Fae WW II: Fae-ailed Plans

[Gray Mage]

Originally Posted by C'nor

Turning adds the turned person to the Turned. Enslaving converts them to the team of the person who collared them until the collar is removed.

Is there a reason why the Familiar has the ability to turn? And wouldn't it be a problem if a Werekin were to be enslaved/turned since they're in contact with each other from the beginning of play and so they'd be all dead/turned soon and the game would be mostly over?

[C'nor]

Originally Posted by Gray Mage

Is there a reason why the Familiar has the ability to turn? And wouldn't it be a problem if a Werekin were to be enslaved/turned since they're in contact with each other from the beginning of play and so they'd be all dead/turned soon and the game would be mostly over?

Two of them, actually - First, the Turned don't begin with any players on them, so something has to turn people, and it makes more sense that the Werekin might want to gain temporary allies than that the Usurpers would risk turning townspeople. Second, in the fluff, the Familiar is the cause of the current werewolf problem, and the only one of the original Werekin with the ability to create others; normally, she keeps them away from society and slowly integrates them into the pack, but now she's in rather a hurry, as the Usurpers are going after her, so she doesn't have time to do that, leading to them forming their own pack.

As for the problem with Werekin being turned/enslaved, being enslaved is non-voluntarily working with whoever collared you, so from a fluff point of view it makes sense not to tell them everything, while from a meta perspective, it's quite possibly temporary, so selling out the team you go back to too badly is something of a risk. Being turned is a bit more of a problem, but that sort of thing is going to be a risk in any game with recruitment, even if it doesn't start with a network, unless there are no seers to make one.

[Gray Mage]

Well, I'll just say that I'm skeptical about the result of the enslavement ability.

[Rules Lawyer #1]

Originally Posted by C'nor

Two of them, actually - First, the Turned don't begin with any players on them, so something has to turn people, and it makes more sense that the Werekin might want to gain temporary allies than that the Usurpers would risk turning townspeople. Second, in the fluff, the Familiar is the cause of the current werewolf problem, and the only one of the original Werekin with the ability to create others; normally, she keeps them away from society and slowly integrates them into the pack, but now she's in rather a hurry, as the Usurpers are going after her, so she doesn't have time to do that, leading to them forming their own pack.

As for the problem with Werekin being turned/enslaved, being enslaved is non-voluntarily working with whoever collared you, so from a fluff point of view it makes sense not to tell them everything, while from a meta perspective, it's quite possibly temporary, so selling out the team you go back to too badly is something of a risk. Being turned is a bit more of a problem, but that sort of thing is going to be a risk in any game with recruitment, even if it doesn't start with a network, unless there are no seers to make one.

I'm... a little bit confused about Turning and Enslavement. Let's say I start as a were-kin. I am happily going for a were-kin victory when I'm Turned by the Virulent. So, now I'm working for the Turned, but for some reason, I'm not going to tell them about everyone who is a were-kin because the Familiar *might* turn me back into a were-kin (of course, if I can tell them who the Familiar is...). Well... on the same night, I'm collared by The Forger, but for some reason I don't tell them about the Were-kin or the Turned because The Thief might remove my collar (unless I can tell them who The Thief is because he is the same guy as The Deft).

Meanwhile, if Team Were-kin knew I'd been Turned, they would probably have me killed or turned back as soon as possible (heh, not soon enough, ) and if the Turned knew I'd been enslaved, they would do the same to me... except that the were-kin want allies against the Usurpers? and the Turned are all cool with that - so, instead, I live until I'm no longer useful and then I die.

Meanwhile, now that I'm enslaved, what does that mean? I still use my powers however I want? Does my win condition change? Whose win condition do I use? Let's say I am The Deft Turned Thief and collared - may I remove my own collar? and what do you mean the Usurpers would worry about turning townspeople? I thought they could only enslave them.... which is fine, right? I mean it's not like their win condition has changed or anything, right?

[Gray Mage]

Originally Posted by Rules Lawyer #1

I'm... a little bit confused about Turning and Enslavement. Let's say I start as a were-kin. I am happily going for a were-kin victory when I'm Turned by the Virulent. So, now I'm working for the Turned, but for some reason, I'm not going to tell them about everyone who is a were-kin because the Familiar *might* turn me back into a were-kin (of course, if I can tell them who the Familiar is...).

Actually, if I understood correctly, the Familiar can't turn others into Werekin, the turning mechanic turn players only into Turned. Anyway, I think the Werekin/Turned interaction won't go as C'Nor expected, but since I don't think it'd hurt the Werekin players, I'm ok with that. But I think it'll be a short game.

[C'nor]

Originally Posted by Rules Lawyer #1

I'm... a little bit confused about Turning and Enslavement. Let's say I start as a were-kin. I am happily going for a were-kin victory when I'm Turned by the Virulent. So, now I'm working for the Turned, but for some reason, I'm not going to tell them about everyone who is a were-kin because the Familiar *might* turn me back into a were-kin (of course, if I can tell them who the Familiar is...). Well... on the same night, I'm collared by The Forger, but for some reason I don't tell them about the Were-kin or the Turned because The Thief might remove my collar (unless I can tell them who The Thief is because he is the same guy as The Deft).

Meanwhile, if Team Were-kin knew I'd been Turned, they would probably have me killed or turned back as soon as possible (heh, not soon enough, ) and if the Turned knew I'd been enslaved, they would do the same to me... except that the were-kin want allies against the Usurpers? and the Turned are all cool with that - so, instead, I live until I'm no longer useful and then I die.

Meanwhile, now that I'm enslaved, what does that mean? I still use my powers however I want? Does my win condition change? Whose win condition do I use? Let's say I am The Deft Turned Thief and collared - may I remove my own collar? and what do you mean the Usurpers would worry about turning townspeople? I thought they could only enslave them.... which is fine, right? I mean it's not like their win condition has changed or anything, right?

Actually, turning is irreversible, barring shenanigans with Duilliath and ghosts. So the bit about possibly being turned back to your old team only applies to enslavement.

The Thief can remove their own collar, yes. If they didn't, which win condition they'd use would depend on which team had collared them.

And I think you got somewhat confused when reading the first paragraph from what you quoted. Gray Mage had asked why the Familiar had the ability to turn people, so what that meant was that someone needed to be able to turn people, and it makes more sense that the Werekin would do so than that the town would, so the Familiar is the one who turns people, rather than a town role.

If that doesn't answer all your questions, it's probably because I'm not entirely sure about all of them, so just let me know what it is that I should have further clarified, and I'll try to do so.

[super dark33]

May i join?
its been a while.

[C'nor]

Sure, though it's unlikely that it'll actually start at this point, since we still need fifteen or so more people.

[super dark33]

Originally Posted by C'nor

Sure, though it's unlikely that it'll actually start at this point, since we still need fifteen or so more people.

Waiting is a strong side of mine.

[52.5 Lemons]

It's been too long. I need to join this. Now. Although by the looks of things, it may not start for a while.

[C'nor]

It does seem that way, unfortunately. Maybe I need to advertise it more or something...

[Rules Lawyer #1]

Awwww... well the threads do seem slow recently.
Also, still needing 15 players is not easy.

[C'nor]

No, it isn't. But considering that there are almost as many wolves as Classic, and they're considerably more powerful (albeit, somewhat balanced by a much higher powered Town), it seems like it'll need at least thirty or so players to make it balanced, so...

[Tom the Mime]

It has slowed up a lot recently. Meta is the only active game where anything has really happened in the last fortnight. Narrators with no power or having real life come up tends to slow things down.

[Lex-Kat]

I'll join. But since you are going for minimum 30, it's not likely to start. Anyway you can decrease the minimum to just 20?

Spoiler

#	Player	Death?	Role
01	Grimmace, the
02	Count DingDong
03	Ramsus
04	Bushranger, the
05	Ur-Quan
06	TBFProgrammer
07	UsOurselves&We
08	Elemental
09	Tom the Mime
10	TigerFang
11	Gnomish Wanderer
12	Penguinator
13	Rules Lawyer #1
14	Phantom, the
15	D Lord
16	Gray Mage
17	Superdark
18	52.5 Lemons
19	Lex-Kat
20	Vesth

[C'nor]

Eh, sure, why not. Probably enough power roles to balance it anyway, now that I look at it again.

[Vesth]

Time to make or break 20!

[Lex-Kat]

Yay!!

[planswalker]

room for one more to squeeze in at the last minute?

[C'nor]

Certainly. It's traditional, in fact; last time, someone joined as I was in the process of sending out the role PMs.

Also, due to the delays, if everyone who's still in could post that, please?

[Count Dingdong]

Still in. Need 10 chars...

[super dark33]

Originally Posted by C'nor

Certainly. It's traditional, in fact; last time, someone joined as I was in the process of sending out the role PMs.

Also, due to the delays, if everyone who's still in could post that, please?

Im am still in.

[TBFProgrammer]

Sure, still in.

[Ramsus]

I'm still in.....vading the host body.

[Tom the Mime]

Still in this.

[usourselves&we]

Who? What? Where?
yep still here.

[Lex-Kat]

I think I'm still in.

[C'nor]

If you are desirous of maintaining your position, you may remain within the game, yes; the request was intended primarily for those who joined towards the start. ()

[Penguinator]

Nod, nod, nod.

[TigerFang]

Still in this.