Well, Sollux could be evidence for your case, but I thought bubble-selves were contained, and couldn't get out into the real world. If they could, we could have a LOT of Aradias and Daves out there...
But the kids and trolls aren't bubble selves, they're actually there in the bubble. The meteor entered the bubble and that's where they are. The kids and trolls aren't dreaming like Dirk is, or dead like Aranea or Meenah. They're just there. Once the meteor moves on past the bubble, they won't be there anymore. They could probably go to sleep and find that one, but it wouldn't be the same.
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But the kids and trolls aren't bubble selves, they're actually there in the bubble. The meteor entered the bubble and that's where they are. The kids and trolls aren't dreaming like Dirk is, or dead like Aranea or Meenah. They're just there. Once the meteor moves on past the bubble, they won't be there anymore. They could probably go to sleep and find that one, but it wouldn't be the same.
Then I misunderstood something. I got the impression when the asteroid passed through a bubble, everyone fell asleep. If they're actually there, then it is possible.
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Ah, yes. "Art", an abstract term capable of turning products corrupted by laziness and arrogance into masterpieces that are not merely immutable, but inherently justified.
Then I misunderstood something. I got the impression when the asteroid passed through a bubble, everyone fell asleep. If they're actually there, then it is possible.
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Also, am I the only one who wants to see Dirk go into Fanboyspasms once he realizes who Dave is? Dave grew up with Bro, and so he'll just be like "Woah, it's my Bro, but tiny". Dirk lives his life in a shrine dedicated to a long dead media personality.
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Then I misunderstood something. I got the impression when the asteroid passed through a bubble, everyone fell asleep. If they're actually there, then it is possible.
Since when were you under this impression?
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Since when were you under this impression?
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Well, I'm a little confused otherwise. How can a single physical body (without time shenanigans) be both on the meteor and wherever this dream bubble is taking place? If the meteor is moving (and they don't have Sollux to pick up the pace again), how are they not left behind?
How exactly does Terezi lose track of where she was (and honestly think she was back in the past) if she's not asleep? Where are the others, if the meteor truly was just sitting there outside of Terezi's tree? Then she was led to the meeting via the same kind of branch path that Jake was.
Also, John and Jake are explicitly asleep when they meet Meena.
Aranea offered to heal Terezi during an event that certainly had the trappings of a dream, just like Feferi healed the Mayor.
The physical reality of it all (the meteor being static, albeit still shaking, in the dream bubble, with Terezi travelling a long, long way away from it) just doesn't track if they are physically there, and previous instances of dream bubbles are explicitly visited by sleeping people lacking a dream self. How does that work if Terezi is not asleep? Is the dream bubble suddenly moving in sync with the meteor, and behaving like a Star Trek holodeck, where movement is an illusion created by the background moving instead of you?
Of course, if the meteor left without them, that could create an interesting chain of events. Gamzee could have made the Cherubs in a lab already, then the inhabitants get lost in dream bubbles, leaving a seemingly uninhabited meteor careening through space towards Post-scratch Skaia. Just because there is no reckoning doesn't mean there are no defense portals, so the meteor gets thrown to some point in time on Post-scratch Earth, where ultimately Cal and Umbrage are found living on the meteor.
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Ah, yes. "Art", an abstract term capable of turning products corrupted by laziness and arrogance into masterpieces that are not merely immutable, but inherently justified.
Well, I'm a little confused otherwise. How can a single physical body (without time shenanigans) be both on the meteor and wherever this dream bubble is taking place? If the meteor is moving (and they don't have Sollux to pick up the pace again), how are they not left behind?
How exactly does Terezi lose track of where she was (and honestly think she was back in the past) if she's not asleep? Where are the others, if the meteor truly was just sitting there outside of Terezi's tree? Then she was led to the meeting via the same kind of branch path that Jake was.
Also, John and Jake are explicitly asleep when they meet Meena.
Aranea offered to heal Terezi during an event that certainly had the trappings of a dream, just like Feferi healed the Mayor.
The physical reality of it all (the meteor being static, albeit still shaking, in the dream bubble, with Terezi travelling a long, long way away from it) just doesn't track if they are physically there, and previous instances of dream bubbles are explicitly visited by sleeping people lacking a dream self. How does that work if Terezi is not asleep? Is the dream bubble suddenly moving in sync with the meteor, and behaving like a Star Trek holodeck, where movement is an illusion created by the background moving instead of you?
Of course, if the meteor left without them, that could create an interesting chain of events. Gamzee could have made the Cherubs in a lab already, then the inhabitants get lost in dream bubbles, leaving a seemingly uninhabited meteor careening through space towards Post-scratch Skaia. Just because there is no reckoning doesn't mean there are no defense portals, so the meteor gets thrown to some point in time on Post-scratch Earth, where ultimately Cal and Umbrage are found living on the meteor.
Bleach
The dream bubble is massive. They are on the meteor, which is moving through the dream bubble with them. I guess yeah, it's just the illusion of movement that makes them seem like they're far away from the meteor.
When Jake or John went unconscious, they dreamed in their own dream bubble. Aranea drew John into the central one when she visited him. This created an overlap, two dream bubbles merging into each other. This also happened with John, but he was drawn in my Roxy's weird void powers. Thus, this is a super mega dream bubble that the meteor is moving through was born. They're all on the meteor, but to them it seems like they're on the pink moon because Aranea and Meenah are memorying it up.
It's weird dream shenanigans, it doesn't really make sense, but in its own way it does make sense.
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Man, can you imagine what must have gone wrong in that timeline for it to fail with God Tier Eridan and Feferi?
The fact that Eridan didn't end up alone and hated by everyone is exactly why that timeline failed. He had to be irredeemably awful and shunned by everyone until he snaps and goes on a rampage.
It's kinda like that timeline with Godtier Karkat hanging out with Nepeta. If things turn out right for the trolls, and they get to grow up to be better persons and live happily with their close friends or lovers, then clearly the timeline is wrong.
Remember that the right timeline is the one engineered by Doc Scratch to bring about Lord English in the Alternian universe. It actually explains a lot.
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I think he did the only morally acceptable thing by killing everyone.
The fact that Eridan didn't end up alone and hated by everyone is exactly why that timeline failed. He had to be irredeemably awful and shunned by everyone until he snaps and goes on a rampage.
It's kinda like that timeline with Godtier Karkat hanging out with Nepeta. If things turn out right for the trolls, and they get to grow up to be better persons and live happily with their close friends or lovers, then clearly the timeline is wrong.
Remember that the right timeline is the one engineered by Doc Scratch to bring about Lord English in the Alternian universe. It actually explains a lot.
The question though is *how* did that Timeline fail? While I respect that LE is engineering the Alpha Timeline, everyone in the Dream Bubble from doomed Timelines had to die to get into the bubble. What sort of Just or Heroic deaths could Godtier Eridan and Feferi have gone through in that timeline?
I'm tempted to think the two died fighting each other. Since Eridan was God Tier he was too powerful for anyone except another God Tier to stop so he killed everyone in the Showdown (including Vriska, because could she really stop a Prince of Hope?). In the end, after Feferi revived from the earlier surprise attack, she returned for vengeance.
The question though is *how* did that Timeline fail? While I respect that LE is engineering the Alpha Timeline, everyone in the Dream Bubble from doomed Timelines had to die to get into the bubble. What sort of Just or Heroic deaths could Godtier Eridan and Feferi have gone through in that timeline?
That was actually one of the first timelines. Unfortunately, it meant that there were no Aradiabots present to stop the Black King's horrible psychic shockwave. Eridan and all of the other trolls except for Feferi died against the King; as it was a death fighting for the sake of the universe, it was Heroic of Eridan. Feferi died shortly afterwards, for the same reason.
Conveniently, this can explain how the vast majority of the troll timelines failed. That Vast Glub was a real killer.
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Remember that the right timeline is the one engineered by Doc Scratch to bring about Lord English in the Alternian universe. It actually explains a lot.
Incorrect. The right timeline is simply the one that is supposed to happen, simple as that. There is no one engineering it or determining it, it is plain and simple fate. This must happen, because that allows this to occor. if it does not happen, then it is wrong.
People like doc scratch are simply aware of what must and must not happen, and perform their actions when acceptable to ensure that the timeline does not branch off again whenever possible.
There is no one engineering it or determining it, it is plain and simple fate.
That's a very reductionist view of it. By the same token, it is fate that they are engineering and determining situations. Especially when they are omniscient people with powers over both space (as First Guardian) and time (with Sburbian tech like Trollian).
And furtherremore, there's more than one way to do anything. That was specifically said by Vriska a long way back. She decided to make it so that she would be responsible for Jack Noir coming into their world, because she was a narcissist and if they couldn't win, then she wanted that the reason why would be about her. It was implied then that if she hadn't done so, Jack would have come anyway; but then it wouldn't have been because of her.
The characters do have some wiggle room in the massive predestination paradox soup that is Homestuck.
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I think he did the only morally acceptable thing by killing everyone.
i have a feeling that while traveling on the metior and across the yellow yard, the kids and trolls are kind of "outside" the "this must happen or you all are screwed" rulebook. What happens there happens, and that's it. While inside a game session or universe though, you need to be more careful.
edit: On seccond though... inside universe is probably free of the rules too for the most part. Sure big things like sburb still need to happen, but minor choices wont mess up the entire timeline. it's probabably just stuff that happens within the game itself that needs to be thought about.
i have a feeling that while traveling on the metior and across the yellow yard, the kids and trolls are kind of "outside" the "this must happen or you all are screwed" rulebook. What happens there happens, and that's it. While inside a game session or universe though, you need to be more careful.
edit: On seccond though... inside universe is probably free of the rules too for the most part. Sure big things like sburb still need to happen, but minor choices wont mess up the entire timeline. it's probabably just stuff that happens within the game itself that needs to be thought about.
Not quite: it's the stuff, that completes all the timeloops and other causality issues, that has to happen in a specific way. If there is a paradox, it becomes a doomed timeline.
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Not quite: it's the stuff, that completes all the timeloops and other causality issues, that has to happen in a specific way. If there is a paradox that furthers the propagation of existance, it becomes a doomed timeline.
Fixed. Prime example; Dave-sprite.
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previous to finding this i heard a rumour that they would skip over everything that began before late act 4.
If you excuse me im... im gunna go cry now.
i hope its not true
Well, if you check out the 4kids wikipedia article for yourself, you'll find that the word "homestuck" doesn't appear in it at all. There's also no citations for it.
Well, if you check out the 4kids wikipedia article for yourself, you'll find that the word "homestuck" doesn't appear in it at all. There's also no citations for it.
Also, since 4kids went bankrupt over a year ago, the chances of them making any TV shows are rather slim.
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