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Old 09-11-2012, 03:34 PM   Top  -  End  -  #391
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About the database, is it possible that by that time (2300) the Doctor has actually managed to be forgotten? Sure he might be known LATER in time, but if he's managed to hide his tracks/disappear from most of the major records from the beginning of time up until then it is theoretically possible that he wouldn't be in any database.

Also keep in mind that this isn't the first time no one has heard of time lords. Granted this is a bit far fetched, but back at the season 3 finale 10th probed the humans for information on time lords and no one had heard of them. Combine that with time lords habit of changing face every so often and it's possible that they as a species aren't in many/any databases anymore except for a few exceptions (daleks, other time-traveling organizations and races.). So if the race isn't in the traders database, and the face doesn't match any important historical figures (might have records on a previous incarnation perhaps?) why would he show up?
And yes I do realize that it makes little sense, but I'm trying because I've actually liked both episodes in this season.

And I just have to add my voice to the opinions on Moffat overall. I have to say he does have his unique style, and some of his episodes are really good, but overall it feels like he tries to hard to build up to finales that don't deliver, tries to set a much more serious tone (I liked Davies whimsical tone), doesn't get the viewers as involved on an emotional level (Which Davies did which made people more willing to ignore plot holes.) and generally I dislike his full season arcs. (And I'm really, really, really fed up with River Song.) I mean it's still a good show, don't get me wrong, but it feels like he's trying to be more of a Hollywood show than Doctor Who with his bigger explosions, more actions, bigger baddies, etc. And well, that's just not Doctor Who to me, it's really not. Doctor Who is over the top and silly and funny and sometimes serious and usually utterly ridiculous. Right now it's over the top (in the bad way), the jokes and comedy situations feels awkward and forced, and there's to much dark-seriousness and not enough silly ridiculousness. It'd work for any other show (if the jokes were dropped/felt more organic), but it's sort of not what Doctor Who is to me.

Also Amy and Ace together would be AWESOME. Good thing 9th isn't around anymore because he'd join in on the explosive fun.
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Review of Asylum of the Daleks, makes me look like an idealist. I don't know what to think. I agree with all he says but I still like the ep.
I agree with some of what he says (mainly AmyxRory being pointless, Skaro being back but unexplained but I'm holding out on that one, hoping for a later episode bringing it back) but honestly, he's trying very hard to hate the episode, mostly because he hates the conclusion. The Dalek Doctor relationship had started to die by the end of Tennant's run. They fear him, he hates them, we get it. Forcing that to change wasn't going to happen easily. As for the plot hole of fixing the broken Daleks, the thing they liked about those Daleks was how full of hate they were. That's why they weren't exterminated as opposed to all the other Daleks that have been destroyed. Because "They hate you, SO, much" as Oswin so elegantly put it. They weren't about to erase that hatred. And as has been mentioned on this thread, Rory being reluctant to rescue Oswin only works if he recognized the voice as Dalek. Though my own headcanon had it being because she was using the psychic Dalek hive mind thingy she could sound however she wanted to (also explains the opera) and was occasionally slipping into Dalek speak.

Oh, and regarding the doctor not showing up on the sensors. That has been happening long before the Doctor started laying low. In fact it's been happening ever since the time war because scanners don't know what to make of time lord physiology.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:31 PM   Top  -  End  -  #393
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But because he's woven himself throughout the universe, the Doctor somehow ceasing to exist and being forgotten opens up a huge paradox that will destroy everything?
Ceasing to exist and being forgotten are not nearly the same thing. The former could cause paradoxes; the latter is just the norm for most of us, and doesn't cause any paradoxes. Put another way--almost everyone who died more than 100 years ago is forgotten, but that doesn't cause any paradoxes.
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It's also a big deal of how specific the forgetting was. Do you just forget the Doctor, or also the events he was involved in? Like, "Our planet was about to be destroyed by the Daleks, and then... I have no idea what happened next. We won, somehow?" All it takes is one curious person saying, "Hey, I wonder what happened in this thing we all forgot?" The Doctor may be forgotten and specific records deleted, but everyone will know that something showed up and blew up the whole battlefield.

It may not be enough to generate a paradox. But now all of the Doctor's worst enemies will know that they've been attacked by some force that can travel through time. Some kind of warrior, or demon, or trickster, that just drops out of the sky and burns their whole world down. Possibly even something so awful that the Doctor's worst enemies would unite to find, identify, and trap this monster somehow...

Okay, yeah, I don't think that it's seriously retconning into the Pandorica. But, well, there's a pretty gaping TARDIS-shaped hole in everyone's memories, and there's a lot of intelligent creatures out there who'll want to find out who the Doctor is.
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everyone will know that something showed up and blew up the whole battlefield.
They were defeated by a single human, sometimes followed by a tin dog. (Yes I know the Doctor has travelled with larger groups, and that sometimes he had no human companions, stop using canon to ruin my joke )
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I'm reminded of the Pandorica Opens, particularly the Doctor's talk with Amy regarding her ring: "Nothing is ever truly forgotten. There's always something left behind: photographs you don't recognize, meals half eaten..." If a genuine end of time can't clean up all the loose ends, a coverup of the biggest meddler in history will probably run into difficulty.

Of course there's also his explanation of the Tardis's relative safety: "What do you do when you find a mysterious wooden blue box standing on a corner when you've never seen it there before? You walk right past it. I believe there's a word for that: You're thick." Any loose ends are very likely to be ignored by people not interested in mysteries.
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I'm reminded of the Pandorica Opens, particularly the Doctor's talk with Amy regarding her ring: "Nothing is ever truly forgotten. There's always something left behind: photographs you don't recognize, meals half eaten..." If a genuine end of time can't clean up all the loose ends, a coverup of the biggest meddler in history will probably run into difficulty.

Of course there's also his explanation of the Tardis's relative safety: "What do you do when you find a mysterious wooden blue box standing on a corner when you've never seen it there before? You walk right past it. I believe there's a word for that: You're thick." Any loose ends are very likely to be ignored by people not interested in mysteries.
Maybe we could be 'treated' to another Love and Monsters type episode where instead of people trying to track down the Doctor after meeting him, they're instead investigating the loose ends of his coverup. Please god no.
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Maybe we could be 'treated' to another Love and Monsters type episode where instead of people trying to track down the Doctor after meeting him, they're instead investigating the loose ends of his coverup. Please god no.
I'd be ok with this. I think that story has a lot of potential (Hell Blink had a similar idea behind it and that episode was great), unfortunately Love and Monsters sucked.
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So, three words about the next episode...

Trigun. Doctor Who.

Crossover is complete.
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Trigun. Doctor Who.

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That was my husbands exact thought too. Mine went more like "Maybe Cowboys and Aliens will be good this time." XD
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Stephen Moffat's a dodgy Tweeter.

Also, Have you seen Doctor Who Confidential? It's not on any more!
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Also, Have you seen Doctor Who Confidential? It's not on any more!
They needed to save money for all the other quality programming BBC3 has...
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Ehn.

He's a bit thin-skinned, sure, but I'm not sure "Please stop being rude to me" in response to someone tweeting him really qualifies as being a dodgy tweeter. (And frankly, it was on about the same level as the initial tweet, which I agree with in spirit but feel might have been a tad more confrontational than the writer of the article would like to admit.)
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Ehn.

He's a bit thin-skinned, sure, but I'm not sure "Please stop being rude to me" in response to someone tweeting him really qualifies as being a dodgy tweeter. (And frankly, it was on about the same level as the initial tweet, which I agree with in spirit but feel might have been a tad more confrontational than the writer of the article would like to admit.)
To be honest I can see how one person reads it as rude when it wasn't meant to be, text only does that at times since you don't have body language or tone of voice to go by, and on twitter you rarely even have smileys.

But I also think that if you don't want to deal with the public when you're a public figure you shouldn't have twitter, facebook accounts, etc. that the public can reach you through. Make some private ones, but be prepared to deal with the public if you make things like that public.
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I'm very disapointed that Total Wipeout isn't on before Who now
Also Who is on now.
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I'm hardly the target audience for Strictly though.
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Well that was a disappointingly bad episode.

Next week looks solid though, so silver linings and all that.
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No Review Tonight People.

This gets 10/10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I'll come back later to talk about how great! this episode is!
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I liked it.

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This gets 10/10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I'll come back later to talk about how great! this episode is!
This just shows how varied the viewers are.
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This just shows how varied the viewers are.
yet still I know no person who would like "Love and Monsters". Or dislike Silence in the Library. ;-)

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yet still I know no person who would like "Love and Monsters". Or dislike Silence in the Library. ;-)
And now you do. :). I am so looking forward to when I Curly-style the "hateful abomination" that nobody mentions in dislike lists so I can show you the true target to hate on.

Mixed views, Tough crowd. Everyone tell me exactly why this ep was bad. Then I'll look at your comments and turn them into my review.

Here is a list of all the Dr Who (New) eps worthy of a Sunken Valley 10/10. Apologies to all the 9/10s not on the list. Let me know if you think I'm missing anything and I can acknowledge that it's a 9.

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I'm shocked by this episode. Its genuinely the first of Smith's I really enjoyed since the Lodger (and thats a special type of episode anyway).

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I greatly dislike Silence in the Library and River Song episodes in general.
Same here, actually. Well, "greatly dislike" may be a bit strong, but it certainly isn't amongst my favourites.
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well ok - regarding my previous post - I don't actually count SitL as 'River Song' episode, because it was before River was MarySue'd with 11, I count it as 'fabolous Donna' episode

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