40k, Star Wars, Star Trek, One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto V.S. Super Robot Wars (All)

[Fan]

Rules are as follows.

1. There is no use of plot devices, non recurring abilities (except in cases like Genryuusai with only 1 fight ever putting him at maximum capability.), no Incredible Cross Sections, and nothing outside of Voyager for Star Trek, also no Robot abilities that are not backed by the source material for the Robots in Super Robot Wars. This includes F-Type equipment for Evangelion 01, the Progressive Sword, and Kaiser Nova from Mazinkaiser.

2. All Star Wars canon is canon, there are no arguments over G, or whatever canon. So long as it isn't the holiday special, or from N canon (like the comics, or the Indiana Jones / Star Wars crossover.) it all flies here.

3. Material from the anime games is not canon, and any material contradicting the Manga from the series of One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto is considered non canon. This includes the One Piece Dynasty Warriors game, and any manga that may be linked to the respective SRW character with the exception being the SRW games for sake of maintaining sanity.

Scenario's:

Base: The Super Robot Wars verse, including all attached forces (GGG, Getter Corps, all facilities needed for the OG's, and any other related buildings and forces.) appear on a former tomb world in Segmentum Obscurus a few systems away from the Eye of Terror.

In this scenario, the Star Wars, and Star Trek Verses have agreed to combat the greater evil of Chaos in hopes of being able to help reform the Imperium of Man after the conflict is over, thinking that millenia of war has made a populous bitter, and fanatical and that peace would be what they needed to adjust to a more utopian society. One Piece, Bleach, and Naruto verses are here as well, having been fringe worlds, yatta yatta, all powers work the same and all verses involved on one side are assumed to be completely accepting of the other and completely willing to help the other out, and come to it's defense in this conflict.

Star Wars is currently in the era of the Galactic Empire as it is the most ready militarily.

Super Robot Wars side comes in with all attached forces, including the Supers, Celestial, 3G, Getter, etc.

Seperate Scenarios:

Scenario 1: Each faction faces off against SRW 1 at a time, isolated by warp storms that shut down hyper space, and warp travel for all intents and purposes. Two faction enter, 1 faction leave. Recovery period allowed between "matches".

Scenario 2: Two of any random combination face off against it, but with travel allowed. No recovery period.

Scenario 3: All at once, full on blood brawl. No holds barred, all rules apply still.

Basic Info on each faction:

Star wars:

Information.

40k:

Adeptus Astartes respect thread

Imperial Navy Information.

Star Trek:

Memory Alpha Wiki on Voyager.

Super Robot Wars:

List of games, and contained within their characters.


Now, with all basic information sources provided for everyones use, and several sources compiling literature sources provided let us begin. Will quantity have a quality all it's own, or will the Holy Shounen Trinity, and the Holy Sci Fi Trinity of these boards Get the Power of Love?

[Spamotron]

SRW has the Ideon one of its minor secondary weapons is a planet buster at full power it can destroy Galaxies. The narrative at the end of the anime said it was the entire universe but on screen we only see the milky way getting obliterated. Note Ideon is a tragic everyone dies series.

[Fan]

Originally Posted by Spamotron

SRW has the Ideon one of its minor secondary weapons is a planet buster at full power it can destroy Galaxies. The narrative at the end of the anime said it was the entire universe but on screen we only see the milky way getting obliterated. Note Ideon is a tragic everyone dies series.

That's limited in SRW, as is Evangelion's Human Instrumentality.

For sake of this thread, assume anything above solar system level is limited. This includes Red Matter, and Blackstone Fortresses.

All three of the listed sci fi series are capable of tossing out planet busters casually as well, and all three manga settings are capable of casually dishing out mountain busters as well. Naruto has the Sage of Six paths available to put it on the correct level of this versus, Rinnegan does not absorb all forms of energy, just Chakra derived energy which will be assumed to be equivalent with all other eastern forms of energy. (Chi, that kind of thing.)

[GloatingSwine]

Originally Posted by Spamotron

SRW has the Ideon one of its minor secondary weapons is a planet buster at full power it can destroy Galaxies. The narrative at the end of the anime said it was the entire universe but on screen we only see the milky way getting obliterated. Note Ideon is a tragic everyone dies series.

Technically, Ideon doesn't destroy the universe, it recreates it. (Unofficially, the UC Gundam continuity is the result of Ideon rebooting the universe)

Anyway, pitting pretty much anything that isn't at least a higher level godlike entity against super robots is pretty silly. Unless you've got something that can rewrite the universe first you're going to get rocket punched from beyond time and space.

[tyckspoon]

SRW has featured GaoGaiGar, Getter, Gunbuster, and freaking Gurren Lagann. And you're putting them all in the same side to fight together. This isn't any kind of contest, IMO- any one of the big names there can take out the entire 40k/Trek/Wars component on its own, and that's without getting into more obscure SRW series that might have similar powers, or the SRW Original units that also are planetary-scale threats. Everything else is basically just filling out the numbers compared to those..

The manga series is a more interesting question, I think, because those characters carry individual power in a package that is rather more difficult for a Super Robot-scale fighter to deal with (I don't think they can reasonably *beat* the heavyweights in the SRW team, but most of the SRW side would have equal trouble pinning down a target the size of Naruto, Ichigo, or Luffy to actually hit them hard enough to put them down without doing absurd amounts of collateral damage.) So you instead get One Piece/Bleach/Naruto versus the smaller units of SRW- the Aestivalis, Gundams, Brain Powereds, Tekkaman, and similar, which could be an interesting discussion but unfortunately one I don't know the robot side well enough to really participate in.

[Fan]

Originally Posted by GloatingSwine

Technically, Ideon doesn't destroy the universe, it recreates it. (Unofficially, the UC Gundam continuity is the result of Ideon rebooting the universe)

Anyway, pitting pretty much anything that isn't at least a higher level godlike entity against super robots is pretty silly. Unless you've got something that can rewrite the universe first you're going to get rocket punched from beyond time and space.

Primarchs, God Emperor, Palpatine (including EU Shenanagins), Void Dragon, The C'Tan in General, Darth Vader (Going by EU Craziness.), Q.

The Sci Fi series have no lack of Gods. This is a verse battle, not just one faction, the only faction excluded on the 40k side is Chaos, and it's associated factions for obvious reasons.

Gurren Lagann also only gets up to Arc Gurren in the games. There's no Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann, Getter without Getter Emperor (which isn't in the games) only gets up to planet level destruction (albeit, casual planet level.) going by the series, and that's joined with Shin Dragon.

Only one of those that has no debate to it is the Goldion Crusher, having flat out wiped a solar system, but at the same time it canonically rips apart Gaogaigar making it a 1 shot in what? A hundred star system battle?

There are multiple star level + beings in all factions listed, with some reality warpers (Q, God Emperor.).

[deuterio12]

Originally Posted by Fan

There are multiple star level + beings in all factions listed, with some reality warpers (Q, God Emperor.).

Only in fanfiction. The emprah from 40k had trouble dealing with basic warbosses, who are just big and tough guys that even a skilled human can take down with a single arm. He had some fancy powers yes, but he also needed ships to travel around, tech and servants to get anything done, and is only alive because he's connected to a continent-sized life suport system that needs to be daily fed with souls, and the only pratical effect is him working as a giant light post. That's multiple leagues below "reality warper".

The SW top villains had their plans twarhted by teddy bears and a bunch of poorly organized and horribly outnumbered and outgunned rebels.

[Fan]

Originally Posted by deuterio12

Only in fanfiction. The emprah from 40k had trouble dealing with basic warbosses, who are just big and tough guys that even a skilled human can take down with a single arm. He had some fancy powers yes, but he also needed ships to travel around, tech and servants to get anything done, and is only alive because he's connected to a continent-sized life suport system that needs to be daily fed with souls, and the only pratical effect is him working as a giant light post. That's multiple leagues below "reality warper".

The SW top villains had their plans twarhted by teddy bears and a bunch of poorly organized and horribly outnumbered and outgunned rebels.

Please, please, PLEASE. Read the fiction you're discussing. I presented resources for every single source. There is no excuse here.

He has stopped Time on multiple occasions, slung laser beams out of his eyes that rival the output of stars, tossed the Void Dragon from Earth to Mars and then MADE The Noctis Labyrinth which implies a level of physics defiance not emulated anywhere else in the fiction of 40k. His sword has the ability to rip, and purge the souls of those struck by it, when he fought another Primarch in a fist fight they tossed out unarmed blows that could level mountains. Is a telekinetic Juggernaut to the point of being able to power the Astronomicon while alive, a feat no other living psyker, including the one that threw Titan into the Warp so the Grey Knights could be formed, emulated without dying.

Palpatine was able to create a solar system wide Force Storm that completely erradicated a fleet capable of withstanding GIGATONS of force with their shields alone.

Q, is actually a reality warper. That is his entire point is that he's so advanced it seems like magic.

This isn't fan fiction, I've provided resources for proof of every factions capability. I don't know what 40k you've been reading, but it's not the real one.

Is there some bootleg Bollywood equivalent to 40k, and Starwars I'm missing out on here?

[Soras Teva Gee]

Bright Noa breaks out the Brightslap on Q telling him to fix this nonsense. Q does.

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[Sith_Happens]

The obvious outcome is that within the first fifteen minutes of the confrontation, the entire thing turns into a master-plan-off between Palpatine and Lelouch.

[The Glyphstone]

Originally Posted by Sith_Happens

The obvious outcome is that within the first fifteen minutes of the confrontation, the entire thing turns into a master-plan-off between Palpatine and Lelouch.

A plan-off that Tzeentch had already forseen and accounted for, right?

[Tengu_temp]

Luffy beats up everyone and they become his friends. The end.

[Fan]

Originally Posted by Tengu_temp

Luffy beats up everyone and they become his friends. The end.

Wait..

That's an odd way of spelling Nanoha.

[Emmerask]

Originally Posted by Soras Teva Gee

Bright Noa breaks out the Brightslap on Q telling him to fix this nonsense. Q does.

[/thread]

Hm I kind of agree, Q´s are pretty much the most powerful entities in all of this...
Chaos gods are a problem? just change the laws of the universe so no sentient being can ever come into existence (which also means no chaos gods can come into existence).
Well it will be a very dull universe with no matter at all, if a universe even exists but they would still win since they exist outside the universe (being able to observe the big bang)

[The Glyphstone]

Originally Posted by Emmerask

Hm I kind of agree, Q´s are pretty much the most powerful entities in all of this...
Chaos gods are a problem? just change the laws of the universe so no sentient being can ever come into existence (which also means no chaos gods can come into existence).
Well it will be a very dull universe with no matter at all, if a universe even exists but they would still win since they exist outside the universe (being able to observe the big bang)

Yeah, but then you get into nonlinear temporal existence and time travel (which yes, Q can do) and it just ends up causing headaches for everyone, not to mention paradoxes.

[Morph Bark]

Are we assuming them all to exist in the same universe or going with a "portals" approach? If the former, then we're dealing with a timeline most likely, which would then mean the Space Marines were likely genetically engineered with kekkei genkai and loads of midi-chlorians.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Originally Posted by Tengu_temp

Luffy beats up everyone and they become his friends. The end.

Originally Posted by Fan

Wait..

That's an odd way of spelling Nanoha.

Come on you guys, it's spelled N A R U T O.

[Morph Bark]

Having thought about it again, clearly Cade Skywalker would heal the God-Emperor of Man, who'd then activate his incredible spiral power and spontaneously generate all their powers combined, turn into the Spiral Nemesis, get defeated by the Super Robots, and then the shonen heroes' befriending powers would activate and peace would ensue.

They celebrate by eating shawerma.

[Fan]

Originally Posted by Morph Bark

Having thought about it again, clearly Cade Skywalker would heal the God-Emperor of Man, who'd then activate his incredible spiral power and spontaneously generate all their powers combined, turn into the Spiral Nemesis, get defeated by the Super Robots, and then the shonen heroes' befriending powers would activate and peace would ensue.

They celebrate by eating shawerma.

God Emperor of Mankind Appears, a giant Imperator Titan Forming to fight Getter Emperor: "PSYKANGA OOOOVERLOOOAD."

*Cue interception of a getter beam*

Chapter Master Dante: "God Emperor!"

God Emperor: "Do not mourn for me, for I was once awash in a sea of despair after I lost Horus, trapped on the golden throne I despair'd for what the Imperium had become, but now I see that humanity's true hope lies in those to follow, and if I can give my life for this future. I will gladly do so!"

Ryoma: "Hahaha, you think that will work against us? SHIN SHINE SPAAAARKU."

Magos Mechancius Gastaph: "The emperor's void shields are suffering a psychic breakdown, the getter energy is too much!"

God Emperor: *Absorbs the warp energy and ascends to God hood, granting all his power to Chapter Master Dante who makes a giant Sanguinus mech.*

And that'd be what 40k was like if it was a hot blooded mecha anime.

[Morph Bark]

Originally Posted by Fan

And that'd be what 40k was like if it was a hot blooded mecha anime.

And I'd watch the Warp out of it.

[Sith_Happens]

Originally Posted by Fan

...

And that'd be what 40k was like if it was a hot blooded mecha anime.

And this is why I read these forums.