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Old 07-13-2012, 05:36 PM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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My character is now a Synad, not a Kalashtar. Both are strange but I like the Synad more
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What level of optimization do you, and the other players, prefer to play with?

Dragon magazine allowed on case by case basis?

Do you want us to detail city defenses?

Do we have a "budget" for our nations like Drack's game? Or just be reasonable.

Monstrous cohorts allowed like a dragon? How would I calculate that... My cohort will be lvl 17 so... CR 17? Other?

Not sure if I'm doing it wrong but my math doesn't match yours for the LA buyoff. I don't usually play with it so wanna get this straight:
La+2 means you have to have 6 class levels to buy one off. You take your ECL of 8, subtract one and multiply by 1000. That's 7k xp.
Now you need 3 more levels to buy the other one off. So now you have 9 class levels. You take your ECL of 10, subtract 1, and multiply by 1000. That's 9k xp.
Combine those two for a total of 16k xp leaving you with 4k xp into level 26.

Did I do that correctly?
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when you say everything you mean every spell, item, feat, character name, eye color, and class?

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What level of optimization do you, and the other players, prefer to play with?

Dragon magazine allowed on case by case basis?

Do you want us to detail city defenses?

Do we have a "budget" for our nations like Drack's game? Or just be reasonable.

Monstrous cohorts allowed like a dragon? How would I calculate that... My cohort will be lvl 17 so... CR 17? Other?

Not sure if I'm doing it wrong but my math doesn't match yours for the LA buyoff. I don't usually play with it so wanna get this straight:
La+2 means you have to have 6 class levels to buy one off. You take your ECL of 8, subtract one and multiply by 1000. That's 7k xp.
Now you need 3 more levels to buy the other one off. So now you have 9 class levels. You take your ECL of 10, subtract 1, and multiply by 1000. That's 9k xp.
Combine those two for a total of 16k xp leaving you with 4k xp into level 26.

Did I do that correctly?
I'm cool with most op, though I'll probably be around what I consider mid-low op just because I'm using a constraining homebrew class

Defenses: in my game you make them on the off chance someone attacks you or uses a spy network to get a measure of your defenses. (especially the former, but more likely the latter)

LA buyoff: looks right to me.

Edit: also Bel, what are your views on the magic lands/quests/ect in end of each of the complete series and the DMGII magic events? Also what of elder evils (grants 1+1/5levels free feats from a list for worshiping them, and pacts with demons for your soul in exchange for benefit (FC 2 I believe). I ask these together since they have similar premises, though I'd check them out as three groups.
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Bel, taken Dweomerkeeper to epic levels (advances 2 abilities, mantle does nothing since I'm a sorcerer, more supernatural spells per day), what bonus feat progression/selection do you feel is appropriate?

I assume the slowest but whats the list? Getting epic leadership this way would be awesome since then I could pickup mythic sovereign or something like that.

Dweomerkeeper is in the build purely so I can supernatural permanency on teleportation circle. I want to set up all the fairy gates

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LA buyoff: looks right to me.
So does that mean we're getting the BelGareth special at 13,000 (instead of 16)? If that's the case what would LA+4 look like, Bel?

How this functions will affect whether or not I request a template.

Oh! Also thanks for inviting me to your game

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Old 07-13-2012, 06:46 PM   Top  -  End  -  #11
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So does that mean we're getting the BelGareth special at 13,000 (instead of 16)? If that's the case what would LA+4 look like, Bel?

How this functions will affect whether or not I request a template.

Oh! Also thanks for inviting me to your game
Your calculations are correct, the LA buyoff for LA+2 is worth 16k, you get 20k to play with.

Other questions will be answered/approved tomorrow morning.
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Trust me, while I closed the thread to recruitment I've been handing out personal invite like candy at a parade. (you know how it is, I only threw a cap on the number of players to keep from hitting a hundred before the end of the week )
Uhhh.... you didn't invite me to your nations game?

Besides, I was talking to Bel. Thank you BELGERETH for inviting me to play in your game.

It's not all about you Drack, gosh! Haha
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Ah, I've lost track of who I invited. anywho that works too *deletes post*
(that's the problem with naming your game after the one that you stole the idea from )
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Reposting Nation and things for my easy reference.
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You're not alone, I can't raw well at all on a computer, and my computer doesn't have scanning software installed, so I just do graphs
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Nehekhara sits in the midst of the coastline of the great Arakian Desert, near the Crispiun Sea. It is a land surrounded on three sides by endless wastes of sand, and on the fourth by salt water. Its inhabitants sail forth on galleys crewed by slaves on missions of trade and plunder. Many an adventurer has woken from a hard night at the inn to find themselves chained to an oar, naked.

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In Nehekhara, the word of the godking is law, applied to the populace via his elite cadre of Judges, attended by their Enforcers. Penalties are harsh, but none worse than the Shrivening.

Reserved for only the vilest of traitors, the offender is flayed of all the skin on his body, every last inch, and rolled in rock salt. Finally, after he has died, his corpse is animated as an intelligent undead, then buried in the desert. Due to this punishment having been in use for literally millennia, Nehekhara has a massive reserve force of buried undead for use as a last resort defense.

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Nehekhara is a vibrant city of trade, but none so flourishes here than slavery. The slave markets of Nehekhara are world renowned as both the place to go for anything or anyone a heart may desire and as the cornerstone of a trade that inflicts suffering the world over. Many are the villages depopulated by the slavers of Nehekhara, many are the countries and empires that simultaneously make use of their cheap labor and curse them for profiting from the misery of the world.

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"There are no gods, only the Godking."

This is the mantra that every single citizen of Nehekhara lives by. By their abject worship, the Godking __________ seems to thrive, for he has not aged a day in the memories of all but the longest lived residents of Nehekhara. There is a great wyrm blue dragon in the sands of Arak who can remember when he took the throne over the bodies of his brothers, and recalls the cold and calculating nature. "This is a man who should have been one of us", the wyrm often remarks.


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I'll add more to this as I come up with it this weekend, but so far, here's what I'm gonna want.

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Probably more than a few items.

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The Sherezem and Sherezem-lar feats, reflavored to be for male members of the royal household. The male only feat from that book will be reflavored to female members of the royal family, who prize physical fitness over magical strength.

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The Godking PrC

For my first cohort, General Ratapesh:

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Old 07-14-2012, 10:17 AM   Top  -  End  -  #21
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I was asking if they exist in your setting.
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I was asking if they exist in your setting.
Ah, well some suck and some are ok, so I guess, which ones were you looking for?
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Hmm, mostly they just looked interesting, though I do like the necromantic energy squid and nature magical events and boccob's library though I can't really use the last one and the middle one would requite a good deal of minions devoted to it, or to be an NPC held thing, it does fit my theme rather well.
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General Ratapesh-

Since you're increasing the requirements and making at least three levels of that class epic, can I drop the Leadership prerequisite on the class, then?

Second Cohort-

Through the Godking's Attract Viceroy class feature. Every time I get that class feature, at 5th level and every five levels thereafter, I get another cohort, with each being five levels below the previous cohort. So I get the General, the Queen at five levels below him, then at 10th level, I get another at 10 levels below the General.
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My stuff:
The teleporter base class (here)
Spell compendium spells (duh)
A couple custom magic items (tba)
This feat chain (It's not essential to me at all, it just is really cool)
The loremaster and horizon walker prcs from the DMG

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when you say everything you mean every spell, item, feat, character name, eye color, and class?
(basically how much "everything" is it tat you want run by you?)
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General Ratapesh-

Since you're increasing the requirements and making at least three levels of that class epic, can I drop the Leadership prerequisite on the class, then? Yes

Second Cohort-

Through the Godking's Attract Viceroy class feature. Every time I get that class feature, at 5th level and every five levels thereafter, I get another cohort, with each being five levels below the previous cohort. So I get the General, the Queen at five levels below him, then at 10th level, I get another at 10 levels below the General.
Hmmm, okay, seems I missed that, I'll ok the Godking with no attract Viceroy ability, sorry if that makes it unusable....

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The teleporter base class (here) - Allowed with no "Hostile Teleportation"
Spell compendium spells (duh) - Yup
A couple custom magic items (tba) - Yup
This feat chain (It's not essential to me at all, it just is really cool) - Those are cool, yes.
The loremaster and horizon walker prcs from the DMG - good to go.

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Whoops, seems we missed this one.

(basically how much "everything" is it tat you want run by you?)
Everything crunch wise, I don't need to ominus dominus the color of your guys hair.
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Making something that's both a functional bard and an ur-priest is HARD!

Here's a preliminary List:

Prestige Classes:
Spelldancer PrC (Magic of Faerun)
UrPriest (Complete Divine)
Fochlucan Lyrist (Complete Adventurer)
Still working on an epic progression

Grafts (probably aboleth, maybe undead)

Chaos Shuffling of a couple of feats one requirements for a prestige class have been met.
Spending skill points to acquire Druidic as a language, or perhaps waiving the requirement for Fochlucan Lyrist.

For the cohort:
Water Genasi (Forgotten Realms)
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Hmmm, okay, seems I missed that, I'll ok the Godking with no attract Viceroy ability, sorry if that makes it unusable....

Awwwwwwwww......

Hmmmmm, might have to rewrite, then. (Doesn't make it unusable, just not a lot to benefit me taking it. I'll splash one level, though.)

Quick, need your opinion! You already approved Dragonspeaker Sovereign, so would Dragon Overlord or Wilderness Incarnate be acceptable?
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Everything crunch wise, I don't need to ominus dominus the color of your guys hair.
you sure, that nearly killed the last DM I had that did that, and he was more active on the forums. (let me reiterate, it's not that he nearly died, so much as that he was so overwhelmed with the influx that the last bits of his sanity were waning as a co-DM finally stepped up to take the torch while he screwed his head back on right. (I am always suspicious of such ambitious DMs)

anywho sent you a quick list of arcane spells had lying around from that game. I may send the divine depending on how my cohort ends up. Also do feats like dragon cohort and wild cohort count as multiple cohorts? (the latter is more of a weaker animal companion and the former... well not much to say on that one )

Edit: anywho I'll be taking it slow as I've been doing more and more lately for the sake of your sanity.
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