So as you all know, I've been talking to everyone about a bit of a problem we've been having.
Mostly, due to people having a hard time justifying keeping Adalhard around (but not wanting to actually kick him out), the level of fun people may be having is reduced.
So basically I'd like your thoughts on the matter, because I'm unsure how to proceed. On the one hand, we let things go their natural course and end up with everyone finally being fed up and kicking Adalhard out, or killing him. On the other Adalhard maybe stops being such a **** and excluding everyone and acting so high and mighty all the time, as if he doesn't care how it'll make everyone else feel.
Well, I believe the best way to resolve this is a discussion where all of us are involved; thus, the best forum to carry it out is this one.
As I understand it, the majority (Zodi, Luna, Teddy, and myself) view is that the way that August has been roleplaying Adalhard causes unnecessary conflict and tension within the party. Adalhard has been acting highly irrational and antagonistic toward the other party members, undertaking morally dubious actions without the others' knowledge or even consent, and judging by his recent spoilered actions, continuing to actively work against the party's interests. We did not sign up for a PvP game, and the level of antagonism that Adalhard brings to the table is, in our opinions, detrimental to the game as a whole.
Some compromise must be made in order to preserve the peace. In my view, the problem is coming from the way that Adalhard is played, and the easiest way to fix that is for Adalhard to stop being so antagonistic toward the party, or if that is impossible, to be replaced with another character who will be easier to work with. I am hoping that we can come to a peaceful resolution about this.
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I feel that the primary concern is the story, and as such, having an entire character personality change because we don't like it affecting the story will affect it even more.
Continuity is a huge matter, and it bugs me enough with all the obvious holes when it comes to Teodor, but I personally don't think there is a salavagable way to keep Adalhard in the group.
This of course, doesn't extend to August, as this is strictly in-game. Conflict is all very well, but once it simply is ludicrous that we retain a character, it just stops making sense.
Which is a pity, because if he hadn't been quite so antagonistic, I would have found it excellent to have him around, as he did provide some more character depth before it just turned to our blatant roleplaying-ignoral for OOC reasons.
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Quick question Moony, but is there a way Bast may be persuaded to accept Adalhard that would work in character?
Which reminds me, we still need to work on a way to have Teodor leave. You should come on one of these days so we can discuss that, since it's getting closer.
Well, yeah, I don't like the conflict either. It's no fun when everyone's just screaming at eachother, but my main problem with it is that I spend huge amounts of time thinking about it and trying to figure out ways in which I can have it resolved in character. Just typing up that first attempt at mediation with Adalhard probably took me two hours. Typing. I must've spent several hours thinking about it on beforehand. Honestly, it's taxing to keep up the practice, and I don't think I can do so for much longer.
I still haven't gotten to Bast, for example. I'll need to figure out a way to get her to listen to Elden to start with. And a way for Elden to overcome his feelings of guilt toward her, or at least do something progressive that still is in accorance to them. And a reason for why the conversation would take place to start with. I can always plan (I always do), build an intricate network of conditions and actions, but predicting the future is hard, and sometimes you bet too high on the wrong card, and all your planning is rendered void, leaving you to salvage what rest there is.
Don't get me wrong, I like trying to solve conflicts. The problem is, the reward, while often great, lies in the solution, so if I can't succeed in reaching one, I won't feel gratified either, and with the knowledge of how much time I've poured into it... yeah, that's not a good feeling. Which is why I don't give up either, for whatever the price is to reach a solution, for as long as I think I can see it on the horison, letting go would hurt more than marching on...
Until I fall from exhaustion, that is.
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I really doubt it, and I swear, I've really tried to think of all possible ways. I don't want to drive out Adalhard necessarily, I just want to maintain in-characterness.
In terms of Teodor, heck, part of me thought just to have Teodor get killed off, get Bast to leave with him, and then we cut out her and her conflict. Except I kind of really don't want to do that. I'll try and find time to come on later though.
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...speaking as an outside observer...honestly, it makes more sense, if someone has to leave, for it to be Adalhard than for it to be Bast. I'm biased, yes; Adalhard is the character I hate most in this story, and Bast is...roughly, my third favorite, but...for the party to constantly accede to him, or compromise for him, just feels very awkward. Especially with him having entered the story later. It'd be one thing if he had been there at the start...I mean, it'd still be awkward, but for the party to have developed a camaraderie of sorts, then introduce a character who causes tons of internal strife and conflict, and to place his well-being above those of the people you already had established relationships...it just feels...weird.
EDIT: To follow on my thoughts...that the questions asked are "is there any possible way your character could concede to accept Adalhard" and not "would it be natural for your character to accept Adalhard" highlight the awkwardness of it all. Especially since very few of the characters are the turn the other cheek, forgive and forget types. In fact, to be completely honest, it's felt very weird seeing Elden attempting to play peacemaker lately, because that didn't seem to fit with my understanding of his character before. I don't know if that's because previously I misinterpreted him, but if felt very out of nowhere and just made the entire thing feel a bit...odd.
TL;DR: The longer this has gone on, the less believable the characters have felt with having to readjust themselves to work with Adalhard.
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In fact, to be completely honest, it's felt very weird seeing Elden attempting to play peacemaker lately, because that didn't seem to fit with my understanding of his character before. I don't know if that's because previously I misinterpreted him, but if felt very out of nowhere and just made the entire thing feel a bit...odd.
Ahh, see, Elden is pragmatic, and mediating in a conflict generaly yields better results than ignoring or fueling it. Also, he just grew tired with being constantly annoyed at Adalhard and decided to try and fix things himself.
Actually, if you look at it as Elden attempting to stay in control and maintain authority, it makes perfect sense. If those with him can't cooperate, he can't direct them.
Also, I'm trying to move Elden a bit toward a more considerate demeanor. You might want to get used to it (even though he may slip backwards a bit as soon as the situation stabilises).
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That reminds me Teddy, that thing we talked about, I talked to Moony about it and she's go for it being a thing we can try, once we find that right time to try it.
I shouldn't roleplay newly awake people when I'm ill. I had to think quite hard to figure out how you could feel tired while still not tired enough to sleep for eight hours straight, whereafter you wish you could sleep four hours more...
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I think you did a good job. I'd maybe describe that he has bags under his eyes, but that's just me.
That's a bit over the top, actually. The point is that he should look as if he barely slept six hours after a rough day, not like he's been awake through the whole night.
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Get better soon, by the way. I'm sending my hugs!
Yeah, I'd better do. I have a party tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow. And gaming night tonight, although I may skip that one for the sake of my own wellbeing...
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That's a bit over the top, actually. The point is that he should look as if he barely slept six hours after a rough day, not like he's been awake through the whole night.
Yeah, I'd better do. I have a party tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow. And gaming night tonight, although I may skip that one for the sake of my own wellbeing...
Ahh, good point.
Oh, I never really pegged you as a guy who'd do that type of stuff. Sounds fun though, have fun when you can and make sure to get some rest (and some chicken soup!)
Oh, I never really pegged you as a guy who'd do that type of stuff. Sounds fun though, have fun when you can and make sure to get some rest (and some chicken soup!)
It's rare, but it happens. Two friends of mine have their birthday parties and they both happened to happen this weekend.
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In the meantime, I am trying to play a character with a headache while I'm so sleep-deprived I can't remember my nicknames for my friends. This is FUN!
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Sorry about the delay in posting guys. I'm just waiting untill everyone had confirmation on what we're doing (also, I think Pinkhair and Moony are indisposed at the moment).
Hey, guys, could you all PM me a list of what item slots you don't have filled, and maybe also some suggestions for what you might like for magic items so I have an idea of what you want?
I ask only because I don't actually 100% know what all you guys got for equipment right now, truth be told.
Also, if you HAVE sent this to me before, send again because I likely have lost it (this is mostly directed at AdalhardPinkhair).
Also, Mattos, you're mooore or less exempt from this since I'm absolutely crazy and have plans for you. *waggles fingers ominously*
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Why is Adalhard the bishop? Does it have something to do with his personality or fighting style? Or is it just because the bishop is most often found on C1?
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