BTW, Legend is NOT Europe. Albion is NOT England. Whilst it is an analogue of the real world settings, it is most clearly its own setting. To get them confused is just asking for trouble, take it that Legend was inspired, but leave it as that, inspiration.
Women adventurers, whilst uncommon are not unheard of.
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And, I take it that in your degree of history, they forgot to cover crime and punishment.... releasing a criminal from the stocks. LOLZburgers!
BTW, Legend is NOT Europe. Albion is NOT England. Whilst it is an analogue of the real world settings, it is most clearly its own setting. To get them confused is just asking for trouble, take it that Legend was inspired, but leave it as that, inspiration.
True, but I think one of the intentions and strengths of the setting is that you can explore our own world's past and culture in a way that you can't with FR or Eberron. That said, one way our version of Legend differs is that women are more liberated and have more opportunities. That's for the best, I think.
I did already see your PM, it just can take a few hours in some cases since I'm busy most hours of the day besides very late at night, and the odd 15 minutes here and there when I can post in threads.
That's a great list, Ralasha, thanks for that. It's a tragedy that so many important women have been overlooked, even if war is not the best way to distinguish oneself.
Yep, just about every single culture on earth had female warriors. I was just pointing out that you were wrong about 'women's place' until around the mid to late 16th century when a certain powerful organization decided that women are the root of all evil. Before that period women enjoyed near equality, and in certain circumstances a higher degree of respect and social standing. Such as within the nation of Leon.
Leon is now a part of spain.
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True, but I think one of the intentions and strengths of the setting is that you can explore our own world's past and culture in a way that you can't with FR or Eberron.
Correct, there are definite similarities, but at the same time it is its own setting. What was standard in one (our history) does not make it standard in the other (Legend). Use one for inspiration, but it's not limited by real world policies or attitudes.
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I did already see your PM, it just can take a few hours in some cases since I'm busy most hours of the day besides very late at night, and the odd 15 minutes here and there when I can post in threads.
Just making sure that the forums weren't playing up with it not displaying. I've had that happen, where a player in one of the PbP games I'm running wasn't responding on RPOL. He wasn't logging on. I tried contacting him here via PM's. Finally after 4 days, I kicked him and replaced, then I found out that the PM's weren't displaying for him here.
Still, he should have been logging onto RPOL and checking, which he obviously had time to do since he was posting up massive posts on homebrew necromancer-styled classes here.
I was just pointing out that you were wrong about 'women's place'
Quite right, having your misconceptions pointed out is always the best way to grow.
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Correct, there are definite similarities, but at the same time it is its own setting. What was standard in one (our history) does not make it standard in the other (Legend). Use one for inspiration, but it's not limited by real world policies or attitudes.
Exactly.
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I take 12 hours off and miss a whole debate! Ho-hum.
I love the Legend setting too because I can visualise the analogues of different locations (Maidens Vale = Lancashire Moors for example) and it makes them much more real to me.
Women were surprisingly empowered and independant at this time in our history. If you were rich, or titled, you could control your life in almost every respect. Queen Matilda is a good example of a women giving it to the man! What you may not be aware of is how much stuff the Victorian Historians re-wrote, or simply made up becasue it didn't fit their world view.
Boudicae/Bodi-see-a is the perfect example of such interference.
What is not in question though, is that ill-advised decisions still get nasty consequences, whatever gender you are!
I just got the rulebook today. I started choking when I was reading it. So... Halflings, elves, dwarves, and orcs huh?
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Boudicca also isn't from here. Which the GM knows.
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Boudicca said the Gods don't have any power, which is not Heresy but Doctrine. Only the One True God and The Saviour have omnipotent power.
But being a foreigner does not make you exempt from Heresy. All the best burning involve Northern Pagans, they just seem to burn better.
No really; Outright Heresy, sorcery, witchcraft, or even giving the local priest back-chat can get you chased up a tree and set fire too!
I just got the rulebook today. I started choking when I was reading it. So... Halflings, elves, dwarves, and orcs huh?
I read this fairly recent interview with the creators where they were talking about certain aspects they ended up putting in due to editorial pressure, namely the Tolkien stuff. In any case, you'll never encounter a halfling or orc here, since they don't exist.
In my particular setting, elfs are considered something along the lines of fairies, i.e. something existing somewhere between here and there. Though "fairy" is an insult. They have no nations, at least earthly ones.
Dwarfs are never seen, but only heard in mines and the like, banging on the walls. Sometimes people leave them food to stop them collapsing the mine or flooding it. In some areas they are called knockers, due to the sounds that they make in the earth. They might have something like a nation or nations, but if so, it would be so deep underground that nobody knows anything about it.
I hope that sets your mind at ease.
As for heresy, I think Boudicca has been in Albion long enough to know that the Albish don't take very kindly to other belief systems. It's a dangerous time to be different. Please keep that in mind.
Now, are people heading on, or are you just going to stand around talking forever? I think Grail at least wants to continue.
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Ralasha, it's cool that you're keen, but please try not to evoke some kind of witchcraft.
I clearly indicated my conversation took place after you left.
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Barclyffe shook his head as the female knight walked off....... <snip>
And to address your concerns OOC;
A) we don't know he's a tyrant without first going to find out
B) not all people who usurp a position are by default a tyrant
C) not all tyrants bully, torture or murder everyone under them
D) He has nothing to gain, because she is nobody of consequence and has nothing of value.
Now, please, you've said your piece, I'm addressing the NPC whilst you're away so we don't keep going around in pointless circles. We both have differing views, that's fine and it makes for good roleplaying, but it's not if you just keep going over the same point.
To town, having conviction and being foolish are separate actions.
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I'm back! Sorry I was gone. Also, my intelligence of 12 is my best attribute! Maybe I should switch it with my strength to better represent what it seems to be like IC?
It's fine. You were stupid due to the concussion received from hitting your head on the rock. You're now fully recovered. And thanks to the medicinal skills of Mother Clay, the injuries are still a little painful but haven't actually reduced your health points. Unfortunately she'll be leaving the group soon, so further injuries will take their normal toll. You can begin posting again as normal.
Ralasha, I just noticed that you have some extra equipment besides the bedroll that isn't standard, yet you still have 25F.
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I've come down with a bad flu myself, and I'm not thinking quite straight right now, so the posts will probably come a bit slower for a day or two.
I'm hoping Christopher Loh will finally come back and introduce their character, since that's obviously him in the corner there. That will keep you busy for a little while.
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It's really disheartening when the sorcerer and mystic are both stronger than the knight, barbarian and the assassin.
Sorry, just noticed this one. I guess I should have been a little more generous with rerolls, but I don't think there's really much I can do about it at this stage. Are you quite unhappy about it?
No, not unhappy as such, it's just a bit.... odd. The Knight, the Barbarian especially having lower strengths than the two bookworms, actually having lower than the strength of an average man?.
But that's the problem with dice rolling for attributes, especially if it is a straight 3d6.
I've come down with a bad flu myself, and I'm not thinking quite straight right now, so the posts will probably come a bit slower for a day or two.
Get better.
I'm still feeling pretty under the weather. I've had this now since Tuesday, went home Tuesday arvo and have been in bed mostly since then. Sunday evening (well Monday morning - 12:50am) now, and I'm still crook. Just lying here in bed unable to sleep since that's all Ive been doing the last 5 odd days.
Christopher Loh, that yellow speech colour is pretty much unreadable. Would you mind changing it to something else? You can have anything an NPC has already used, I'm happy to change whatever they're currently using.
Grail, what are you sick with? That sounds pretty bad.
No, not unhappy as such, it's just a bit.... odd. The Knight, the Barbarian especially having lower strengths than the two bookworms, actually having lower than the strength of an average man?.
But that's the problem with dice rolling for attributes, especially if it is a straight 3d6.
Yup... straight 3d6 is always an issue. Point buy system removes the problem but creates another set of issues.
1) Min maxing
Most players will arrange it to be in steps of 3 to maximise the scores bonus. Like 9 or 13... Certain scores will be all or nothing like 16 Int or just 7...
2) Identical clones if two player characters are the same class.
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Grail, what are you sick with? That sounds pretty bad.
Just the flu, but it's hit me pretty hard.
Of course, it's even worse since I've got to be careful of pneumonia, had it a couple years back and it really knocked the crap out of me.
Yup... straight 3d6 is always an issue. Point buy system removes the problem but creates another set of issues.
1) Min maxing
Most players will arrange it to be in steps of 3 to maximise the scores bonus. Like 9 or 13... Certain scores will be all or nothing like 16 Int or just 7...
2) Identical clones if two player characters are the same class.
Agreed.
I like the idea of something like 19d6 that the player can distribute to the primary attributes as they see fit, with a maximum of 5d6 and a minimum of 3d6. In all circumstances, take best 3.
So for eg:
STR (5d6b3)[9]
REF (4d6b3)[9]
INT (3d6b3)[11]
PyT (4d6b3)[12]
Looks (3d6b3)[13]
Characters can then after this is done, one time only, subtract 2 points from any single attribute and raise another attribute by 2. A player cannot subtract points from Looks in this way, but may increase it.
EDIT: Crappy rolls, but at least I had a chance to affect them, I then choose to take 2 points out of INT and put it into STR.
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