Careless Village WW - Page 5

Tom the Mime · 10-09-2012, 03:23 AM

I don't know which side I'll be on yet but that cake sounds tasty. Lex-kat for mayor.

It would be nifty if there was initially no mayor role, enough people vote for one and Count DingDong just runs with it

Eternis · 10-09-2012, 04:11 AM

Hmm... I think that Superdark33 looks a tad suspicious. But I like the idea of the cake!

bladescape · 10-09-2012, 04:40 AM

SuperDark33, because I dislike lynching a claimed Seer.

C'nor · 10-09-2012, 05:13 AM

Ramsus, for trying to get us to kill a Seer-claimant.

And Lex-Kat would be a good mayor.

super dark33 · 10-09-2012, 06:54 AM

Wait when did he seer claim?
who do you even mean?
Superdark is confused.

planswalker · 10-09-2012, 07:53 AM

A seer claim we have no way to verify and who conveniently has no scries we can use...

if he really IS a seer, he's doing us no good.

C'nor · 10-09-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by super dark33

Wait when did he seer claim?
who do you even mean?
Superdark is confused.

Forum Explorer. >.>

Why must superdark always seem like a wolf?

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Originally Posted by planswalker

A seer claim we have no way to verify and who conveniently has no scries we can use...

if he really IS a seer, he's doing us no good.

No. He isn't. Yet. But considering he was being lynched anyway, why not claim? It's not like he gets any deader. If someone counter-claims him, wonderful. We know he's probably a wolf.

If not, though, it does us no bloody good to kill someone who has a fairly high chance of being town, and the same, if not somewhat less, due to his recent actions, chance of being a wolf as anyone else.

Grue Bait · 10-09-2012, 08:59 AM

I'll vote SuperDark

Count Dingdong · 10-09-2012, 10:20 AM

Day 2

In early morn, two enter town. Twins they may appear, their thoughts are indeed different, but their motives the same. Searching through town, they approach townspeople. Ask one question, and one alone: "Have I talked to you before? Have you seen someone who looks like me?" At the response of no, they continue on, asking once again, circling town until other is finally found. Will they succeed? Or not? So many days left to try... And so many dangers still unknown.

In public square, site of last day's execution, villagers are gathered once again. On the platform are Advisor and Candidate battling back and forth for popular control. "I plan to uphold the dearly departed Mayor's will. To make this town the best it can be. A smooth transition, with someone who knows exactly what our beloved Mayor was planning. Not this sudden upheaval, killing whomever suits his fancy to quell riots, making out Scapegoats to be the real Devils here. Well, I know who the real devils are, and I can tell you the 'enemy' you killed yesterday at his bidding was no enemy at all, but one of you. We must stand together, united in these harsh times!"

In response, "Sure, what he says sounds right, but we need a change. These enemies have infiltrated us, and we need to fix that. For all we know, my opponent here is one of them. Are we going to trust his words straight away? Only someone with access to the Mayor would have been able to kill him, and he had the most access! Surely, you see my point? But if I'm elected the new Mayor, I will set my entire life on the line trying to rid this town of those demons. Vote for me!" As villagers mutter among themselves, deciding who is better candidate, a voice shouts from the audience, a Smart Alec talking. "Yeah, don't go to the Dark Side! They lied about the cookies!" before the crowd shuts him up. Debate continues...

Meanwhile, evening falls, and another enters town, following trails. He calls himself Detective but validity of his claim is untested. Will he really do what he claims, or is that just a ruse? Whatever the case, he's searching till he finds whatever, and it seems there's not much to do about him.

Returning to the mob, at dusk, debate escalates to riot, where only relatively calm are the two candidates. "...not trustworthy? You think I'm telling lies? I'll have you know I speak the truth! The real Devil here is Forum Explorer! He's the one who is at fault." Laugh in response, "You think that's enough? A Scapegoat? That's not going to be enough to clear you! And Forum Explorer? He's one of the Mayor's most trusted! Choose someone more believable next time..." A sneer and condescending chuckle: "Did you not say that only one close to the Mayor would be able to kill him? His accomplices fibbed, knowing the end of this was near. One was even killed last night to cover up, but it was too late. I tell you, with absolute certainty, that all the evidence points to him! With him gone, all should be safe. Assuming we have no more traitors, that is..." This time, a glance toward the Candidate, but whether mob notices or not is unknown, as they take the Accused and drag him to gallows against his will.

"What? I didn't- You can't? How could I have known the Scapegoat was innocent? I wasn't the only one! You'll see! You'll see just how wrong you were! This can't- You can't- Ahhh!!! Let me GO!!! I'm important! Seer! You can't!" The crowd doesn't give in ("What a Fool, to claim seer..."), and Executioner waits at gallows for them. "Brought rope this time. Can do this for real now. All evil must die..." A thud, dangling feet, and the deed is done, the townsfolk satisfied for the night, that for tonight at least, no one will die. But they don't know, it hasn't even begun...

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...and will end in 24 hours

Call for any onlookers to be Clueless Newcomers!

Reminder: no role reveals for Night Kills.
Make sure to post decisions in QT by deadline!
Wolves can decide on suggestions during night or day for the following night.

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planswalker · 10-09-2012, 11:16 AM

Well, have to admit, I was surprised to find out he was a devil...

C'nor · 10-09-2012, 11:17 AM

Yeah, not expecting that one... Lucky us, I guess?

Penguinator · 10-09-2012, 11:56 AM

*cracks knuckles*

Tom the Mime, you have the misfortune of being next on the list.

"One Clueless Newcomer assumes his role."

This being the logic behind it. You were the only clueless newcomer.

Unless I'm misinterpreting something, which is always possible...

gunnar11 · 10-09-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguinator

*cracks knuckles*

Tom the Mime, you have the misfortune of being next on the list.

"One Clueless Newcomer assumes his role."

This being the logic behind it. You were the only clueless newcomer.

Unless I'm misinterpreting something, which is always possible...

Wait what? He's a clueless newcomer so he's a wolf? Weird...

Anyway, ForumExplorer being a Devil was.... interesting...
Didn't expect that!

Anyway: does this mean people who didn't vote for ForumExplorer are evil? (they have more chance too, I might think...)

Hmmm... Let's just wait for tomorrow...

planswalker · 10-09-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguinator

*cracks knuckles*

Tom the Mime, you have the misfortune of being next on the list.

"One Clueless Newcomer assumes his role."

This being the logic behind it. You were the only clueless newcomer.

Unless I'm misinterpreting something, which is always possible...

I believe that one out of the 35 clueless newcomer roles is now the devil. It isn't known if the new newcomer is, one of yesterday's, or one that has yet to be decided.

at least, I think so.

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Originally Posted by gunnar11

Anyway: does this mean people who didn't vote for ForumExplorer are evil? (they have more chance too, I might think...)

Hmmm... Let's just wait for tomorrow...

not necessarily. Wolves like to join bandwagons so they don't stand out.

usourselves&we · 10-09-2012, 12:38 PM

'assumes his role' in the same way the four newcomers got their roles at the start of day two as seen on page three. Though that is not to say that newcomer number twenty-seven is not evil, it is all a possibility.

Matthias2207 · 10-09-2012, 01:09 PM

Gunnar is suspicious.

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Originally Posted by gunnar11

Second: Why, if he doesn't have a better target, does he have to die? That just seems like a weird rule. I myself don't have any clear target, so do I have to die?

As soon as he started his defence of FE, I suspected him of being a wolf. Now FE turned out to be the Devil...

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Originally Posted by gunnar11

Wait what? He's a clueless newcomer so he's a wolf? Weird...

Tom is very likely to be a wolf, if Gunnar turns out to be a wolf.

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Anyway, ForumExplorer being a Devil was.... interesting...
Didn't expect that!

Sure you didn't...

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Anyway: does this mean people who didn't vote for ForumExplorer are evil? (they have more chance too, I might think...)

Note: Gun voted for FE, but late last day. Trying to get suspicion on others?

Edit: He is new, of course. It could all just be inexperience. But still, my point stands. I don't trust him.

gunnar11 · 10-09-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthias2207

Gunnar is suspicious.
As soon as he started his defence of FE, I suspected him of being a wolf. Now FE turned out to be the Devil...

Does that mean I'm a wolf? How?

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Originally Posted by Matthias2207

Tom is very likely to be a wolf, if Gunnar turns out to be a wolf.

Again, how? Remember: Wolves don't know each others identity, so how would I know if he's a wolf if I were a wolf?

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Originally Posted by Matthias2207

Edit: He is new, of course. It could all just be inexperience. But still, my point stands. I don't trust him.

Wait, doesn't it make sense what I'm saying? I'm a rookie, yes, but do I really sound so rookie-ish?

Matthias2207 · 10-09-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnar11

Does that mean I'm a wolf? How?

Only wolfs defend wolfs.

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Again, how? Remember: Wolves don't know each others identity, so how would I know if he's a wolf if I were a wolf?

You have a point there, I forgot about that.

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Wait, doesn't it make sense what I'm saying? I'm a rookie, yes, but do I really sound so rookie-ish?

Pretty much, yeah. Defending others is something only masons and wolfs do, and than only when in real danger. (Look at the desperate seer claim FE made) Since it's only been one day, I don't think there is any imminent danger for anyone. Only option left: rookie. You'll learn, little one.

But don't take me too serious.

TBFProgrammer · 10-09-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnar11

Again, how? Remember: Wolves don't know each others identity, so how would I know if he's a wolf if I were a wolf?

Wolves might not know each others identities. I'm guessing that at least one other wolf knew or intuited Forum Explorer's alignment day 1, between Lex-Kat and C'nor. That was half my motivation for resuming the vote on FE (Planswalker being a mason simply meant that the masons could be excluded as a source of his defense).

The other half is simple, the argument that we shouldn't lynch day 1 comes from a newbie who is also a wolf. This is one of the few reliable enough tells that it should always be followed with a lynch (at least 80%, I think I've only seen it not hold when the community as a whole is new to the game).

Sorry I didn't manage to get on in time to actually post this during the day, thanks for not making it cost us.

gunnar11 · 10-09-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TBFProgrammer

Wolves might not know each others identities. I'm guessing that at least one other wolf knew or intuited Forum Explorer's alignment day 1, between Lex-Kat and C'nor. That was half my motivation for resuming the vote on FE (Planswalker being a mason simply meant that the masons could be excluded as a source of his defense).

The other half is simple, the argument that we shouldn't lynch day 1 comes from a newbie who is also a wolf. This is one of the few reliable enough tells that it should always be followed with a lynch (at least 80%, I think I've only seen it not hold when the community as a whole is new to the game).

Sorry I didn't manage to get on in time to actually post this during the day, thanks for not making it cost us.

That actually sound logical

I feel so dumb right now

planswalker · 10-09-2012, 03:25 PM

Sounds about like me for the first few days of MLP WW. Confused and feeling very dumb.

Lex-Kat · 10-09-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramsus

Wow, yeah, I don't want to be a lynch candidate because my opposition in this election (that I started) declared me evil. If she was a seer or a proxy that would have been an outright claim. As is, it's just misleading.

I do want to make clear, my vote for Ramsus was because he's my opposing candidate.

I'm not making any such claim to Seer or Proxy. Just slinging mud.... or in this case, cake.

Count Dingdong · 10-09-2012, 09:32 PM

Reminder: All Clueless Newcomers are roles randomly assigned to numbers (16-51). Anyone coming back or entering could be anything.

C'nor · 10-09-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TBFProgrammer

I'm guessing that at least one other wolf knew or intuited Forum Explorer's alignment day 1, between Lex-Kat and C'nor.

Huh? What do you mean?

Tom the Mime · 10-09-2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguinator

*cracks knuckles*

Tom the Mime, you have the misfortune of being next on the list.

"One Clueless Newcomer assumes his role."

This being the logic behind it. You were the only clueless newcomer.

Unless I'm misinterpreting something, which is always possible...

My response is basically what &we said earlier, with "his" referring to me rather than Forum Explorer. I'd hate to be lynched because of grammar related issues

Matthias2207 · 10-10-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom the Mime

My response is basically what &we said earlier, with "his" referring to me rather than Forum Explorer. I'd hate to be lynched because of grammar related issues

Grammar is a matter of life and death, never forget that!

Devmaar · 10-10-2012, 09:06 AM

I am sitting back in the discussion because I'm an extremely inexperienced Werewolf player and thusly struggle to read implications of various things, particularly at such an early stage.

Count Dingdong · 10-10-2012, 10:25 AM

Night 2

Our first scene: office, high in a building, overlooking town. Man sits, Businessman maybe, with feet on desk, as phone begins to ring. A glance and sigh, but no reach toward phone to answer. Man turns gaze to window, watching windows boarded up in fear, doors locked, rigged in panic. *RIIIIING* *RIIIIING* Again, but finally picked up. "Hello? ... Yes, I realize. The job will be done, don't you worr- Yes, as soon as- I know, but I'm bus- Fine, fine, but another- You see, I- ... ... ... ... Fine. Tomorrow. I'll try." Man puts down phone, reaches into pocket, comforted that it's still there, glances out window once again, leans head back and is soon snoring peacefully.

To our second scene: the gate, another walks in, head down in prayer, maybe a Monk, necklace of beads prominent on neck. Holds spiritual items on body, all sorts of strange objects. Walks from door to door, affixing items for whatever purpose they have. In his wake, nother man, a Follower, reaches out, to knock on one of these doors. Knock is halted as knuckles touch affixed item and man mutters curse. But he moves on to other business. They both have more to do...

Our third scene, the Society: again in circle, they cower in fear. "They're coming for me. I know they are. THEY'VE FOUND US OUT!!! In response, the Founder replies, "Be silent, composed. If they had, we'd have known. The Network keeps us updated, but they've been having their own problems. Revealed by whoever, one died today, assumed evil. We can only trust in their advice, and in our recruitments. They're on the way. Patience..." They continue meditating. Discussing.

Our fourth, the Network. Once again, they seem unsure. A Fool he may be, he's no worse off than rest. For nothing new, not much to find, few leads here and there. Are they real? Fake? Dead Ends? Truth? None, not even the Leader can tell. But the info leak gone, they may have more chance, so long as they can learn. Will more help? Or turn away? Night goes on in silence, contemplation...

Fifth, we come to the Meeting: Advisor discussing their plans. Today's events, rushed lynch, worthy sacrifice? From the Audience, a suggestion: "Lex-Kat should die! Her cake was a lie!" And so, late in night the deed was done, as we move to sixth, last scene: a home.

Scattered papers, dimly lit by candlelight. Moved by hand, shuffled around, trying to make sense. "It doesn't make sense. But it has to! What am I doing wrong? Think, think, think! Move this here, and... no. Move it this way? Still nothing. It makes no sense!" Grumbling, and working through the night, the Aggravated continues her frantic shuffling, not noticing the Watcher who crept in unnoticed. A simple motion, hand suppressing scream, and morning shows body draining blood over plans, now unreadable. Whether village notices or not, morning continues in preparation for another lynch.

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Day 3 begins
...and will end in 48 hours

Call for any onlookers to be Clueless Newcomers!

17 players -> 5 minimum for lynch
if want, can choose No Lynch for executioner kill
3 days without day-voting = autolynch

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planswalker · 10-10-2012, 10:32 AM

Well, color me surprised to still be in. I'd have thought the wolves would want me dead as a confirmed mason.

Not totally sure what to make of voting yet, this being my second WW and all. What do the more experienced people think?

Ramsus · 10-10-2012, 12:21 PM

Well I'm thinking C'nor since he pointed at me for wanting to lynch the Devil. And uh....apparently my competition has died so do I get to be mayor now?