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Old 06-23-2012, 01:54 PM   Top  -  End  -  #421
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Okay so my character isn't quite done yet. I feel that I've hit a stump in the backstory and I'd like some help with it if that's alright. Here's what I have right now.

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Obviously I need to finish the last third or so of my backstory and fill in the story elements (of which I have ideas for) but I'd like some opinions on a certain part of the backstory that I have yet to write up. (shown in the spoiler below)

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Old 06-24-2012, 12:02 PM   Top  -  End  -  #424
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Alright, I got off of my lazy butt & put her to... well, not paper, whatever you consider an electronic document to be.

Ladies and Gentlemen, my character, with mood setting music.

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Alright, sorry for disappearing there, catching up in hopes of posting tonight.

As for the loss of Lucrezia...well, it's unfortunate, but I understand.
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Old 06-24-2012, 07:23 PM   Top  -  End  -  #428
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Alright, sorry for disappearing there, catching up in hopes of posting tonight.

As for the loss of Lucrezia...well, it's unfortunate, but I understand.
Well, she's not entirely gone. I like Kasanip's idea of just making her an NPC that I can roleplay as, but I don't think I could focus everything I have solely on her. With Cirophi, I think I could do that.

P.S. Can I get a mod to look at her, please?
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Well, she's not entirely gone. I like Kasanip's idea of just making her an NPC that I can roleplay as, but I don't think I could focus everything I have solely on her. With Cirophi, I think I could do that.

P.S. Can I get a mod to look at her, please?
I'm not a mod (in this game), but the problem I'm noticing with her advantages is that they're laid out a bit confusingly. I'm not sure what the "trait" heading is, and that "astral construct" also seems a bit problematic in a game where magic is regarded with such suspicion. I know there are other mage characters, but I can't help but feel that you've built a very powerfully psionic character in a game which...sort of discourages that. Also...Levitation giving flight. Flight has been a big issue in past games, and I'm not sure that levitation and flight can be construed as the same advantage...levitation is largely "lifting and occasionally moving a short distance" whereas flight is...well...flying. Again, I'm not a mod, but those are the issues I'm seeing currently, based on past playground experience. However, I do like the overall character design; I feel she could be an interesting addition to the game.
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I'm not a mod (in this game), but the problem I'm noticing with her advantages is that they're laid out a bit confusingly. I'm not sure what the "trait" heading is, and that "astral construct" also seems a bit problematic in a game where magic is regarded with such suspicion. I know there are other mage characters, but I can't help but feel that you've built a very powerfully psionic character in a game which...sort of discourages that. Also...Levitation giving flight. Flight has been a big issue in past games, and I'm not sure that levitation and flight can be construed as the same advantage...levitation is largely "lifting and occasionally moving a short distance" whereas flight is...well...flying. Again, I'm not a mod, but those are the issues I'm seeing currently, based on past playground experience. However, I do like the overall character design; I feel she could be an interesting addition to the game.
I was worried about the Advantages bit. Well, I was looking at Kasanip's character sheet from the previous Playground game, and it had the Trait (immortailty) thing, so I thought that was how to handle it. And I will agree that levitation granting flight is a bit of a stretch, but logically it makes sense. If you can levitate other objects, wouldn't you be easily able to levitate yourself? Looking at it a second time, I agree that levitation granting flight is a bit of a stretch, but wouldn't it be able to allow very short-distance flight, if only temporarily?
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@TechnOkami: Playing your psion character is fine if you're willing to deal with the social fallout and for the majority of people to not be able to tell the difference between what she's doing and every other kind of magic.

However! Hi-mi is correct in that you cannot levitate yourself, even though it seems like you should be able to from a logical standpoint. Flight of any kind cannot be attained without the Flight advantage. The ability to levitate objects like that is still a common advantage, though.

I'm also curious as to what "trait" means in terms of rarity. Please define it within the established contexts - Special, Common, Uncommon, Rare, Exceptional, or Legendary, with a Profession, Item, or Vehicle modifier.
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Well, if Levitation was re-worded so that it had a limitation on distance I think that might be okay. For instance, if she could only move herself 100 yards max or something. Just because using the word "flight" implies unlimited movement, but it stands to reason that if weight effects her ability to lift something, distance or length of time the power is used would as well.
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Well, if Levitation was re-worded so that it had a limitation on distance I think that might be okay. For instance, if she could only move herself 100 yards max or something. Just because using the word "flight" implies unlimited movement, but it stands to reason that if weight effects her ability to lift something, distance or length of time the power is used would as well.
Actually, this got 'nerfed' from previous playgrounds, what you've described there is actually Flight Rank 1. We have very deliberately made it hard to obtain functional flight or teleportation.
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Oooh, that's right. I forgot about the nerfing. Yeeah. That's gonna be problematic. Maybe do Flight I, Levitation I? Or get some sort of imbued artifact with a set number of levitation/flight charges?
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@TechnOkami: Playing your psion character is fine if you're willing to deal with the social fallout and for the majority of people to not be able to tell the difference between what she's doing and every other kind of magic.

However! Hi-mi is correct in that you cannot levitate yourself, even though it seems like you should be able to from a logical standpoint. Flight of any kind cannot be attained without the Flight advantage. The ability to levitate objects like that is still a common advantage, though.

I'm also curious as to what "trait" means in terms of rarity. Please define it within the established contexts - Special, Common, Uncommon, Rare, Exceptional, or Legendary, with a Profession, Item, or Vehicle modifier.
Ok, no I don't need flight, I was just seeing if I could with Levitation, which basically sounds like I can't, so I'll remove it after this post. Now that I'm on the topic though, I do have an Advantage question. I have one Advantage which allows me to obviously create an Astral Construct, which gives me a Psionic Golem to do my will. What kind of advantage would I need to be able to apply some kind of extra trait to it? For instance: Say I wanted to allow it to fly, or give it a bonus to speed or strength, or even increase its size. What kind of Advantage would that require?

Also: the whole "trait system" I'm not even sure if it applies to this game (it was used in the previous Playground game), so I made her the best way I could with what I knew. Looking at the Trait, it would grant her immortality and the ability to sustain herself with her mind, if necessary. It's a personal trait, and if it were an advantage... it would be either Rare or Special I think.

Just a note: I believe immortality came up last game, and got transferred from an Advantage to a trait.
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That would be a follower so it's rarity would be increased correct? And immortality is a trait because it doesn't actually change anything within the timeframe of the game.
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Also: the whole "trait system" I'm not even sure if it applies to this game (it was used in the previous Playground game), so I made her the best way I could with what I knew. Looking at the Trait, it would grant her immortality and the ability to sustain herself with her mind, if necessary. It's a personal trait, and if it were an advantage... it would be either Rare or Special I think.
As I understand it, this is what Special advantages are for: things that are too useful to get for free, but unlikely to ever apply to a roll. Like Xondoure says, being ageless probably doesn't warrant one because this game isn't going to last long enough that characters need to worry about dying from old age (probably). Not needing to eat, drink, breathe or sleep probably does call for a Special advantage, though. Those could come in handy.

Moving on to the story: I like the idea of tying these guys in with Lahja legends and history (prehistory?), and would love to collaborate with you some more on that. Might I ask how long ago the cataclysm happened? I had the impression that it was a very long time ago, long enough that the Miishlanni might have existed alongside the ancients... but then there's a line about how Cirophi was the last Miishlanni made before the fall, and she's only 19.

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Normally, yes, but I think the reasoning behind that rule is that it compensates for the fact that followers aren't always available. A follower that you can literally conjure out of thin air on command doesn't really fit the bill...

(Mods, feel free to correct me if I'm reading the intent of the rule wrong.)
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As I understand it, this is what Special advantages are for: things that are too useful to get for free, but unlikely to ever apply to a roll. Like Xondoure says, being ageless probably doesn't warrant one because this game isn't going to last long enough that characters need to worry about dying from old age (probably). Not needing to eat, drink, breathe or sleep probably does call for a Special advantage, though. Those could come in handy.

Moving on to the story: I like the idea of tying these guys in with Lahja legends and history (prehistory?), and would love to collaborate with you some more on that. Might I ask how long ago the cataclysm happened? I had the impression that it was a very long time ago, long enough that the Miishlanni might have existed alongside the ancients... but then there's a line about how Cirophi was the last Miishlanni made before the fall, and she's only 19.


Normally, yes, but I think the reasoning behind that rule is that it compensates for the fact that followers aren't always available. A follower that you can literally conjure out of thin air on command doesn't really fit the bill...

(Mods, feel free to correct me if I'm reading the intent of the rule wrong.)
Ah, alright. Then I'll take away a point from her Intelligence and use it for a Special Advantage, "Psionic Sustenance". As for her confusing backstory... well, I need to make another edit to her. It's not that she is 19, but rather that she looks about the age of 19. In actuality, she's been living for thousands of years due to the Miishlanni's Psionic Empowerment Ritual, which has been effectively lost. So, the nomadic people who live far and deep within the desert are actually the remnants of the ancient Miishlanni, and everyone of their culture who still exists. They cannot make more Miishlanni because of the lack of Psionic power necessary to do so, and they don't want to risk accidentally bringing in another colossal eldritch monstrosity like they did thousands of years ago. Cirophi, however, has effectively left to explore, gain power, and restore hope to her broken people by raising one/all of the four cities from the sands. Her next big project would be for a way to contain this Eldritch Abomination of sorts, defeating it in some climactic way.

I... am now making that edit.

P.S.: the Miishlanni were a distinct subset of the Ancients.
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Ah, alright. Then I'll take away a point from her Intelligence and use it for a Special Advantage, "Psionic Sustenance". As for her confusing backstory... well, I need to make another edit to her. It's not that she is 19, but rather that she looks about the age of 19. In actuality, she's been living for thousands of years due to the Miishlanni's Psionic Empowerment Ritual, which has been effectively lost. So, the nomadic people who live far and deep within the desert are actually the remnants of the ancient Miishlanni, and everyone of their culture who still exists. They cannot make more Miishlanni because of the lack of Psionic power necessary to do so, and they don't want to risk accidentally bringing in another colossal eldritch monstrosity like they did thousands of years ago. Cirophi, however, has effectively left to explore, gain power, and restore hope to her broken people by raising one/all of the four cities from the sands. Her next big project would be for a way to contain this Eldritch Abomination of sorts, defeating it in some climactic way.

I... am now making that edit.

P.S.: the Miishlanni were a distinct subset of the Ancients.
No, let's not make that a P.S. The Ancients are sort of a big deal, and up until now it was assumed that the Compass Rose Swords and maybe one or two other special entities were left from that time.

The Drift Folk and Kodari are different, as they're the descendents of a group left over from the timeline recycle. The swords themselves have halfway or completely forgotten that time.

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The 'thousands of years old' thing gets thrown out too quickly and too often in fantasy these days. Try to imagine what being that old would actually be like. Your wife of 70 years would be no more special to you than that girl you dated once. You would have seen enough governments rise and fall to sincerely doubt that any civic project could endure for long without significant changes. You would need to be constantly learning new languages, adjusting to new music, new cultural taboos, and of course, new people who are constantly dropping dead around you after a mere few decades, so why bother getting to know them?

Imagine learning of a new undiscovered country, full of people who are born, grow old, and die within a week. Are you going to be friends with any of them? Could any of them possibly get to know you well enough to be considered a friend or romantic interest? Of course not! Even conducting business or research with people from that area would be a headache, since you would call back to follow up on something only to find out that your contact in that area is dead and his descendents joined the circus. And naturally, none of them want to help you with your long-term plans, since any such plans won't bear fruit until they're long dead. Your four-year plan to finish college sounds great to you, with obvious benefits, but you won't be able to convince anyone from that country to do it because getting a degree takes 200 times longer than they have to live.

Or imagine instead if what was cool and kosher where you lived changed every week. For last week, the words floop, bangitywham, and snooble were considered the dirtiest of words, women had no civil rights, and you could get hanged for eating whole grain bread. This week, floop is now socially acceptable as long as you're not near children and Bangitywham is the name of a musical group. Women are legally equal to men but now everyone hates elves and people with exceptionally pointy ears, and whole grain bread is awesome but you can be shot for making toast with it. Next week? Snooble is considered quaint but still offensive, something that only racist old people say, Bangitywham's songs are considered 'oldies,' elves have successfully won back their civil rights but now there's a backlash against their original oppressors - people who favor pointy shoes and sugar cookies. And now toast is in, but you can't put butter AND jam on it at the same time or you'll be excommunicated by all the Popes that got elected since you last checked. What, you mean you didn't know there are fifty elected Popes? Come on, everyone knows that!

That's what the mortal world looks like to an immortal character who is thousands of years old. You would have to start looking for governments or other immortal creatures to secure cooperation with any plans that would make sense to you - and even governments are going to look shaky and uncertain after you've seen once-"invincible" empires topple. And the flippancy with which you treat such transient social and legal rules will of course make you come off as cold, apathetic, and even insane.

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Ah! That makes more sense. I usually have reservations about playing millennia-old characters, simply because it's a challenge to present them as believably that old, but it's your character.

You may want to talk with Jade a bit about the Ancients, seeing as he's responsible for that story element, and I think some of his plans involve exploring the mysteries behind them. One of the key ideas is that while there are a lot of archeological fragments, lost artifacts, and other traces left behind by the Ancients, nothing is whole. So, having a bunch of immortals who can remember perfectly well what the previous era was like may be... problematic.

I'd suggest including some reason for their memories and records to be vague—maybe the psychic monstrosity scarred the minds of everyone present at that battle, or maybe the cataclysm that destroyed the rest of the Ancients affected them as well. Maybe it's just that their memories aren't much better than humans, forcing them to rely on historical records, oral histories and their own muddied recollections. (Which would also mitigate the age issue.)

Edit - I see Jade's gotten here ahead of me, but since I went and dug it up already, here's the original post describing the Ancients and what's going on there.
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Mmk... then I will not have the Miishlanni be a subsect of the Ancients, though I like the idea that they were once neighbors to the Ancients.

How about this: why don't I say that when the cataclysm happened to stop the rampaging terror, the Psionic energies released were so strong and powerful that it caused everyone to go into a Temporal Stasis? Say, one minute the monster was being destroyed right before their eyes, the next they're standing on the ruins of one of their cities, in the middle of a desert. That way, we can preserve the whole "ancient beyond ancient" aspect and not have Cirophi be an anti-social pessimist. Thoughts?

Also, on the topic of "the Miishlanni will spoil everything in terms of plot", Cirophi has not gone outside of her former lands, and her people are all remaining in the desert out of shame/misery/the desire to not repeat the terrible mistake they've done. So, Cirophi can certainly talk about her own ancient lands before it was blasted into a desert, but she couldn't comment on the Ancients or their key locations of civilization. At best, she would recognize something as the work of the Ancients, but that's really about it.

P.S. Starsign, your character looks generally good as far as I can tell. Can I get a Mod to double check that he's good to go please?
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Alright something I have never understood is what exactly is the difference between Psionics and Magic?
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:33 AM   Top  -  End  -  #443
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Alright something I have never understood is what exactly is the difference between Psionics and Magic?
Psionics comes from the mind while Magic comes from, well, the universe, is a simple way to put it.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:40 AM   Top  -  End  -  #444
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Alright something I have never understood is what exactly is the difference between Psionics and Magic?
Psionics is Magic, but it runs on a different system so that Wizards of the Coast can sell more rulebooks. Also everything is made of crystals for some reason.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:45 AM   Top  -  End  -  #445
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P.S. Starsign, your character looks generally good as far as I can tell. Can I get a Mod to double check that he's good to go please?
Just re-emphasizing this, because it got majorly overlooked, several times over.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:51 AM   Top  -  End  -  #446
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Psionics comes from the mind while Magic comes from, well, the universe, is a simple way to put it.
Well in that case... would it be alright if Psionics was a specific form of High Magic? It ties in well with the whole ancient civilizations (while not Ancient) using it to their ultimate destruction. And honestly psionic empowerment is a lot like the parts of enchantment that lead to being magic addicted and the Fae. Obviously there would be differences but it would be based around two cultures studying the same branch of power in different ways. Anyways I thought it might be cool.
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:52 AM   Top  -  End  -  #447
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Starsign - I don't understand how you can run a mercenary company and a ship... without the company and the ship. You didn't explain where they are at the moment or why he doesn't have access to them.

LongVin - Interesting proposition, but no. The Duke is a very wealthy man and not indebted to anyone.
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Starsign - I don't understand how you can run a mercenary company and a ship... without the company and the ship. You didn't explain where they are at the moment or why he doesn't have access to them..
Well I actually have yet to write that, my backstory isn't finished yet since I got a problem with an earlier part of the backstory (which I believe I mentioned on my post) He lacks the advantages for the mercenary group and the ship because he isn't with them anymore, I just need to write that up first once I got some help regarding my writing block which I'd like some help with if that's alright.
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Old 06-25-2012, 04:10 AM   Top  -  End  -  #449
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@ TechnOkami:

About Traits: The reason Eris' sheet is like this is because I used TRPG system for organize, and translate and copy-paste for thread. I am sorry for confusion. I don't think other player used this style.

The only purpose of [Trait] was to organize by meaning.

The situation of Eris, it only was useful I think to show reasons for ability. For example, [Fire Resistance] is good and bad name of advantage. It easily can be known purpose, but doesn't tell about character relationship.

The situation of Eris, it isn't [fireproof skin]. It is [mastery of fire magic so much that she can effortlessly control fire]. To such a meaning, only a more powerful fire magic can hurt her (maybe a very very powerful dragon). If Eris was to fight another Fire Sorcerer, it show her superiority to such a sorcerer to effortlessly counter their battle magic.

For her Knowledge (History), of course a 14 year old cannot know history like she can, so it must be because of her Immortality experience that she can.

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About the Cataclysm: If you are talking about my Story Element, it is the end of the Ancient Civilization. I introduced it to describe history of Artifact Spirits of that time. I don't know about [colossal psychic monstrosity] or [rampaging terror] though. I haven't read the sheet of TechnOkami yet. Are you adding these to the Cataclysm at the end of the Ancients?


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I had enjoyed time to balance these kind of thoughts with Eris' story. Her opinion of Alchemists and Sorcerers and government of Taelarys was very influence of her experience.


But this is also why I only offered a few option of memory of artifact spirits and compass rose swords. I was surprised there was some suggestion they should remember such a long time.
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Old 06-25-2012, 04:23 AM   Top  -  End  -  #450
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Oooooh... okay. I was wondering how the trait thing came about. Well, nevertheless, it came in handy describing my Advantages, despite causing a little bit of confusion, so thanks.

And to clarify things: the cataclysm which happened with the Miishlanni and the cataclysm which happened with the Ancients are two separate events. The Miishlani cataclysm happened before the Ancients' own downfall, but the two events were very close to each other in terms of time. Practically, the Ancient's Catacysm happened right on top of the Miishlanni Cataclysm.
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