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Old 08-21-2012, 08:14 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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Within the grim world of Keran the creations of the divines wander. They Live, Learn, Hate, Unite, Kill, Survive, Advance.

They formed alliances, enemies, nations, and empires.

These are the people of Keran. Some are new and designed for the world, some were recreated for world, but either way, none of them are the same as the standard races.
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So anything....

Any responses?

Any critques?

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None of your races are LA +0 and they are all over powered.
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None of your races are LA +0 and they are all over powered.
Could you explain how?
And the very least the Aegis, Durzites, Gnomes, Half-Elves, Lacembra, and Murderer's can't be LA +1.
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I have to break this to you as kindly as I can, but almost every race that you have ever created is overpowered, and that is why I don't like giving you feedback. I feel like my critiques fall on deaf ears and that I just waste my time.

You have decent ideas that would work so much better as creatures than as PCs.

The murderer is a bust on 2 things (3 if you include the trite "murder of crows" reference).

1. You should never give out class features as racial traits. It dilutes the class. Why should they get the ability to cast spells with the death domain without actually being a cleric with that?

2. They never take falling damage and that is worth LA +1.

Aegis (is a shield and again trite name)

1. Slams do bludgeoning damage. I get that it is a crystalline creature but either they have blades that slash or they arms that bludgeon.

2. DR 2/- as a racial trait is worth +2 (Why are they immune to magic and epic items? )

3. Medium creatures that are slow hold back a party. At 200 lbs. plus equipment, its a medium load for a regular horse to carry (and will slow down the horse). This is 50 lbs. heavier than the half-orc. Plus the +1d100 size can easily put one into Large category. It's 7'2 (it needs to roll 10 or less to stay Medium-sized).

Half-elf has Spell Resistance and that is worth +1 LA.

Lacembra has an overpowered bite attack at 1d6. +1 LA This is same bite damage a Small dragon has!

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I have to break this to you as kindly as I can, but almost every race that you have ever created is overpowered, and that is why I don't like giving you feedback. I feel like my critiques fall on deaf ears and that I just waste my time.
Aegis is the only race I remember you commenting on, and I listened and edited it....

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The murderer is a bust on 2 things (3 if you include the trite "murder of crows" reference).
In my experience "Murder of Crow" references are not trite and I can only think of two from memory.

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1. You should never give out class features as racial traits. It dilutes the class. Why should they get the ability to cast spells with the death domain without actually being a cleric with that?
I think you skimmed that. Also it gets is +1 caster level when casting spells of with the Death Descriptor. This doesn't grant it the Death Domain....

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2. They never take falling damage and that is worth LA +1.
Raptoran. LA +0.

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Aegis (is a shield and again trite name)
I'm sorry the name is so offensive to you. As I have previously said the original idea was of a golden defender, but while concept changed, the name stuck.

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1. Slams do bludgeoning damage. I get that it is a crystalline creature but either they have blades that slash or they arms that bludgeon.
As you stated before, adding new natural weapons without properly defining them means there is confusion and it doesn't work. Thus I made it a Slam attack, which has working mechanics, and changed it's damage type of slashing.

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2. DR 2/- as a racial trait is worth +2 (Why are they immune to magic and epic items? )
That replaced the original natural armor. I'll remove it.

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3. Medium creatures that are slow hold back a party. At 200 lbs. plus equipment, its a medium load for a regular horse to carry (and will slow down the horse). This is 50 lbs. heavier than the half-orc. Plus the +1d100 size can easily put one into Large category. It's 7'2 (it needs to roll 10 or less to stay Medium-sized).
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Half-elf has Spell Resistance and that is worth +1 LA.
Drow = LA +2
Level 2 Drow SR = 13
Level 2 Half-Elf SR = 1
Level 20 Drow SR = 31
Level 20 Half-Elf SR = 10

Why should this count as LA +1?

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Lacembra has an overpowered bite attack at 1d6. +1 LA This is same bite damage a Small dragon has!
I didn't expect a 1d6 would be that powerful, though it does deal piercing, slashing, and bludgeon.[/quote]
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Half-Elves are weaker than the official ones.
Gnomes likewise, aside from heat metal. IIRC, that is a spell of higher level than 1, making it unbalanced at low-levels.
Dwarves being Small with Powerful Build translates to "they're Medium, but have +1 AC, +1 attack and +4 Hide". That, combined with the caste abilities, means they're even better than official dwarves, which were already the second-best race of all time in many situations.
Durzites are likewise strong, even if only for the summoning SLA.
The Dunesti light sensivity might as well not be there. Keeping track of dazzled is pretty annoying, but it coming and going again soon just makes that worse.
Many of the Dragonborn Aspects warrant LA, especially Amber.
Aegis: Powerful Build is prettymuch auto-LA+1.

Karmainians are ridiculously weak.
Kephra have a netto +2 stat gain, +4 natural armor, have a rebirth mechanic, hefty bluff/intimidate bonuses and a burrow speed. There's no way these are LA+0, even with the measly downsides.
At higher age categories, kobolds definitely aren't LA+0. At the beginning, they are too weak.
The Lacembra are done pretty well, but I can't imagine anyone playing a melee warrior Lacembra at low levels due to the cost increase of armor.
The Murderer seems good, though I'd suggest a name change, lest they be stigmatized by everyone.
Newesti seem okay, aside from the fact that Binders don't get familiars, nor arcane caster levels necessary to take the Obtain Familiar feat.
Planetouched: what is a "Divine"? We can infer, but you don't explain it and your wording is awkward here. Gensai remind me of the genasi. Also, does the Nephilim subtype even do anything for them that the Planetouched subtype does not?
Ranx: multiple limbs is always worth LA, and the only multi-limbed playable official races also have always had RHD.
How much blood can be licked up with one Sarli bite?
Xephii seem okay, aside from how many natural weapons they got. Be aware that they can easily get all these attacks off in one full attack at level, which is very strong at low level. I'd advise turning at least some of the natural weapons into feats.
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2. They never take falling damage and that is worth LA +1.
I don't think so.

It can easily be made irrelevant with a single first level spell. This isn't Powerful Build, or anything.
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Half-Elves are weaker than the official ones.
Because they lack the +2 against enchantment and instead have SR?

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Gnomes likewise, aside from heat metal. IIRC, that is a spell of higher level than 1, making it unbalanced at low-levels.
Changed to Produce Flame.

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Dwarves being Small with Powerful Build translates to "they're Medium, but have +1 AC, +1 attack and +4 Hide". That, combined with the caste abilities, means they're even better than official dwarves, which were already the second-best race of all time in many situations.
I'll remove Powerful Build then.

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Durzites are likewise strong, even if only for the summoning SLA.
I didn't think a single level one spell was worth LA +1. Also those spells listed function as weaker versions of the original summon monster.

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The Dunesti light sensivity might as well not be there. Keeping track of dazzled is pretty annoying, but it coming and going again soon just makes that worse.
I wanted to place one weakness at going outside at day, though I have removed the 1d4 rounds thing.

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Many of the Dragonborn Aspects warrant LA, especially Amber.
Basically all of them are minor benefits and the additional bonus require you to reach mid-levels to use them, which by then they aren't powerful abilities.

Except for the Amber Dragon. I cannot figure out how to balance it.

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Karmainians are ridiculously weak.
I'll increase its skills.
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Kephra have a netto +2 stat gain, +4 natural armor, have a rebirth mechanic, hefty bluff/intimidate bonuses and a burrow speed. There's no way these are LA+0, even with the measly downsides.
I've reduced it. Also the rebirth mechanic doesn't really effect mechanics or balance, it just means they generally don't die by old age.

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At higher age categories, kobolds definitely aren't LA+0. At the beginning, they are too weak.
I'm removed the Magic Fang.

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The Murderer seems good, though I'd suggest a name change, lest they be stigmatized by everyone.
Strangely everytime the appeared in the game (PC and NPC's), the name wasn't a problem at all. Everyone knew exactly which I was talking about each time.

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Newesti seem okay, aside from the fact that Binders don't get familiars, nor arcane caster levels necessary to take the Obtain Familiar feat.
That refers to my Binder Class, not the one in Tome of Magic. I probably should've made that clearer.

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Planetouched: what is a "Divine"? We can infer, but you don't explain it and your wording is awkward here.
In Blades of Keran, there are four types of gods: Divines are one of them. In other settings, Divines are generally a generic term for god.

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Gensai remind me of the genasi.
They are balanced off the Genasai...

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Also, does the Nephilim subtype even do anything for them that the Planetouched subtype does not?
Never heard of the Planetouched subtype.

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Ranx: multiple limbs is always worth LA, and the only multi-limbed playable official races also have always had RHD.
Fair enough.

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How much blood can be licked up with one Sarli bite?
Clarified.

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Xephii seem okay, aside from how many natural weapons they got. Be aware that they can easily get all these attacks off in one full attack at level, which is very strong at low level. I'd advise turning at least some of the natural weapons into feats.
I'll remove the bite attack.
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In my opinion, raptorans should have LA +1. Races of the Wild needed errata which was never done. The problem is that every WotC product contained numerous errors. Their 3rd edition was somewhat better than their 2nd edition. as those had some downright dreadful proofreading and editing. However, they produced sloppy work. As a result, people point to the raptoran as if it is just fine and it isn't. It's a bad model to use.

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In my opinion, raptorans should have LA +1. Races of the Wild needed errata which was never done. The problem is that every WotC product contained numerous errors. Their 3rd edition was somewhat better than their 2nd edition. as those had some downright dreadful proofreading and editing. However, they produced sloppy work. As a result, people point to the raptoran as if it is just fine and it isn't. It's a bad model to use.

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How does no fall damage make it overpowered.....
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