Failing that, they must have fled the dungeon (barring the one who was actually in the throne room and horribly injured from the fall, who is pretty certain to be dead).
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Redcloak and Xykon had time to leisurely walk out of the Dungeon. If they were paying attention, most of the minions should have escaped easily.
I don't know, every other monster in the throne room was already dead. I don't think any of the occupants of the Dungeon could have passed through the room to get to the escape tunnel without the Order noticing. Besides, how would they have known that the self-destruct lever had been pulled?
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Besides, how would they have known that the self-destruct lever had been pulled?
That's easy! Any self-respecting automated destruction system sounds an evacuation alarm and gives an audible count-down.
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Remember, Evil isn't "selfish". It's Evil. "Look out for number one" is a Neutral attitude. Evil looks out for number one while crushing number two.
Redcloak and Xykon had time to leisurely walk out of the Dungeon. If they were paying attention, most of the minions should have escaped easily.
Redcloak and Xykon had the advantage of knowing where the secret tunnel from the lowest dungeon level to the outside was. The normal goblin mooks? They'd have had to work their way all the way up the dungeon, out of the castle at the top, and then get clear--and why would they have done that when they didn't know the place was about to go boom anyway?
I wonder if Elan got any xp for defeating them, then? Or would it not count?
If anybody did, I'd say it was Dorukan....
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Remember, Evil isn't "selfish". It's Evil. "Look out for number one" is a Neutral attitude. Evil looks out for number one while crushing number two.
Actually, I would imagine that in the CG afterlives, they wouldn't care about such petty technicalities. They would only care about the fact that Elan had caused the deaths of those young goblins. And they probably wouldn't be happy that Elan has never stopped to think about it.
Then again, with all the good Elan has done (or at least tried to do; he's not the most competent person ever), I can't imagine it would keep him out of his desired afterlife.
I wonder if Elan got any xp for defeating them, then? Or would it not count?
Elan did not defeat them. Elan never fought them.
If XP was for "killing," rather than overcoming challenges, he might get XP...but it isn't.
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Remember that it was Dorukan that set up the system. He had rather more concern for his employees than Xykon does. I therefore think that emergency exits opened up all over the castle and an evacuation alarm sounded.
We know that the flumphs escaped, anyway. And a medusa from the castle was later seen on Teevo. (At least it looks like the same one)
Remember that it was Dorukan that set up the system. He had rather more concern for his employees than Xykon does. I therefore think that emergency exits opened up all over the castle and an evacuation alarm sounded.
That still doesn't mean the goblins escaped--we know from Celia that employees were able to summon "employee exits", but the goblins wouldn't have been able to do that. As for the flumphs, they presumably started making their way out of the dungeon as soon as the spells holding them in their pen were broken, which was days before the Order reached the lowest levels and blew the place up.
Remember that it was Dorukan that set up the system. He had rather more concern for his employees than Xykon does. I therefore think that emergency exits opened up all over the castle and an evacuation alarm sounded...
The Order of the Stick didn't hear any alarms going off, and they were at Ground Zero when the destruct was triggered.
The Order of the Stick didn't hear any alarms going off, and they were at Ground Zero when the destruct was triggered.
Well, you wouldn't need any down there, would ya? You'd already know if you pulled the lever or not! It's everybody ELSE that needs to be alerted to the impending destruction.
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Remember, Evil isn't "selfish". It's Evil. "Look out for number one" is a Neutral attitude. Evil looks out for number one while crushing number two.
Well, you wouldn't need any down there, would ya? You'd already know if you pulled the lever or not! It's everybody ELSE that needs to be alerted to the impending destruction.
Surely Dorukan would assume that any of his own employees would have already been killed by the time the self-destruct sigil was used anyway? It's right at the bottom level of the dungeon and you have to traverse the entire thing to reach it!
Surely Dorukan would assume that any of his own employees would have already been killed by the time the self-destruct sigil was used anyway? It's right at the bottom level of the dungeon and you have to traverse the entire thing to reach it!
There are always scry-and-die tactics, though.
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Stats of the Snarl:
HP: Lots.
Armor Class: Can't touch this.
Saving Throws: Yes.
Attack: Successful - undoes target.
Challenge Rating: Too high.
Surely Dorukan would assume that any of his own employees would have already been killed by the time the self-destruct sigil was used anyway? It's right at the bottom level of the dungeon and you have to traverse the entire thing to reach it!
And yet, Xykon seized the Gate without disturbing any of the sigil guardians.
Besides which, the Order alluded to there being a lot more of dungeon to explore when Elan declared that of course they were going to set off the self-destruct rune before leaving.
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"The really unforgivable acts are committed by calm men in beautiful green silk rooms, who deal death wholesale, by the shipload, without lust, or anger, or desire, or any redeeming emotion to excuse them but cold fear of some pretended future. But the crimes they hope to prevent in the future are imaginary. The ones they commit in the present--they are real." --Aral Vorkosigan
I think the bottom line is that Dorukan installed the rune as a last-ditch effort for when there's no other way of preventing the forces of Evil from seizing the Gate and didn't account for someone being as dumb as Elan and pressing it for no reason.
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Well, you wouldn't need any down there, would ya? You'd already know if you pulled the lever or not! It's everybody ELSE that needs to be alerted to the impending destruction.
Yes, you'd need it down there. Unless everyone watches over everyone else's shoulders all the time, one person triggering a self-destruct might not automatically be noticed by everyone else. And considering the AoE nature of many magic spells, what reason would there be to exclude an area anyway?
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