a bit more marrow, but no matter. It's not like I'm ever going to get to see them anyway, so whatever. :/
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Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
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Hey Faulty, you were into Botanist for a bit, yeah? My band's doing an album at the studio he recorded at. Want me to ask the engineer anything about 'em? Deafheaven and Grayceon have also recorded there, although I haven't a clue what their reputations are like 'round these parts.
We're gonna be working with the same engineer who did all of them, anything you guys want me to ask him about your favorite semi-obscure San Francisco black metal acts?
Did he record Bosse-de-Nage? What are those guys like? Do they listen to a load of Slint? Is the Botanist guy an eco-anarchist or something? Are the dudes from Deafheaven nice? What is it like recording black metal artists?
Also ask him if he'll give you free stuff and if he's single and interested in long distance dating. ;3
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The words "toothless" and "boring" feature prominently in my assessment of Beherit, as with most Black Metal.
Which Beherit and black metal did you listen to?
I think black metal is really metal's least metal genre, and is essentially (or at least was, and still is at its best) an avant-garde genre that combines the nature of metal, especially thrash and sometimes death, with aspects of punk, minimalist ambient and (in some ways particularly modern, with its atypical use of instruments and love of inverting notions of what music should sound like) classical. Add in the way its simplicity easily allows for the blending in of stuff like folk or other genres of metal and you have a pretty rich and odd tapestry that goes beyond simply metal. It's also in some ways a matter of a certain je ne sais quoi and affect. It's no wonder black metal and genres like noise, neofolk, industrial, dark ambient and other unconventional and dark modes of music.
This is where the problem some metal heads have with black metal, think. I'm always happy to help expand people's taste and views on the subject. There's plenty of black/death you might dig, Sam, especially if you like more rhythmic and amelodic music.
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Which Beherit and black metal did you listen to?
I listened to a few songs off of their first demo and the songs "Werewolf, Semen and Blood" and Blood" and "Morbid Rehearsals." "Morbid Rehearsals" linked off to a Morbid Angel song, and I'd sort of had enough at that point.
As for BM generally, I really do try to listen to most of the stuff that gets linked in this thread or comes up in metal conversation frequently. It just never quite clicks.
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I think black metal is really metal's least metal genre, and is essentially (or at least was, and still is at its best) an avant-garde genre that combines the nature of metal, especially thrash and sometimes death, with aspects of punk, minimalist ambient and (in some ways particularly modern, with its atypical use of instruments and love of inverting notions of what music should sound like) classical. Add in the way its simplicity easily allows for the blending in of stuff like folk or other genres of metal and you have a pretty rich and odd tapestry that goes beyond simply metal. It's also in some ways a matter of a certain je ne sais quoi and affect. It's no wonder black metal and genres like noise, neofolk, industrial, dark ambient and other unconventional and dark modes of music.
This is where the problem some metal heads have with black metal, think.
That's an accurate assessment. The genre has a reputation as satanist church burning extreme metal, but really it's just sort of hipstery.
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I'm always happy to help expand people's taste and views on the subject. There's plenty of black/death you might dig, Sam, especially if you like more rhythmic and amelodic music.
Blackened Death would probably be the best bet. Death Metal has a certain focus and aggression to it that could potentially balance out some of my main gripes with Black Metal. I'm open to suggestions if you'd like to try some. It's because of you that I got into Artillery after all, so our tastes can't be completely incompatible.
I should also try listening to Emperor again. I remember having an impression of them as just a lesser incarnation of Opeth, but those impressions can be unreliable, and they seem to get cited as a good gateway band a lot.
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Iron Maiden Y U NO TOUR EUROPE!
They'll cover most of the planet before this tour cycle is over. I'd expect them to be in Europe next year at the latest.
Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
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Did he record Bosse-de-Nage? What are those guys like? Do they listen to a load of Slint? Is the Botanist guy an eco-anarchist or something? Are the dudes from Deafheaven nice? What is it like recording black metal artists?
Also ask him if he'll give you free stuff and if he's single and interested in long distance dating. ;3
He did not record Bosse-de-Nage unless it's a secret that he's not telling me. The Botanist guy is a really good friend of his, and apparently the whole thing started as a psuedo-half-semi-ironic inside joke and spiraled very quickly. Also, aside from the three albums he has out, he's got three more unreleased ones he's sitting on. Apparently he just churns out material like no one's business.
Didn't talk about Deafheaven, will ask again tomorrow.
Generally it's bad manners to ask your recording engineer for free stuff; seeing as he puts up with me and the guitarist's frankly ridiculous and obtrusive coffee and cigarette consumption, I figure pushing our luck isn't a good idea.
Also, he lives in the warehouse the studio's in with his girlfriend. So I assume he has a girlfriend.
Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
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I should also try listening to Emperor again. I remember having an impression of them as just a lesser incarnation of Opeth, but those impressions can be unreliable, and they seem to get cited as a good gateway band a lot.
I'd suggest listening to Emperor's catalogue backwards. Hell, maybe you should actually start with Ihsahn's angL and work back from there.
Anywho, saw Agalloch for the first time. That knocks another one off of my fairly short 'before I die' list. They played a lot of songs I hoped they would ("Falling Snow", "In the Shadow of our Pale Companion", "Kneel to the Cross"), but no "Not Unlike the Waves" or anything off The White. Guess that just means I'll have to see them again some time.
And then I'm seeing Iron Maiden (for the first time as well) in a week. Another one to be off the list. Wait, am I gonna die soon?
Oh nevermind, I don't need to worry about that because Ulver's never coming here.
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Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
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Agalloch was gooood. Their primary tour-mates are a two-peice drone/doom outfit called Taurus. To oversimplify, they resembled sped-up Sunn O))) if Steven O'Malley and Greg Anderson were female and had received strong visual influences from Alejandro Jodorowsky. They weren't particularly bad.
Agalloch's set list was something like
Spoiler
Limbs
Ghosts of the Midwinter Fires (the only Marrow track in the entire set)
Faustian Echoes
Falling Snow
Hallways of Enchanted Ebony
As Embers Dress the Sky
You Were But a Ghost in My Arms
In The Shadow of Our Pale Companion
Kneel to the Cross
Of Stone, Wind, and Pillor (thus began the pseudo-encore)
Our Fortress is Burning I
Our Fortress is Burning II: Bloodbirds
Lots of Ashes, which was great. Not very much of The Mantle, but to be fair In The Shadow is like 15 minutes long.
The Sol Invictus cover was great. I drove like 700 miles this weekend, but all in all (even though the venue's sound felt a bit off) it was pretty swell. Saulot and Godspit are catching this tour as well, yeah? Hopefully that goes well.
Herpaderp, didn't see your comment earlier. Missed 98% of the opening act Pinkish Black. Came in and their vocalist was just growling "It tastes like blooooood" over and over in the mic and then their set ended. Taurus was alright. It was suitable music to go with the images going on behind them, but I doubt I'd ever listen to it by itself. And then Agalloch was better than I hoped they would be. Sorry to hear about the venue you saw them at, but the sound was fantastic here.
Setlist:
Spoiler
Falling Snow
The Watcher's Monolith
Faustian Echoes
Ghosts of the Midwinter Fires
I Am the Wooden Doors
You Were But a Ghost in My Arms
In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion
Kneel to the Cross
Encore:
Into the Painted Grey
Our Fortress is Burning
And I'm missing a song or two somewhere in there. So did they really just stop at OFiB II for you guys?
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Listen to everything Emperor did from their inception to 1995, then pretend the rest of it doesn't exist.
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Ignore everything Emperor ever did, and listen to Mortiis instead.
Equally absurd statements.
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They didn't just "stop" after Bloodbirds, but it's not like what happened afterwards was actually "The Grain." They just ****ed around with their pedals and amps while John started using the stage props (his incense burners, deer hooves, etc) on his guitar. It was good, though. Fun times.
That's an interesting set, though. The lack of Not Unlike The Waves in both lists is disheartening.
Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
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They didn't just "stop" after Bloodbirds, but it's not like what happened afterwards was actually "The Grain." They just ****ed around with their pedals and amps while John started using the stage props (his incense burners, deer hooves, etc) on his guitar. It was good, though. Fun times.
That's an interesting set, though. The lack of Not Unlike The Waves in both lists is disheartening.
Yeah, that's what they did here, too. Even though it wasn't actually 'The Grain', what Agalloch played after II served the same purpose musically, so I took it as a new (playable live) take on the idea and thus counted it as 'The Grain' when I added the show to setlist.fm. But seeing as how setlist.fm automatically put a 'First time ever played live' caption under it, I suppose no user on that site has interpreted it that way before... *shrug*
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Equally absurd statements.
NEVER
God the productions on Anthems and Prometheus are so terrible. And just... Ihsahn got too big for his breeches with Emperor after the first album and few EPs.
Re: Metal Thread VII: The Mosh Pit Don't Start 'Til We Walk In
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Yeah, that's what they did here, too. Even though it wasn't actually 'The Grain', what Agalloch played after II served the same purpose musically, so I took it as a new (playable live) take on the idea and thus counted it as 'The Grain' when I added the show to setlist.fm. But seeing as how setlist.fm automatically put a 'First time ever played live' caption under it, I suppose no user on that site has interpreted it that way before... *shrug*
Yeah, I get you. The thing is, I'm under the impression that the set ends that way regardless of whether the last song they play is Bloodbirds. The same basic principles apply when they play something like The Lodge (Dismantled), I would assume, so I just forwent trying to label it as an actual composition.
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Also. Faulty, I would suggest that Drone is less metal than Black Metal, but that's just nitpicking. Your point as a whole seems solid.
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Well, yeah. There exists very minimalist drone and very metal black metal, and the reverse is true. The distinction isn't especially important, I was just mentioning.
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Well, yeah. There exists very minimalist drone and very metal black metal, and the reverse is true. The distinction isn't especially important, I was just mentioning.
I actually thought about it afterwards, so I appreciate you bringing it up.
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A couple of other notes on Agalloch:
Unfortunately, Saulot, it doesn't appear that they've ever played The White live. Not under normal circumstances, at least. It makes sense, given that neither Aesop nor JWW actually contributed to the album AFAIK.
Also, it looks like Godspit is attending the final show of the tour. :3
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