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Old 05-25-2012, 11:47 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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For the discussion of Doctor Who.

First thread.
Second thread.

I'm planning on trying to keep a List of links to the many reviews in this first post, if people wish. (Currently includes Curly, Dr. Simon, Sunken Valley & Friv)

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If anyone thinks there should be any additional resources or whatever in this post, suggest them in-thread. Discussion may now resume!
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Reverse the polarity. Not Revese. For fullness it should be "Reverse the Polarity of the Neuron Flow" but you beat me to it so your call.

Copy paste from old thread.

Doctor Who series 7 episode one will premier at International TV festival. http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/august-aird...es-7-33719.htm

Based on Let's Kill Hitler (which did the same thing, premiering on the friday of the event and on TV next day), looking at an August 25th release.

5 episodes.
2 Moffat (number 1 and 5)
2 Chris Chibnall (number 2 and 4)
1 Toby Whithouse (number 3)

Only vauge details so far on plots. No finalised titles.
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Reverse the polarity. Not Revese. For fullness it should be "Reverse the Polarity of the Neuron Flow" but you beat me to it so your call.
I fail at speeling. I changed it to the full quote btw. I don't know why I used the shorter version (both were used on the show I believe)

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Doctor Who series 7 episode one will premier at International TV festival. http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/august-aird...es-7-33719.htm

Based on Let's Kill Hitler (which did the same thing, premiering on the friday of the event and on TV next day), looking at an August 25th release.

5 episodes.
2 Moffat (number 1 and 5)
2 Chris Chibnall (number 2 and 4)
1 Toby Whithouse (number 3)

Only vauge details so far on plots. No finalised titles.
August? That's awesome
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My thread! You stole it!

Also, neutron. Not neuron. Neutrons are fundamental particles, neurons are...something to do with brains I think.

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It's a poor taste because the Cybus Industry Cyberman look radically different from all the minor variations found amongst the Mondasian Cybermen (excluding their first appearance but that was eventually explained) and as far I'm aware no other past enemy who was brought back had their appearance radically changed to such a degree. Yes, they were updated to look nicer, but they still had the basic feel and look of their older counterparts.
I... don't see how that makes it poor taste.
And, I don't see it as that radical a change. The same basic features are still there, just, as you said, updated to look nicer.

Now, the Silurians, that was a radical change, though they did give a brief handwave explanation for it.

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Now if it ends up being, or has been, explained that the Cybus Industry Cybermen either ended up becoming or influencing the Mondasian Cybermen and thus is another piece of fall out from the Time War, that'd make utter sense and be another nice addition to the expanding Who Lore.
...nah, that'd just be kinda stupid, imo.
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Hi, there is one person you may have forgotten to add the reviews of: myself.

I know this is difficult. This is because I didn't leave records of my reviews like CKG and DS did. If you want to make a record you can do. Alternatively I can go back through my records (all reviews were made in Thread II, so Who posted what?) and back track everything. I want some of my more rant like reviews excluded from the record. I am ashamed of them. Preferably the ones from the recent episodes (2011 series: so LKH, NT, GWW, GC, CT, WORS and DWW) are the only ones on there. Also some of the more controlled rants. Your choice to put them on there, I know I'm not the most well liked reviewer around here but I'm one of only 3 so that counts for something, right? If you want I'll make a record but I don't want to waste time making one and then have people say "no, your reviews are inappopriate".
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Hi, there is one person you may have forgotten to add the reviews of: myself.

I know this is difficult. This is because I didn't leave records of my reviews like CKG and DS did. If you want to make a record you can do. Alternatively I can go back through my records (all reviews were made in Thread II, so Who posted what?) and back track everything. I want some of my more rant like reviews excluded from the record. I am ashamed of them. Preferably the ones from the recent episodes (2011 series: so LKH, NT, GWW, GC, CT, WORS and DWW) are the only ones on there. Also some of the more controlled rants. Your choice to put them on there, I know I'm not the most well liked reviewer around here but I'm one of only 3 so that counts for something, right? If you want I'll make a record but I don't want to waste time making one and then have people say "no, your reviews are inappopriate".
Are these the links you'd like in the first post?


I didn't include you initially because they were harder to find ans hadn't looked till now, and was unsure if you would want to be linked.
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Continuing my plan to post what I think to be the highlights of every season of Doctor Who, old and new.

For each series I choose 2 or 3 of what I consider to be the best stories, and a selection of also-rans. "Stories" may comprise any number of actual episodes (somewhere between 1-14, typically 4 or 6). Older Who is nearly always episodic, with NuWho most episodes are self-contained. Feel free to expand on my brief comments, agree, disagree etc. This is, after all, purely subjective.

Classic Who (Doctors One to Eight)
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Thanks Androgeus for the links in the top post!

And so onto Tennant's second series on the role, and a new companion. Martha starts out well - there's a nice moment in the first episode, Smith and Jones, where Martha has calmly worked out what is going on whilst her medical student friend has gone to pieces. The Doctor chooses Martha to come with him and, almost with a casual arrogance, dismisses her friend.
Pity that they decided to lumber her with unrequited love for The Doctor as her mooning over him gets tedious, as does his evident sense of loss about Rose. Whilst it is a bold move to give more focus to The Doctor's feelings for his companions, I personally think they take it too far to the detriment of other aspects of the show.

The Christmas Specials, by the way: I am considering them, as part of the series that they precede. In this case, The Runaway Bride. Catherine Tate is a surprise in the role, but more on her next time. I love the way, in the scene where she is trapped in a speeding taxi with a psychotic robot driver, she says "Santa's a robot!" with a mix of disbelief, resignation ("the way my day's been going, of course he is") and accusation ("...and somehow it's all your fault!")

Series Three (2007)
Tenth Doctor/Martha

Blink – Beautifully crafted and, at the time, unusual for featuring the Doctor only as an incidental character. The Weeping Angels are a masterfully scary creation, and this is the episode that gives us "wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey". (My Obligatory Moffat Episode )

Human Nature/Family Of Blood – An interesting story with explorations of jingoism vs. patriotism and attitudes to class and race at the beginning of the 20th century. Stories where the hero suddenly becomes reluctant to be the hero can be quite frustrating, as with this one, I found (I enjoyed Martha's frustration with "John Smith" - "Don't just stand there, run! God, you're rubbish as a human!"). I didn't like the Doctors super-powered punishments at the end, smacked too much of the "cult of the Doctor" for my liking. The moment by the cenotaph was just on the right side of bathos.

Honourable Mentions
The Shakespeare Code – Silly but fun. What more needs to be said? Well, if you insist; some brief and humourous considerations on historical attitude to race (with Shakespeare's fumbling attempts to find the right words to describe Martha), and the idea of an alien technology based on language is really just an excuse for "magic spells" but is nonetheless an interesting and audacious idea.

Utopia/The Sound Of Drums – Love Derek Jacobi in the first of these, then John Sims steals it in the second. Ideally, of course, you need to complete the trilogy with Last Of The Time Lords, but this is easily the weakest of the three, marred by another deus ex machina (as with The Parting of the Ways, pretty much literally a deus ex machina). The actual storylines are fairly slight, but the villain really makes these episodes. As he should.
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Thanks Androgeus for the links in the top post!
Nae problem. I've just updated it to included Series 3

The only episode I can think of that you didn't mention that I enjoyed was 42.
I do think the Dalek two parter should get some kind of medal for biology fail. If it had used something like brain wave patterns it would have reach my level for willingness to believe (which I will admit isn't that high). But no, they went with DNA. and somehow made DNA transferable via electricity/super duper radiation/something. and made me have to ruin a certain scene in Avengers for a friend.

Btw I believe the Doctor Who/Star Trek:TNG crossover is out tomorrow, I am most like going to purchase it. Any one here interested in a potential review/summery thing?
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*archival and introductory snip*

Series Three (2007)
Tenth Doctor/Martha

Blink – Beautifully crafted and, at the time, unusual for featuring the Doctor only as an incidental character. The Weeping Angels are a masterfully scary creation, and this is the episode that gives us "wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey". (My Obligatory Moffat Episode )

Human Nature/Family Of Blood – An interesting story with explorations of jingoism vs. patriotism and attitudeas to class and race at the beginning of the 20th century. Stories where the hero suddenly becomes reluctant to be the hero can be quite frustrating, as with this one, I found (I enjoyed Martha's frustration with "John Smith" - "Don't just stand there, run! God, you're rubbish as a human!". I didn't like the Doctors super-powered punishments at the end, smacked too much of the "cult of the Doctor" for my liking. The moment by the cenotaph was just on the right side of bathos.

Honourable Mentions
Shakespeare Code – Silly but fun. What more needs to be said? Well, if you insist; some brief and humourous considerations on historical attitude to race (with Shakespeare's fumbling attempts to fin the right words to describe Martha), and the idea of an alien technology based on language is really just an excuse for "magic spells" but is nonetheless an interesting and audacious idea.

Utopia/The Sound Of Drums – Love Derek Jacobi in the first of these, then John Sims steals it in the second. Ideally, of course, you need to complete the trilogy with Last Of The Time Lords, but this is easily the weakest of the three, marred by another deus ex machina (as with The Parting of the Ways, pretty much literally a deus ex machina). The actual storylines are fairly slight, but the villain really makes these episodes. As he should.
Firstly, congrats on becoming a . . . first post linked reviewer . . . doesn't fit right.
A reviewer/recommender of note?
Whatever.
Congrats either way!

So I do agree with you on your choices. I saw your cheeky shout there . . . As you probably gathered given my great rhapsodising. These are the ones I'd list as best of the season too, although there really wasn't all that much wrong with it as a whole.
Aside from THAT ONE SERIAL.
I think my ranking would actually put 'Human Nature'/'Family of Blood' at the top, partly because it's a character study/character driven, and we all know how much I love me some character driven things.
Even so, it is a really close call so I'd probably cheat and make it a joint spot.

I'll be posting part 7/8 tomorrow. I'd have posted it earlier, but honestly? I've kind of been being lazy to get over exams, and hanging with friends enjoying an actual week of summery warm weather with actual sunlight.

Dr. Simon, whenever you're ready. Although not the 4th June as I'm off to a UK mini-meetup for the Jubilee, and then the evening's taken over by a subject dinner. Which probably means I'll be free at ten.

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@Androgeus: seeing as you are buying this anyway (I think you are, it sounds like it) I will consider it a sin if you do not review it as well!
But seriously, I think it'd be cool for other people to pitch in and review Doctor Who in any medium. And a Star Trek:TNG/DOctor Who crossover is a thing geekgasms are made of. No. Seriously. How often have people debated who would win: Borg or Cybermen? This will settle it once and for all. 'Course we all know who wins eventually.
This can either go really well or terribly. And either way this would make a great review. The worst thing it could be is average or bland.
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The worst thing it could be is average or bland.
This is mostly likely

Btw the series of radio plays that's playing on radio 4 Extra just got awesome.
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Edit: thought I should actually name the story if anyone is interested in listening to it - Survival of the Fittest. While A Thousand Tiny Wings begins this trilogy of stories (concluded with Architects of History), it is a weaker story than Survival I believe. You don't even need it to be introduced to the companion of the piece anyway, as episode 1 of Survival is dedicated to her backstory.
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On 24th May, Blue Peter showed the winner of the Dr Who script to screen competition 2012 (a new contest which no one mentioned mainly because no one is 9-11). http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/cbbc/ep...ho_and_Rankin/

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On 24th May, Blue Peter showed the winner of the Dr Who script to screen competition 2012 (a new contest which no one mentioned mainly because no one is 9-11). http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/cbbc/ep...ho_and_Rankin/

This is different from the Albert Einstein + Ood one
WHAT THE HELL DID THEY DO TO BLUE PETER'S THEME TUNE?! DESECRATION!
Actually in general I can't believe what they've done to Blue Peter, it looks Godawful!

Now, because this was written by some ten-year-olds, I feel that I shouldn't review this, because they are only ten, and I spend enough time complaining about the writing of actual scriptwriters.
It just feels mean and kind of like bullying.

LIES!
'Course I'm reviewing it. Because I am a cold-hearted woman who rejoiced in the pain of others.

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Now, because this was written by some ten-year-olds, I feel that I shouldn't review this, because they are only ten, and I spend enough time complaining about the writing of actual scriptwriters.
It just feels mean and kind of like bullying.

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'Course I'm reviewing it. Because I am a cold-hearted woman who rejoiced in the pain of others.

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I was going to say that the TARDIS having a specific 'adventure' setting was the best thing about the mini-episode.
I changed my mind.
Your review is the best thing about that mini episode (Mostly because I'm laughing so hard at the innuendo, but other bits as well).
And, yeah. I guess I get that they wanted to do something about the olympics, since it's a big British pride thing, and so is Who, but they already did it... 3 years ago? 4 years ago? Having the Doctor encounter the same olympic torch twice seems a bit crowded. It's worse than having aliens invade London every Christmas for straining the credulity. So, I don't think much of the basic premise, let alone the execution.
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God I'm taking pedantry to a new level. I don't even know where these instincts come from, they just tell me something is wrong, and then it is wrong and I end up complaining!
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I totally didn't post this in the old thread by accident first. No siree I didn't.
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Koorly's Archive of Her Doctor Who Reviews:
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The only episode I can think of that you didn't mention that I enjoyed was 42.
"42" is okay, but it's mainly about whether or not the monster will be defeated (answer: yes) rather than character moments, which looking at my other choices seems to be what I like the best. Although there's quite a poignant moment where Martha is plummeting into the sun and there seems to be nothing anyone can do.

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I think my ranking would actually put 'Human Nature'/'Family of Blood' at the top, partly because it's a character study/character driven, and we all know how much I love me some character driven things.
Even so, it is a really close call so I'd probably cheat and make it a joint spot.
Ah, well, you see I just list them in chronological order, partly because often it is too close to call. Having re-watched those two eps recently I'd put them as probably the stand-out of the season. I particularly liked the acting from "Baines", and it was wierd seeing the actor playing a young Denis Thatcher in The Iron Lady.

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Dr. Simon, whenever you're ready. Although not the 4th June as I'm off to a UK mini-meetup for the Jubilee, and then the evening's taken over by a subject dinner. Which probably means I'll be free at ten.
So I guess the best way to do this would be to do some kind of "simul-cast" and use a chat program as we go, unless you have any better ideas.

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[spoiler]This isn't even five minutes long, so I'll be very quick. For once.
I've just been re-watching the original Hitchhikers Guide TV series, and the first thing that came into my head upon reading your review was the voice of Marvin, saying "Sounds awful". Also an Alexei Sayle sketch where he did a parody of Gilbert and George reviewing the artwork of some primary school children ("Your work is tedious and lacks originality").
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Every time I read one of CurlyKitGirl's Invasion reactions, I'm reminded of a clip I've seen of the second Doctor that I find terribly relevant:

Zoe: [Uncomfortably] I'm beginning to wonder if this skirt is a bit too short.
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That said, I kinda wish you'd do more of the Eleven's episodes, though I guess you've already seen them all and thus there's less magic to be had. Still, your style does add a new layer of charm to the series.
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Ah, well, you see I just list them in chronological order, partly because often it is too close to call. Having re-watched those two eps recently I'd put them as probably the stand-out of the season. I particularly liked the acting from "Baines", and it was wierd seeing the actor playing a young Denis Thatcher in The Iron Lady.
Never noticed that, always thought you listed them in preference. And Baines is just so cool. ^.^
Willing to go hand-on-heart and swear that that two-parter is still one of the strongest serials in all of Nu Who.

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Nope. So we're probably using livestream/justin.tv/similar yes? You want to set it up? Livestream does have its own chat. Unless we have someone who's actually tech savvy and knows a better way to do this.
Just PM me and we'll set up a date and time.
I'm basically free forever, so if we start in the evening that means we can watch as many episodes as we want.

Oh, and considering this format would basically be me liveblogging something blind I'll probably do a longer rambly thing in my usual post-watch format.

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I've just been re-watching the original Hitchhikers Guide TV series, and the first thing that came into my head upon reading your review was the voice of Marvin, saying "Sounds awful". Also an Alexei Sayle sketch where he did a parody of Gilbert and George reviewing the artwork of some primary school children ("Your work is tedious and lacks originality").

I reminded someone of H2G2? That is so cool.

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Every time I read one of CurlyKitGirl's Invasion reactions, I'm reminded of a clip I've seen of the second Doctor that I find terribly relevant:

Zoe: [Uncomfortably] I'm beginning to wonder if this skirt is a bit too short.
Doctor: Oh, I wouldn't worry about it, dear. After all... just look at Jamie's!
That is a thing that happens?
For real?

They are so doing this on purpose.

Although this does suggest that I'm becoming more than a bit of a slash-obsessed fangirl. Curses.

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That said, I kinda wish you'd do more of the Eleven's episodes, though I guess you've already seen them all and thus there's less magic to be had. Still, your style does add a new layer of charm to the series.
When I first started out reviewing Doctor Who I'd just finished rewatching the first and second season for the first time since they'd aired and wanted to vent massively about Rose.
A lot.
Then I started blind reviewing my way through Nu Who in order. The only reason I've reviewed the Eleventh Doctor episodes I did is because they were being aired on TV and thought I'd liveblog them.
The exception there is 'The Lodger' because I was informed that 'Closing Time' was a direct sequel and needed to be seen.
I'm about ten episodes (although some of those are specials and basically movies) away from starting Eleven's run proper.
All of which I missed during their first run on TV for reasons I explained when I first started blind reviewing Doctor Who. I will get to them. Eventually.

I have a schedule - well, I know what episodes/serials I'm reviewing next.

'The Invasion' Part 8/8
'Remembrance of the Daleks' Part 1/2
'Remembrance of the Daleks' Part 2/2
Season four of Nu Who including specials

EVENTUALLY 'Genesis of the Daleks'. I may have to resort to using an online thing rather than my DVDs because someone has stolen them and will not admit that they have!
And probably some time in the next week 'Talons of Wen-Chiang' which looks to be amusingly racist and all sorts of fun things. I'm ready whenever Dr. Simon is.

Problem is that I only recently finished my Finals and had a very heavy workload prior to . . . last week.
And, as you may very well definitely have noticed, I am easily distractable, so get sidetracked a lot.

Speaking of: what about my tangent-filled style is charming?
Because I'm feeling a little down today and need some cheering up, so some compliment on reviewing style/comments on 'The Invasion' Part 7/8 would just be really nice.
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Speaking of: what about my tangent-filled style is charming?
Because I'm feeling a little down today and need some cheering up, so some compliment on reviewing style/comments on 'The Invasion' Part 7/8 would just be really nice.
First off, the energy. It's infectious.

Secondly, you look at it from a very different perspective than I. Reading your renditions of Doctor Who (particularly ones I've seen) is like watching the show through someone else's eyes. Critics are fairly common, but your responses are less focused on criticism and more on reaction - all the thoughts and tangents and shocks that the episode bring to your mind. This makes it feel like an entirely new experience.

Finally, the nostalgia value (for the ones I've seen). I've got a pretty good (if unreliable) memory, so I can see the episode in question play in front of my eyes despite not having it available at the moment.

As for the quip about the kilt, yeah, it's a real thing that actually happens. I saw it on a youtube video with a title like "Top 10 Doctor Who Quotes" or "Funny Doctor Who Quotes".

It also included another gem from Two:
Companion: What are you planning to do? (While watching a monster from cover)
Doctor: Bung a rock at it.
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Are these the links you'd like in the first post?


I didn't include you initially because they were harder to find ans hadn't looked till now, and was unsure if you would want to be linked.
Yes they are. Sorry for not saying sooner.

In June I will be doing "Good as Gold" review. Because Curly did it so its official territory. This review will be... different to the others. Don't expect a tangent or any major change to the style. But yeah different.

Also, I don't see why Fear Her is so hated. Love and Monsters, I get. Black Spot, I get. Boom Town, I get. Narnia, I get Colin Baker, I get. Every Season Finale ever, I get. What's wrong with Fear Her, It had no specific special effect fails or plot holes, it was scary, there weren't any mary sues or character de-railment. What was wrong?

@Simon: One could say that Fathers Day and Family of Blood (not it's brother though) are cheapened due to their similarity with each other (namely, a siege dominating most of it, probably working better without a monster (as per Father's Days initial intention), Same Writer and a character procrasinating over an action which will save the day at the cost of his life (which makes the whole thing tedious as he is putting the world at risk and we know he will do it). What do you think?

@Thufir: 6 years, Fear Her is 6 Years old. 5 years and 11 months at exactly the date that ep aired to be precise. Thats a while.
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I believe Fear Her is felt to be corny and overdone.
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Well, part of why we won't agree on Fear Her is you said "it was scary" at which point I started chuckling and shaking my head. No, no it wasn't. The scariest thing about it was a door was shaking while a hilariously cartoony villain was shouting something behind it.

The little girl was a boring actress, the story was uninteresting, and it was just dull. So, dull. Also, very cheesy, with the Doctor running in the Olympics for reasons that still elude me. And did I mention it was dull?
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Hey CurlyKitGirl, it seems like the link to your review of Blink directs to a different episode. Might want to take a look at that.
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Hey CurlyKitGirl, it seems like the link to your review of Blink directs to a different episode. Might want to take a look at that.
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Also, I don't see why Fear Her is so hated. Love and Monsters, I get. Black Spot, I get. Boom Town, I get. Narnia, I get Colin Baker, I get. Every Season Finale ever, I get. What's wrong with Fear Her, It had no specific special effect fails or plot holes, it was scary, there weren't any mary sues or character de-railment. What was wrong?
For me, a mix of reasons.

1) There's nothing wrong, in itself, of the concept of drawing that come to life (and/or turning life into drawings) - see the 1988 film Picturehouse for a better (and creepier) interpretation - but I think it stretches even the dodgy pseudoscience of Doctor Who too far into pure fantasy.

2) Too many concepts squeezed into one story. Lonely alien joins with lonely child (see ET), helps her collect "playmates" - nothing wrong with this idea. This is then coupled to the drawings come to life/life turns to drawings idea (which is it? One or other would have been better, not both). This is also then coupled to the "scary father" idea (again, see Paperhouse) which is given short shrift and doesn't really go anywhere except to provide a sudden burst of suspense at the end. The whole concept is revisited in Night Terrors, which is still less than satisfactory but maybe done a little better.

3) All of those elements could have worked with more careful story construction, but the bit that really made my teeth hurt was the Olympic torch sequence, too much of the "Cult of the Doctor" that grew up around Ten. What next, How the Doctor Saved Christmas? (Well, okay, maybe we do get that one many times....)

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@Simon: One could say that Fathers Day and Family of Blood (not it's brother though) are cheapened due to their similarity with each other (namely, a siege dominating most of it, probably working better without a monster (as per Father's Days initial intention), Same Writer and a character procrasinating over an action which will save the day at the cost of his life (which makes the whole thing tedious as he is putting the world at risk and we know he will do it). What do you think?
I wouldn't say that a superficial similarity like that necessarily "cheapens" the stories. A Monster Siege has been a staple Who storyline since the days of the Second Doctor (e.g. The Abominable Snowmen, The Moonbase, The Web of Fear, Fury From the Deep, The Ark in Space, The Seeds of Doom, The Robots of Doom, Horror at Fang Rock), and pretty much all Who stories are treading water until the Doctor comes up with a solution.

Because we know that the Doctor will pull through in the end, a seige story shouldn't make this the focus. Individual moments of suspense are fine - I mean, all Bond films work this way - but what, for me, makes a Doctor Who story memorable are the character moments, be they light and humourous or deep and inciteful, or preferably both.

So Father's Day and Family of Blood differ because they are about different things. Father's Day explores an aspect of time travel paradox not often (if ever, I think) addressed on the show, and it examines Rose's relationship with her father. What happens when someone you think of as a hero turns out to be just an ordinary bloke with a line in failed businesses? And the problem isn't solved by the Doctor with some fancy technobabble but by Pete's sacrifice (and redemption?). By removing the Doctor as the source of the solution, the story removes the inevitability common to such stories. And it turns that concept further on its head. The Doctor is doing all he can to find an answer that he knows probably won't work, purely to save Rose the pain of losing her father again - he knows Pete's death is the only way to solve the paradox. This in turn not only demonstrates the Doctor's compassionate side but viewers who have been paying attention will know that Nine knows what it is like to lose family (Time War?) and also that he is "adventuring" to hide the hurt that comes from caring.

Family of Blood, on the other hand, not only gives the Doctor the dilemma of choosing an "ordinary life" with a woman he loves, or to save everyone and return to his troubled, lonely, dangerous old life but it provides some beautiful period details and (again) an examination of the nature of heroism. Most of the characters are well-drawn and three-dimensional; the Headmaster for example comes across as a pompous and rule-bound man but he is also an old soldier, and brave (if foolish) to the last. Two conversations sum up the attitudes of the story to me - Baines (as Brother-of-Mine) asking the Headmaster if the boys will thank him for turning them into soldiers, given what is in store for them in the trenches of the Great War, and Jessica Hynes' character's disbelief that Martha (as a woman and as a woman-of-colour) could have medical knowledge. The Family of Blood are almost incidental under the weight of all this, but they provide a great mirror for the attitudes and prejudices of the human characters. Which is what the monster in a truly good Who story should do.

Which is all to say that, no, I don't think it cheapens either story because what you describe is really the barest bones upon which the rest is hung.

Regarding "Good as Gold", by the way, check out the winning entries in the "500 Words" competition by contrast, particularly the winner of the Under-9s category. That's written by a 7 year old! It's on-topic because it's read by Catherine Tate.
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[quote=CurlyKitGirl;13318513]I have a schedule - well, I know what episodes/serials I'm reviewing next.

'The Invasion' Part 8/8
'Remembrance of the Daleks' Part 1/2
'Remembrance of the Daleks' Part 2/2
Season four of Nu Who including specials

EVENTUALLY 'Genesis of the Daleks'. I may have to resort to using an online thing rather than my DVDs because someone has stolen them and will not admit that they have!
And probably some time in the next week 'Talons of Wen-Chiang' which looks to be amusingly racist and all sorts of fun things. I'm ready whenever Dr. Simon is.
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Speaking of: what about my tangent-filled style is charming?
Because I'm feeling a little down today and need some cheering up, so some compliment on reviewing style/comments on 'The Invasion' Part 7/8 would just be really nice.
Well, for starters, you do have interesting insights into like, subtext, or themes, or whatever things highbrow critics are supposed to look for. But, despite getting at least a bit into analysis, you never lose sight of the basic point that it's supposed to be enjoyable to watch before anything else. You're still coming at it from the perspective of a fan of the show, and speak as such - pointing out the moments that are especially funny, or epicly cool, or really poignant.
And, that's basically the core of it. The conjunction of those two points of view. Actually, hang on, I already came up with this a while back:

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Continuing my plan to post what I think to be the highlights of every season of Doctor Who, old and new.

For each series I choose 2 or 3 of what I consider to be the best stories, and a selection of also-rans. "Stories" may comprise any number of actual episodes (somewhere between 1-14, typically 4 or 6). Older Who is nearly always episodic, with NuWho most episodes are self-contained. Feel free to expand on my brief comments, agree, disagree etc. This is, after all, purely subjective.

Classic Who (Doctors One to Eight)
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Some fairly lengthy analyses for me this time around. I've included the "year of specials" in this batch as well, mainly because not many of them got through the Dr. S Quality Filter.

Of all of Ten's companions, I like Donna the most. Catherine Tate is a revelation in the role, showing a capacity for serious acting as well as comedy. Tate and Tennant guest-presented a range of TV and radio over this period and there's a good chemistry between the two actors which carries across into the characters. I like how Donna is not afraid of the Doctor and on many occasions helps anchor him in the human aspects of the situation (for example, Fires of Pompeii or Planet of the Ood). It's a shame that previous companions keep cropping up during this series as they dilute it somewhat.

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Tenth Doctor/Donna (2008-2010)

Fires of Pompeii – Another one of those stories that, really, is just a lot of fun, but manages to fit in some good dynamics between Doctor and companion concerning ethics and responsibility. There's a fun scene where Donna doesn’t take kindly to being sacrificed, and messing around with auto-translation, but also balanced by the way that Donna urges the Doctor into an act of compassion with Caecelius and his family.

Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead – These episode provide another good and creepy monster in an atmospheric setting whilst providing a mystery to the viewers in the at-first seemingly unconnected scenes involving the little girl and Dr. Moon. They also introduce the mysterious River Song - a good idea, I thought, to include a character who meets the Doctor out of synch with the series timeline. There's a (bitter)sweet arc for Donna, although it is a shame to seperate her from the Doctor, and finally the "little shop" running gag plays an important role in the plot.

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Midnight – An episode that delivers creepiness purely through the acting. A small group of people in a room having an argument, that’s about all this amounts to*, so it’s a credit to all involved how well it works.

Turn Left – This episode takes us down some very dark paths, where disaster brings out the best and worst in people - the scene where the "foreign" neighbours are taken away is heavy-handed in the evident parallels but affecting nonetheless. A good companion piece to Midnight, highlighting Catherine Tate’s abilities as an actor (not to mention the great Bernard Cribbins).

Stolen Earth/Journey’s End – This is pretty much the capstone to the Tenth Doctor’s era, almost rendering the specials of the following year redundant. Admittedly the call-outs to the spin-offs had little effect on me (since I haven't seen them) and the ending is hugely overblown, but by the time you get to it you’re completely in the mood for it. And nobody had to turn into a god. Well, almost.

The Next Doctor - As with many of Tennant's episodes this one is brought down for me by the "cult of the Doctor" - once again no-one is as great as the Doctor and could never hope to be, because he's just, well, the bestest. However, many of the concepts involved are worth it, including the idea of having a multi-Doctor special projected forwards in time from the current Doctor, the idea of someone emulating the Doctor, and the giant steampunk cyberman. Curly's reviews have reminded me that the willful human who can bend cybermen to their will has been done way back before.

Waters of Mars – For my money, probably the best of the specials. Almost a throwback to the stories of the Second Doctor’s era in terms of plot, but what makes it stand out is how the character of the Doctor is getting out of control having realised over the course of several seasons that no other Time Lords are out there to control his actions - many times before he has obeyed certain rules concerning altering time and direct intervention and has finally come to realise that there is no-one to enforce these laws (which seem to be a matter of convention rather than natural laws). The arrogance of this behaviour probably masks a deep hurt about the extinction of his race. This kind of behaviour has continued on in the Eleventh Doctor, I think, although the difference between Ten and Eleven is that the writers sometimes allow Eleven to be wrong. However, that's for next time...

*Although there are many great dramas that this description would apply to.
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So the comic store in town hadn't even got enough to cover the orders they had, and it took me a week to cave in and buy a digital copy. I wanted to do this with a physical copy as I feel it adds a certain quality to the read but I don't feel like waiting for the second print run.

So with out further ado let's begin this readview of
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So there we go, my first "review". I feel I may have gone far too much in the exposition route.
edit:added a sentence about TNG crew to thoughts.
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I think you need a few more, at least The Unicorn and the Wasp and/or/proabably-and the Sontaran 2 parter.
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