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... how did I forget I'm using CANDY and SPANKY
anywho I may have asked something like paramind, but it's basically advanced (I'd be taking either for the abilities), and would likely get the same answer anyways. I'm cool if no, just testing the waters so to speak.
anywho fair to assume no dual casting progressions?
Can I start with undead pre-made?
Are you OK with the combining item rules, or case by case? (1+1.5* extra for adding slots, and 1+.75+.5* for like slotless)
The stuff from the basic books is OK right?
Anywho my background stuff is here, hope you don't get too bored.
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... if it makes you feel any better the guy hung himself from a tree and allowed himself to slowly die, and in doing so upset the balance of the world allowing witchcraft to gain strength in a cycle... so he kinda killed himself too.
quick replacement backstory
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Many commonly wonder how it is that CANDY so easily traverses all the realities there are to behold. Many have asked him what form of sorcery it is that allows such miracles, and yet every time they are met with various long words from which they generally take away that the spark is fed energy and has something to do with something called a non-linear shift across a dimensional axis whatever that is supposed to mean. Clearly the man misunderstands the gifts of sorcery the gods have given him.
In any case The mountain folk of Dul-Kashtile were ill at ease as space fractured throughout the village, and it didn't help that the space at the center began to form into dissociating cubeuals before shattering to reveal the odd beings that walked through as if nothing were amiss. A girl who looked to be fleshy lobs held together by naught but black thread leans forwards whispering something into the ear of man at front who is garbed in an odd open ended white robe with pants as dark as night, a shirt as white as the pants were dark below the strange robe. Visible within an emerald greed tie hing loosely from his neck. His hair a ruddy white scattered about and unkempt, yet ever far from his face the man looks about almost as if in a trance holding what appears to be three wine bottles.
Suddenly turning on his heel he speaks with an abomination behind him. "That Yachulich dragongrass tea was the best I've ever had, and not something with which to wipe your excrement. I swear...!" the last of it was drowned out as the man poured something from one of the bottles into another causing a massive explosion. Slowly the dust swirled and formed fitting into a far larger being before dissipating as a gentile breeze tore through it as if it were truly the simple dust it seemed to be.
By the time that people began to tear their attention from the odd blast the group had taken a seat at a local pub and had begun speaking of an odd dessert called a "doughnut". Startled by this news the keeper of the establishment eagerly inquired if such a nut truly existed. Why planting one in his yard he would be without need of a baker for all but the winter seasons! Turning at the interruption the small group laughed before entering a vigorous debate as to whether or not a "jelly, cream, or custard filling" as they called them, took away or added to the odd seed. Naturally the villagers were quite frantic to be done with them when they began furthermore to begin speaking of drizzles and icings... By the time they had begun filling the children heads with thoughts of light fluffy glazed goodness the villagers told them that it was time they left. Oddly enough they did one other thing that while less talked about was far more important then anyone would ever know. They chopped down aunt Gretta's sapling.
Why Gretta was in such a huff! Afterwards they had celebrated claiming to have done it, this great act of heroism that would live on for all eternity. Gretta had angrily broken in on their merrymaking demanding payment for the tree and telling them off for their play at "great heroics" "Heroes? Heroes?! Don't make me laugh you fools!" Tears streaming down her face she had pinned the small man to her house throwing her body weight to hold him, spraying his face with spittle as she bitterly recalled how all her seven daughters had been taken by bandits, and likely after being raped and subjugated to countless cruelties were either sold to slavery, or eaten in the cannibal nations of Gartun. "...and as if that isn't enough my sons, all fools took their blades and chased after the brigands. They were found the next day along a tree, leaving me the wretch who was both fool enough to believe them and weak enough to have let my daughters be taken in the first place. Leaving me alone with nothing but the endless terrors of recollection. And yet upon that tree was a single seed..." As it turns out the sapling was her only memorial to her children, her daughters long gone, and her sons so revenged by scavengers that naught had remained. And all the wile the thin man stood there pinned to the wall with a large grin upon his face as if her pains were nothing, and this the height of fun. When she asked him what it was that was "So goddam hum-erous about her pain" To this it is said he exclaimed "All of it... Life!"
Never once did anyone consider even the vaguest possibility that in the distant future a small fort would be built in the region to repel raids from the lowlands, and would soon grow to a large fortress with that one young sapling growing to a massive oak upon which the king's daughter's cat Shaggles would often climb only to find himself stuck and in peril. They had never fathomed that in that in the moment of a great attack on the fort Not once did they consider that the princess would turn from the teleportation circle intended to save the royalty for the sake of that cat, and not once had they considered that their distant decedent's would all perish and find slow painful graves as a result of a king's all consuming grief over loosing his only child.
In the eventual day in which the people were saved hailing their king a savior, the mysterious troop had long since been forgotten by the whole of the world, off to another in which they learned of the great art to stringing haltung bands with glass beads.
CANDY
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SPANKY (cohort if we're allowed one, otherwise I'll build it into the character mechanics...)
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(trust me you don't want to see the original SPANKY picture... chances are you'll loose all your cookies.
CANDY
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Carlose Amperstine Nagravodose the Darmagon (fifth lord) of Yuklysdan, Otherwise known as CANDY Was born and raised in a gray skied providence named Yuklysdan in which he was overthrown at the age of two, and ended up on the streets. For all of his life he was kept alive, confined to the town as equal parts hostage and symbol, keeping allying lands from invading and reminding them of their great conquest. All the same CANDY didn't truly care for the throne, he quickly immersed himself in books and by age ten he began collecting laboratory equipment from which he built a lab in a crypt where nobody would bother him, still he would stroll around town such that the villagers could toss scum at him, and brag. He tolerated as he had learned that allowing them pride in that fact would help keep him off the spit. Soon they tired of it and he began showing himself less and less until finally he lived only in his crypt libratory in which he experimented from dawn to dusk. For years and years he researched, and when he finally emerged he found that nearly a century had passed and he had become an old man. He had finally begun to make great progress and required far more than he could ever get through his suppliers, now he roamed around town as a bedraggled old man in a ragged coat crossing town at a break neck pace on moonlit knights purchasing odd chemicals. Soon all the villagers began to fear him, and many no longer remembering their Darmagon began to call him a dark spirit and a madman. Well they were right on one point, and soon on the other as well as one night (or was it day, by than he had lost all care for the world so absorbed in his maddening experiments was he) he finally did it, transcended mortality itself. For the next five centuries he continued his experiments before the villagers finally started a witch hunt. Undaunted CANDY faced the mob taking many blows that would fell a man, loosing limbs, and even his head at one point, but by virtue of his newfound immortality CANDY triumphed and used them for experimentation, raising them all, yet his methods still required the corpse to be freshly deceased. For time untold CANDY experimented in that lab until finally he caught wind of a new form of alchemy called ‘science’ In days he was traveling the world meeting with the greatest minds in the world, passing off some of his lesser discoveries to them in exchange for pertinent information for his newer experiments. Soon the world it’s self was far changed having somehow become round and finite people crowded every corner. He learned the new language and through his research in a fields of physics associated with inter-dimensional travel he began crossing multiverses, he collected knowledge of all sorts of sciences and found new trendy cloths (like a plain white lab coat adapted from the straight jacket which had been the common confinement mechanism for geniuses in one world).
SPANKY (possible cohort)
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Sarah Patrick Antoinette of the New Kerthan Yamanese (similar to a foundation, or trust in a world in which corporations were essentially countries themselves) otherwise known as SPANKY was once a rather morbid mortician growing up in a family of morticians viewing life as one of those simple things that came a went daily without change. That is until she met CANDY. One day SPANKY was examining an odd corpse when her new assistant stumbled in. CANDY always appeared flustered and confused, but at his heart she knew he loved studying these dead things. She didn’t mind much as they were dead and there was no harm in it, but there was something about that man… He always sounded like such an idiot screwing up terminology, not even remembering the names and functions of various innards, and yet every now and then a half formed thought would slip from his mouth with all the subtly of an Aramninian pit viper and that half formed thought would be… she knew it was genius, know it could revolutionize life it’s self, and yet she could never quite flush out the rest of these thoughts, or even begin to see how any could be applied. One day she left him alone to study one as she went out to an appointment. Along the way she was grabbed and dragged off, hacked into so many pieces that her corpse may never again be so much as identifiable, but the next thing she remembered was that crazy old man was sewing away at her face, smiling as a mad man as he stitched, grabbing pieces seemingly at random and stitching them back on to her. Every now and then he’d inject some oddly colored substance or another into her, but those hands never tired and those eyes never lost that spark. When she discovered what he was, and what he had made her she considered it. Perhaps life had been quick fleeting, and with little meaning... but given the chance to live forever and learn mysteries she had never fathomed, she could step out of that fleeting existence called life and move on to something grander. Something beyond the comprehension of the world it’s self. She begged the man to teach her, and he eagerly accepted considering her one of his finest masterpieces. She had quite a gift for altering the dead ever so slightly before reanimation allowing them greater powers than most of the undead, eventually even CANDY himself favored SPANKY’s creations to his own, leaving him open to studying other venues.
Warnings that follow them CANDY
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Lo ye hold the traveling man
Tall and dark and haunted he
Above his bold white snapper jacket
Hides him his last scrap O’ Shannet
Lo ye hold the traveling man
His eyes as fangs, his cloak so worn
Traveling beyond lands untold
With everlasting bones so old
Lo ye hold the traveling man
Scruple sharp and thread unwinding
He hunts them all to their last crying
Than sets them back to their writhing
Lo ye never behold the traveling man
Before his unshaking fist
Lo ye never behold the traveling man
Or walk his swirling mist.
SPANKY
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May All beware the spinners loom
For none yet know her darkened groom
Her scissors snip so fine
Her thread of that fresh twine
All beware the spinners loom
she wears a mask of flesh
it causes us to frighten
as her dark threads begin to tighten
All beware the spinners loom
Slicked red it is from use
It’s strings ever dinging
And ever caught at glancing
All beware the Spinners loom
In all its eerie shapes
All beware the spinner’s loom
and cover well your napes!
Edit: threw up the stuff I'm keeping too, and think I gget what I was going for in the one
@Jack_Simth: Would the feat tax for Pathfinder imports include stuff like the PF Monk?
Yes.
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Would it be (for example) 1 feat to take PF Monk and 1 feat per archetype?
Let's see... the archetypes are replacements for class features, so yes.
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Hmm, no homebrew hurts, but I am currently trying to remember my concept, so I'm probably good without it. Anywho guess I'll ask if we're allowed advanced template. I know pathfinder can get a bit sillier at some points, so figure I should check.
Checking... one point of LA, costs you a feat (for being PF material), and gets you... +4 to every stat per iteration.
It's fine. Just remember: I'll be taking selections based on who seems closest to each other in power. Game balance is not between the players and the world, it's between the players and the players. If you've got a Frenzied Berserker Ubercharger, an Incantatrix batman wizard, a DMM(Persist) Cleric-zilla, and a planar shepherd Druid, they're probably all at close to the same power level, so it's fine. If you have a party consisting of a Core Monk, a Core Bard, a Core Fighter, and a shortbow rogue, they're probably all at close to the same power level, so it's fine.
I can just up the challenges for the high powered party (you may end up facing CR 50 critters, but everyone's on the same keel), and reduce them for the low powered party (you may end up facing CR 10 creatures, but everyone's on the same keel). That's not a problem.
A Cleric-zilla along with a Core-only bard? That's a problem.
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anywho fair to assume no dual casting progressions?
Correct.
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Can I start with undead pre-made?
They're part of wealth. Cost is ... 25 gp * book CR^2. So a CR 1 minion like that is 25 GP. A CR 30 minion is a steal at 22,500 gp ... but you need to be able to actually make the minion still. That's how most costs scale in D&D.
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Are you OK with the combining item rules, or case by case? (1+1.5* extra for adding slots, and 1+.75+.5* for like slotless)
The point of this is to go a little nuts. Just remember what I've said about how I'm selecting players. People may want to consider collaboration for that reason.
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The stuff from the basic books is OK right?
WotC published gets blanket approval unless it's on the banned list (because of something uncapped you can do with it, or because it's epic spellcasting).
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Anywho my background stuff is here, hope you don't get too bored.
Eh, I'll read the fluff when I'm critiquing mechanics.
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Requesting the mystic ranger, I can't remember what dragon it's in but it is in this thread on the page I linked as well.
Spellcasting caps at 5th? Not really going to be gamebreaking of itself.
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Hey do you guys need one more player for this? I have never tried an epic level necromancer.
Also if I can join with the level 30 hard cap does that mean it is impossible to play as a demi lich? Or does it just slow your xp growth if you take the +20 level adjustment.
Since no homebrews are allowed, i'll only be requesting this Dragon Mag material. (FR setting too btw)
I'm thinking of mostly a utility/skill type, Beguiler Rainbow Servant with Factotum Exemplar or Warblade on the other side. In terms of power he's just so so in combat so far, but will get adjusted feat/itemwise based on most people's preferred op level.
Also, what do you think on adaptation sections? I just thougt it would be ok if the power source of the now-proposed not-so-rainbow servant would be a CG source instead.
It's fine. Just remember: I'll be taking selections based on who seems closest to each other in power. Game balance is not between the players and the world, it's between the players and the players. If you've got a Frenzied Berserker Ubercharger, an Incantatrix batman wizard, a DMM(Persist) Cleric-zilla, and a planar shepherd Druid, they're probably all at close to the same power level, so it's fine. If you have a party consisting of a Core Monk, a Core Bard, a Core Fighter, and a shortbow rogue, they're probably all at close to the same power level, so it's fine.
I can just up the challenges for the high powered party (you may end up facing CR 50 critters, but everyone's on the same keel), and reduce them for the low powered party (you may end up facing CR 10 creatures, but everyone's on the same keel). That's not a problem.
Works for me though this is probably the most scalable build I've built, so I should be able to just tune it to whatever power.
My idea may be somewhat odd in theory, but it played well enough for the little time I had to try it that I'd like to take another shot at it. Would you be okay with a skill monkey wizard/rogue/other mix that owns an inn? Brief version of why is that he believes in the value of new information coming in, of all sorts, and as the son of a barmaid, knows that people love to talk more over a good meal and a pint or two. So after hitting level 30, he opened an inn, and acts as a major information broker for the realm, sometimes going to see whether the juiciest rumors to pass through his inn have anything to them.
Sigmar grant me the
bourbon to accept the things I cannot change, the bullets to change the
things I can, and a big-titted sidekick who knows the
difference.
My idea may be somewhat odd in theory, but it played well enough for the little time I had to try it that I'd like to take another shot at it. Would you be okay with a skill monkey wizard/rogue/other mix that owns an inn? Brief version of why is that he believes in the value of new information coming in, of all sorts, and as the son of a barmaid, knows that people love to talk more over a good meal and a pint or two. So after hitting level 30, he opened an inn, and acts as a major information broker for the realm, sometimes going to see whether the juiciest rumors to pass through his inn have anything to them.
Not really a problem with it... how much are you planning on spending on the inn itself, and have you dug the info out of the Stronghold Builder's Guide (3.0, granted) for use with it?
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Main problem with that is I've never managed to find a copy. As for how much, 200,000 to 500,000 gold, as since we're playing an epic game, you may as well aim big with your endeavors.
Hey do you guys need one more player for this? I have never tried an epic level necromancer.
Players have not yet been selected. At this point, everyone's welcome.
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Also if I can join with the level 30 hard cap does that mean it is impossible to play as a demi lich? Or does it just slow your xp growth if you take the +20 level adjustment.
Where do you get the +20 LA figure from?
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Main problem with that is I've never managed to find a copy. As for how much, 200,000 to 500,000 gold, as since we're playing an epic game, you may as well aim big with your endeavors.
Hmm, yes, that is a problem. Have you checked with your local library, to see if they can get it via interlibrary loan?
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For a demilich? nah, it's +4 for lich and an additional +8 for demilich before you start taking out all the xp and gold to lock up your soul tight and actually acquire the racial template. (barring any DM overruling that is...)
For a demilich? nah, it's +4 for lich and an additional +8 for demilich before you start taking out all the xp and gold to lock up your soul tight and actually acquire the racial template. (barring any DM overruling that is...)
Still though: Where's the source of the number? I could just be blind, but I didn't see the LA listed in the ELH, nor the errata for it, nor the 3.5 update booklet.
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Ah, ELH first page or two of the monster chapter has a table of CR on one side and ECL on the other for all the monsters with NA where appropriate. Paragon as 11, demilich as an additional +8, ect are calculated through those values.
Ah, ELH first page or two of the monster chapter has a table of CR on one side and ECL on the other for all the monsters with NA where appropriate. Paragon as 11, demilich as an additional +8, ect are calculated through those values.
Ah, I see. Sensible. Gave an ECL of 33, and it's got 21 levels in Wizard, so that's a total LA of 12 - with 4 for the required Lich status, that's another 8 for the demilich. Got it.
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That does change allot. though generally I think of the immunity as just an extra perk. Then again eating souls is useful for those pesky enemies that keep coming back... Ah well I'm not willing to sacrifice my body for that.
Hm. I think I'll un-retire an old character of mine, Findelwald Wolfram Tungsten, Esq., Magister of Applied Pathology and Professor of Interplanar Exploration.
Not sure how to stat him at this high a level. The original was a very weird Artificer/Archivist/scout hybrid. Probably just Wizard/Scout, then.
“Not a promise, not an oath, or a malediction or a curse,” I said, sounding calm, probably inaudible in the midst of the screaming. “Inevitable. Wasn’t that how she put it? I told them. Warned them.”
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Alright, managed to track a copy of the Stronghold Builder's book down online. Now, looking at it, with Kinton, I should be able to build a rather nice, huge inn. To give a better idea, a castle is in the 13-20 grand range.
Think I should dial it back to 100,000 gold?
No, because then I get to charge them for a teleport. Info's as good as gold there, so it can be done. It's just really nice-and is at least rumored to have a curse where people who try and get the barmaids into bed without their permission (drugs, charm spells, force, domination spells, intimidation) get a night with Bubba the summoned hillbilly Balor. Using natural charm and courting any of the staff normally is fine as long as they agree to it, but they do get special protection.
Well, now that there's a DM I'd like to declare interest.
Thinking of bringing back Graal, an upstart Brown dragon youngling who is determined to claim lands of desert and plains from the Blues (what are they doing there anyway? they don't even blend in!), and doing it before he grows older. DFA//Archivist, perhaps. Still looking.
Also, would Paragon be allowed as LA 11, as Drack mentions above? How about LA buyoff?
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Paragon at LA+11: Sure.
LA buyoff: What spare XP? You'll be de-leveling yourself a bit even with just a single point of buy off. Oh yes, and you're losing your other side a bit as well. Oh, and if you do the math, buying off LA is EXPENSIVE for anything more than about 2 or 3 points.
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Are we able to progress PrCs on both sides of the gestalt?
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Not really essential stuff, but might come in handy in case players get crazy powerful.
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...people who try and get the barmaids into bed without their permission (drugs, charm spells, force, domination spells, intimidation) get a night with Bubba the summoned hillbilly Balor.
Thank goodness we are at epic, where a good Charisma/Bluff check would suffice. :megusta:
Oh yeah. Buying off, say, +5 LA costs:
15,000 for the first point
27,000 for the second
... and you can't get to the 3rd at 30th (but would cost 36,000 at level 36).
In buying off those two points of LA, you've spent 42,000 xp, and are two levels behind (at least to start - it works out much better in a continuous game due to how XP works).
Buying off +4 LA costs:
12,000 for the first point
21,000 for the second point
27,000 for the third point
30,000 for the fourth point (although you don't have the XP to do so), so we'll ignore this line.
So buying off three points of that +4 LA costs you 60,000 xp - putting you... three levels behind to start.
And with Gestalt, it's mostly pointless, as you've got stuff on the other side you're shorting yourself when you do it.
But I will permit it.
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My build is starting to come together.
Going to go Elf Psion 30 // Psychic Warrior 15/ Warmind 10 / Iron Mind 5
I'm interested in this feat. It's 3.0 material so I thought I had better ask.
Updated to "Must expend your psionic focus" and "normal cost +10" as is standard for all the other metamagic feats converted to metapsionic feats.
Oh:
And if you persist Timeless Body or some such, so will opponents... and I have a pretty harsh interpretation of what happens if you attempt to Persist such things as Temporal Acceleration or Time Stop.
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