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Old 07-30-2012, 07:03 PM   Top  -  End  -  #151
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You know I may have missed it at some point, but who controls Allscross?
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:07 PM   Top  -  End  -  #152
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Since when did the blackfist have a good name? They're anarchist for crying out loud!
Well, they did start the game with a positive REP, which hasn't really changed yet.

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You know I may have missed it at some point, but who controls Allscross?
I must have deleted that entry when I was going through and updating the NPC descriptions. My apologies. It should be there now.
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:08 PM   Top  -  End  -  #153
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Since when did the blackfist have a good name? They're anarchist for crying out loud!
He has 1 reputation. He must have done something good.

Hmm... no reputation gained for trying to reduce civilian casualties. I'll just keep at it I guess.
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:12 PM   Top  -  End  -  #154
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K, Murksa, might not be able to provide effective air support. Just developing that tech after all. But will provide ground and tech support.
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:20 PM   Top  -  End  -  #155
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If you can get that Esp support, that'd be the most useful thing. I don't want to wander into a nuclear mine.
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:26 PM   Top  -  End  -  #156
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'Yet'. So you are intending to.

Were you thinking to release political prisoners (I see no reason the wardens wouldn't have released those themselves), or recruit criminals to your cause (damaging your good name) ?
Both, really. Recruiting political prisoners. I mean, there should be some anarchists and revolutionaries in there.
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Old 07-30-2012, 08:22 PM   Top  -  End  -  #157
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I hate to make things more confusing, but t.WEL is a 1 turn wealth boost, right? I may have a bounty to place here.
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Old 07-30-2012, 08:28 PM   Top  -  End  -  #158
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I hate to make things more confusing, but t.WEL is a 1 turn wealth boost, right? I may have a bounty to place here.
Sort of. Each turn, your Wealth stat generates temporary Wealth (t.WEL) equal to the stat, which you then spend/trade/save up/whatever. t.WEL is actual coin, while Wealth is sources of revenue.
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:09 AM   Top  -  End  -  #159
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He has 1 reputation. He must have done something good.

Hmm... no reputation gained for trying to reduce civilian casualties. I'll just keep at it I guess.
You don't get Rep for *trying* to *reduce* civilian casualties. Not killing civilians is just a thing you should be doing in general.
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:26 AM   Top  -  End  -  #160
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You don't get Rep for *trying* to *reduce* civilian casualties. Not killing civilians is just a thing you should be doing in general.
Well, I tried to reduce them, and probably failed. The Tong started using civilian as human shields once they realised we weren't willing to kill them. We still won, but I don't know how many civilians died.

Though, I expect the Tong would have killed them later anyway. Freezing people seems to be a thing of theirs.
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:42 AM   Top  -  End  -  #161
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Hwey, is the EBSA meeting coming down now?
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:15 PM   Top  -  End  -  #162
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Old 08-01-2012, 01:10 PM   Top  -  End  -  #163
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For a moment there, I feared we might actually find a peaceful solution in this game. Good to see that we are back on track.
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Old 08-01-2012, 02:06 PM   Top  -  End  -  #164
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Writing up a response. May take a bit to get all the facts and such straight.
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Old 08-01-2012, 02:35 PM   Top  -  End  -  #165
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Gotta say, I'm really loving all the political discussion going on here. Takes me back to the constitutional scholar stuff I did in high school.

Just some general background notes:

Democracies do exist in the world, but they are mostly in the Merchant's Water and they are nowhere near what we, today, would call an actual democracy--think more like Athens than America. They have a reputation for mob rule, tyranny of the majority and corruption, and to most democracy is a dirty word.

Anarchy, as a concept, is not seen much, and most tend to associate it with democracy.

The sorceress Desoui did not, per se, have a City Guard patrolling the streets. Theoretically, all the various neighborhood watches and guards funded by the Guilds and merchants did report to an authority in the palace, but the main tool of her law enforcement was the Heartspear Secret Police, who are universally hated and feared. At some point I'll be posting the public stats of the NPCs who made it past the first couple turns, but until then know that the Heartspears' REP is -8. As such, reassembling the city-wide authorities of the previous administration, while a noble goal, may be difficult.
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Old 08-01-2012, 02:47 PM   Top  -  End  -  #166
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Well that information just made the EBSA look kind of ignorant. I wonder when the edit will come.
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Old 08-01-2012, 02:51 PM   Top  -  End  -  #167
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Ow. This game just got intense this week- the week I have no computer naturally. Keeping up on my ipod is hard, and my thumb hurts now.
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Old 08-01-2012, 02:51 PM   Top  -  End  -  #168
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Indeed it does. Hmpf.
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Old 08-01-2012, 02:55 PM   Top  -  End  -  #169
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Indeed it does. Hmpf.
Sorry about that. Most cities in this particular era didn't really have a citywide guard, and between Desoui not wanting any force with control over the entire city aside from her and my need to explain why there isn't anyone trying to stop all the neighborhood invasions and street fights, I decided to avoid the standard fantasy cliche. If it helps any, I'd think that most people would assume you're talking about the various neighborhood watch organizations--the Market Guard, Milford Standing Guard, Roper's Watch, etc.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:17 PM   Top  -  End  -  #170
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You know, I think this is the only Total War I've played where the IC is longer than the OOC.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:23 PM   Top  -  End  -  #171
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Guess that means Zem is doing his job.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:35 PM   Top  -  End  -  #172
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That's because we have made argument IC. From my experiencing, its bickering that lengthens the OOC thread
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:40 PM   Top  -  End  -  #173
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Well, if we can ever get those printing presses out, we have several groups who seem to be excelling at propoganda. I'm sure that the brilliance of a city-wide watch, as well as democracy, can be taught to the people.

Also, for what it's worth, Athens was about as close to a democracy as the US is, just in a different way - technically we're a republic, with representatives who do the actual voting (also, technically, what the Revolution wants). Switzerland is the truest form of democracy that I know of in the world, where they still occasionally bring everyone in a city into the square to vote on things.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:44 PM   Top  -  End  -  #174
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Apropos of nothing, this sort of popped into my head while thinking about this last turn, so I drew it. Sort of a visual summary of the turn.

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Where did the cool technical rifle guy come into play?
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:08 PM   Top  -  End  -  #176
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The Technists guild deines any and all involvement in the Rifles. Please ignore them. Look! A Obvoius distraction! (A robot is on fire)
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:45 PM   Top  -  End  -  #177
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Where did the cool technical rifle guy come into play?
That's one of Wyat Embler's boys, armed with a flintlock musket and Verdan Operator equipment.

Also pictured: the wizard Silas Mok, a sinister execution, the ice elf Tong freezing some poor bastard, an orator giving a speech, a burning flag and a Blackfist mob, along with some random coins and weapons thrown in for flavor.
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:49 PM   Top  -  End  -  #178
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So Grimsage, are you gonna be able to get the presses out this turn, or will it take time to build them again? when it comes time for EoTs, I don't wanna send a protection party for something that wont be here for 2 turn.
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Old 08-02-2012, 06:08 AM   Top  -  End  -  #179
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Switzerland is the truest form of democracy that I know of in the world, where they still occasionally bring everyone in a city into the square to vote on things.
Not really. Zurich has a million citizens, that would just not be practicable. It's only done anymore in one canton*. The smallest one, up in the mountain, where they only have about 10'000 people in the entire canton, so usually about 1000 people who are able to vote actually show up.

It's still a direct democracy, though. We don't technically have a president or prime minister, and we get to vote on all legislation, up to and including the constitution.

*equivalent to an American state
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Old 08-02-2012, 10:09 AM   Top  -  End  -  #180
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I actually did know that they didn't still do that in places like Zurich, but not how few places actually did. Kinda sad that it's not done anymore, since (no offense) it's one of the few things American's learn about Switzerland, other than the fact that it's always neutral and has the best banks. Oh, and most people recognize the Swiss Guards at the Vatican.

Still, I can't think of another country that has ever manged to be as direct a democracy as Switzerland, and I'm a historian. Even Athens elected leaders who then decided things until the next election.
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