And it would be a somewhat wrong assessment of the situation. If you check with Mistral, you can confirm, that Amurian Technocracy partitioned the TELEPATH territories to other members of the Coalition, gaining no stats in the end (and you don't get technologies, when you take over a nation). We weren't in this war for the loot.
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Sure because by doing this anything the other countries gained off Telepath is automatically subverted for the Amurian Technocracy.
Why bother looting one country when by passing up the opportunity for gains you can make other countries like you more and set them up to be puppeted later. A little bit of loot now or a lot later.
Both TELEPATH and the Grim should be considered war criminals for their use of chemical weapons on civilians and for defending nations such as Project Utopia and American Hegemony.
That's a pretty inefficient strategy you are describing ArcaneStomper. If I get 4 real stat points, I can use them to quickly take over one nation. If I get 1 subverted point in four nations, they are useless to me, until I subvert those four nations. Which will take so much time, that I'd gain a fortune, if I got 4 real stat points right away.
P.S. And it's not as easy as giving them loot and the like me. Maintaining that coalition was a significant drain on my resources and efforts. Still worth it considering the results, but not without a cost.
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That's a pretty inefficient strategy you are describing ArcaneStomper. If I get 4 real stat points, I can use them to quickly take over one nation. If I get 1 subverted point in four nations, they are useless to me, until I subvert those four nations. Which will take so much time, that I'd gain a fortune, if I got 4 real stat points right away.
P.S. And it's not as easy as giving them loot and the like me. Maintaining that coalition was a significant drain on my resources and efforts. Still worth it considering the results, but not without a cost.
I'd respond with how it could work anyway, but then I realized that I probably shouldn't be giving away strategies.
You can send the plan to Mistral to confirm if it's valid. Because I can't think of any way of making it work.
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I'm glad others have learned from the Great Fleet rule, and that it's called the "Great Fleet rule" .
I'll also add on how odd it is that the Grim and TELEPATH are close friends even though they were on opposing sides in the Hegemony War, the one thing that had in common is both were the only two to use chemical weapons on the civilian populace. Kind of makes them partners in atrocities.
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I just haven't realized Australia was such close allies with TELEPATH, they are willing to fight to the death for them. And now Technorapture is talking with them about something... Probably about making Self-Replicating NanoSwarm to kill us all
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I can ride my bike with no handlebars, no handlebars...
It's just that in order to kill someone in Total War, you also have to eliminate their allies or every other nation that chooses sides in the matter.
I can keep rhythm with no metronome, no metronome...
Well, that depends on how strongly people are allied.
If someone allies with a power that's about to be eliminated so fully that they refuse to see reason and back off, then they're a danger and liability to everyone remaining.
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Well, that depends on how strongly people are allied.
If someone allies with a power that's about to be eliminated so fully that they refuse to see reason and back off, then they're a danger and liability to everyone remaining.
Your still mad that Australia helped stop you invasion of Antarctica that you like to deny so much.
The funny thing is Australia has the biggest claim. We recognize the Grim as the inhabitants of Antarctica regardless of our past claims.
Eh, that's a ridiculously old document about an old treaty. If Britain had a claim in Antarctica based on that we'd have enforced it over a hundred years ago, and at the very least mentioned it to the Grim if we thought it significant.
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The Grim and Telepath were both Hired by opposing sides. We don't really hold it against them. Besides, we kept our troops from going after telepath.
Really? Huh. Well that was silly. We were on opposing sides, after all. No wonder I was able to bomb you so easily...
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Both TELEPATH and the Grim should be considered war criminals for their use of chemical weapons on civilians and for defending nations such as Project Utopia and American Hegemony.
I specified that all reasonable precautions to prevent civilian casualties when I dropped those. Admittedly, one of the dispersion units went astray despite that, but I certainly never used chemical weapons on civilians intentionally.
And the Amurians/their allies killed, to the best of my knowledge, at least a thousand civilian refugees when we were retreating from them, which is far more than the few hundred who died in that unfortunate accident.
Also, we were planning to pay the families of the dead, assist with the medical care of any survivors, and help with the rebuilding of the area. However, we were unable to do so, as all of our resources were then taken up by an invasion.
As for having defended the Hegemony and the Utopia Project, I don't recall ever doing so; I was never associated with the latter, and broke my alliance with the former in the first turn, unlike the Amurians, who remained allies of the Hegemony until its collapse.
With all of that, it looks to me as though the Amurians have done considerably worse things than we have. So why are you ignoring them and condemning me?
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1. TELEPATH has been a major obstacle to the regional stability and peace, that Amurian Technocracy has been working very hard to achieve.
2. They have committed numerous offenses against science, showing no regard for ethics and impact of their research on the state of the world.
Aside from assisting with the Hegemonic War, we've been peacefully sitting on our island doing research. We did get attacked twice, but unless you claim that by starting a war and giving our lands to the people who did so, you're preventing them from attacking us again, and thus our existence itself was an obstacle, in which case I rather doubt that you'll find anyone else who agrees that that's a good strategy, I hardly think we've been opposing your goal of regional stability and peace.
Your second claim is equally odd. Do you refer to cybernetics when you say that we have had no regard for ethics and the effect on the state of the world in our research? I'm sure that Gaul and the Varunas will be quite interested to hear that, considering that they have even better cybernetics than we do. Power armor? The Soviet Directorate might have something to say on the matter. Psionics are the only thing we've researched that others - who you, so far as we can tell, have not censured for such things - don't already have, and Project Earth, who I'm sure you had no intention of slandering in such a manner, approached us about getting those, and when we turned them down because we didn't want to lose our head start, began their own research into it.
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Damn you and your comprehensive understanding of synergistic tactics. :|
I don't remember the Amurian Technocracy backing Hegemony. Maybe a "play nice kids!" from the other side of the world, but no military or espionage action taken to aid them that I can recall. My apologies, I forgot that you didn't aid the Hegemony. You just turned your cloak last minute.
The Grim and TELEPATH are tied for the worst reputation out of all PCs. 'nuff said, am I right?
I love being left out of the Economic Pact talks... which I thought I was part of. Apparently not though.
I'll just be over here, getting my nation ready to die. Good to know I have no allies at all in this game.
I'd help ya, but have to try and keep Telepath alive, and boost me rep.
Also, if you think your screwed, the Grim can loan you a compound. You just have to report to the Ethics Counsil we set up. And we'll be inviting Project earth to sit on that one.
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You'd be guests of a people who take hospilaty very seriously. RPing honor and stuff like that. Besides.... if you plan on nuking people.... tell us and we'll sell 'em our silverworm services.
And something I've been meaning to ask. The nanites seemed to break down quite a bit, so how much did me worms handle?
Edit; And the laughing gas was a nonlethal weapon. We could have used tear gas, but thought making them laugh till they couldn't fight back was more humane
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TELEPATH was founded by a criminal group that conned and stole equipment to accomplish their goals seizing their territories in the post-war confusion. Many of their scientists were coerced into joining their organization by taking advantage of their plight – starving man can be convinced to sign up for pretty much anything. It’s true that allegedly the said group is no longer in control of TELEPATH, but these shady origins would leave their mark.
TELEPATH has proven to be a mercenary nation, willing to break an alliance with Hegemony for a modest reward. They have employed chemical weapons and conducted unethical experiments in their facilities.
TELEAPTH has avoided building bonds of peace with the nations of the Asia. They have acted overly secretive for a simple innocent nation.
Psionics would be a fairly dangerous tech in the hands of a rouge state like TELEPATH, which added to the already present concerns. Project Earth appears to be a fairly respectable state, that would use such dangerous technology with proper prudence.
Economic Pact - Gaul
I’ve always assumed you joined the pact simply to benefit from joint research opportunities and had little interest in supporting us militarily or politically. I use Economic Pact channels from time to time to conduct talks about Asian regional issues, and since you aren’t actually aligned with our interests, I saw no reason to include you in those types of discussions.
And I simply don’t see you as allies, since I don't know your agenda, don't share ideology or common enemies with Gaul and you haven’t aided me in projects I care about, although you dismissal of Grim’s offer is a positive. All I’ve got are three statements of Gaul sneaky spying stuff on nations, that weren’t their enemies. I don’t know, how true are they, but that’s all I’ve got. The only reason you don't have allies, is that you didn't really try to make any.
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