Promotion is a fan term for what Fire emblem officially calls Class change.
Mage knight specifically is from Fire emblem 8 The sacred stones.
They are mounted and wield Anima magic and Staves.
Thank you for explaining!
What game will we use for Class Change?
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The dual-choice promotion system from FE8 Sacred Stones I expect, Kasanip. Maybe with a bit of a twist; like, for example, Roland can change from Mounted Knight to bow-wielding Paladin when he Promotes, as long as he can write a good enough fluff for it.
So Madeline can Promote to an undead-slaying Bishop or a horse-riding Valkyrie, I'd expect. Hell, I suppose you can turn Madeline into a Ragnaid-carrying Nalban Medic or even a full-blown Valkyria, if you can craft a story good enough to convince Sairyu.
EDIT: Okay, put up the next Falcon post. I'm really waiting on ZeltArruin and WhamBamSam at this point.
The dual-choice promotion system from FE8 Sacred Stones I expect, Kasanip. Maybe with a bit of a twist; like, for example, Roland can change from Mounted Knight to bow-wielding Paladin when he Promotes, as long as he can write a good enough fluff for it.
So Madeline can Promote to an undead-slaying Bishop or a horse-riding Valkyrie, I'd expect. Hell, I suppose you can turn Madeline into a Ragnaid-carrying Nalban Medic or even a full-blown Valkyria, if you can craft a story good enough to convince Sairyu.
EDIT: Okay, put up the next Falcon post.
And yes, I went there.
That actually brings up a good point. Sairyu are we ever going to fight monsters? Otherwise Bishop gets nerfed.
Here's Imeena's sheet. It would be interesting to promote into a mounted swordmaster type or a FE4/5 female paladin (sword/staff), but not decided yet. How would a physical/magical using class work anyway?
Lord bonuses not included, traded 10% growth for 2 stat points.
Stat
Value
Con
8
Move
7
Background
Imeena hails from Berca, a young, proud and perhaps naive noble who strongly believes in the concept of noblesse oblige. Having studied under the greatest Bercan generals of her day in warfare, horsemanship and swordplay, she fancies herself a competent soldier and tactician, yet will only turn her blade in self defense. She prefers swift resolutions and dislikes the current three-way deadlock between Farin, Hiroth and Berca, but sees no way out. A traditional Bercan at the core, but still openminded towards other cultures, Imeena travelled to various locales to come to a better understanding of their customs, hoping that this would be useful in ending the pointless bloodshed.
Imeena was not born into nobility, but adopted at an early age. This is why she namedrops her clan at every opportunity, it's because of her insecurity. As an "outsider" she feels the need to maintain an air of nobility and dignity more than the average noble, although this slips sometimes.
Kubravarain Background info
The Kubravarain family is one of the most influential parties in Barlad, the capital of Berca. They used to be a small plains tribe called the Kubravar, but rose to power in the vacuum left after the war against the Dark and are now firmly established in the city. As a post-war noble house, they do not have strong ties with the Nalban faith. They wield considerable political power with several members of parliament coming from this family, and have furnished many horses and materials for the military in order to gain their favour. Unlike the great tribes of old, however, the Kubravarain clan's real power lies not in their military might, but in their courier network "The Gentle Gendarmes" which provides transport and communications services throughout Berca. As a major distributor of food and supplies from the capital to the outlying plains, the Gentle Gendarmes enjoy good public relations with the common folk.
The current head of the family is Marve Kubravarain, a man known to be preoccupied with his work. That didn't stop him from having seven children with his wife Klavia; the eldest two sons Raja and Mengal are competing to be the heir to the family business. The third daughter, Imeena, showed promise as a soldier, while the fourth daughter, Farah owns her own personal library. The remaining three children are still in schooling. Marve's own siblings manage the day to day aspects of the Gentle Gendarmes, along with innumerable servants and maidservants.
Okay then, while everyone is here, let's consolidate the latest plan.
I'll like Durnock to have been dropped by Galer's Lance Cavalier #4 at C-I5 at the previous ally phase.
Paris moves to C-F1, drops Madeline at C-E1. I want to keep C-E2 clear so that Lenz has space to respawn.
Imeena to C-D5, offs Mage #1, cantos to C-E7. Sword Cavalier #6 is in position to strike our backline if we let him, so we have to make sure he doesn't.
Good show for Roland! Roland shoots at Archer #7.
Tactical retreat for Falcon. Falcon to C-M8, uses a Vulnerary.
Wotan equips Hand Axe, moves to C-M11 to screen for Falcon against Archer #4 and Lance Cavalier , uses a Vulnerary.
Oren to C-N14, attacks Lance Cavalier #8.
I want Sword Cavalier #5 dead for what he did to Nina, but mostly for the fact that he can strike our weakened south flank.
Argoth to C-H6, attacks Sword Cavalier #5.
Callum to C-I7, attacks Sword Cavalier #5, and cantos to C-J6 to screen Roland against Sword Cavalier #5.
If Sword Cavalier #5 is not dead by then, Durnock attacks Sword Cavalier #5.
Pause the update if Sword Cavalier #5 dies at any point.
Lloyd to W-F11. He will shout to influence both Galer's Fighter #2 and Sword Cavalier #4; Fighter #2 to pass the Antitoxin to Sword Cavalier #4, and Sword Cavalier #4 to give Lloyd a ride to the frontlines, taking the Antitoxin with him.
I think that's about all for everyone. Suggestions?
Okay then, while everyone is here, let's consolidate the latest plan.
I'll like Durnock to have been dropped by Galer's Lance Cavalier #4 at C-I5 at the previous ally phase.
Paris moves to C-F1, drops Madeline at C-E1. I want to keep C-E2 clear so that Lenz has space to respawn.
Imeena to C-D5, offs Mage #1, cantos to C-E7. Sword Cavalier #6 is in position to strike our backline if we let him, so we have to make sure he doesn't.
Good show for Roland! Roland shoots at Archer #7.
Tactical retreat for Falcon. Falcon to C-M8, uses a Vulnerary.
Wotan equips Hand Axe, moves to C-M11 to screen for Falcon against Archer #4 and Lance Cavalier , uses a Vulnerary.
Oren to C-N14, attacks Lance Cavalier #8.
I want Sword Cavalier #5 dead for what he did to Nina, but mostly for the fact that he can strike our weakened south flank.
Argoth to C-H6, attacks Sword Cavalier #5.
Callum to C-I7, attacks Sword Cavalier #5, and cantos to C-J6 to screen Roland against Sword Cavalier #5.
If Sword Cavalier #5 is not dead by then, Durnock attacks Sword Cavalier #5.
Pause the update if Sword Cavalier #5 dies at any point.
Lloyd to W-F11. He will shout to influence both Galer's Fighter #2 and Sword Cavalier #4; Fighter #2 to pass the Antitoxin to Sword Cavalier #4, and Sword Cavalier #4 to give Lloyd a ride to the frontlines, taking the Antitoxin with him.
I think that's about all for everyone. Suggestions?
Looks fine to me.
And the only thing I could see Nina changing for promotion. Is getting the Dancer/Bard ability. But that would either be op. Or I'd probably not like what I'd have to give up for it.
Name: Wotan
Class: Pirate
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Affinity: Light
Items: Vulnerary, Iron Axe
Base Stats
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HP 26
Str 9
Skl 4
Spd 7
Luck 1
Def 4
Res 1
Con 12
Growths
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HP 80%
Str 50%
Skl 30%
Spd 50%
Luck 30%
Def 45%
Res 20%
Appearance
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Somewhat unkempt brown hair and beard, blue eyes, and fair skin. Generally seen with a big grin on his face.
Backstory
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A wide eyed idealist. Was the sort of young man that runs off to seek his fortune at sea, but somehow never hit the stage where the realities of the life made him jaded. Almost always in high spirits and always ready for a good fight.
For the record, a standard Berserker promotion is fine for me.
EDIT: BTW, did I forget something about the exp system? Why does Falcon only have 49 EXP? 11 + 1 + 11 + 37 = 60 EXP in Turn VIII alone, I should think.
We're using a loose version of the FE8 job-change/promotion system.
What I mean by that I'm allowing custom promotions, though they must (of course) be cleared with me first.
Since we're still far from promotions, I'm willing to take suggestions if you'd like something else/different.
Ok, I will think about this.
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The dual-choice promotion system from FE8 Sacred Stones I expect, Kasanip. Maybe with a bit of a twist; like, for example, Roland can change from Mounted Knight to bow-wielding Paladin when he Promotes, as long as he can write a good enough fluff for it.
So Madeline can Promote to an undead-slaying Bishop or a horse-riding Valkyrie, I'd expect.
It is a problem because both [Bishop] and [Valkyrie] strategy is very different.
Sister and Troubadour characters are difficult to strategically use [Positioning] and offer many useful tactics, such as Sleep or Rescue or Warp or Mshield or HP Restoration. Such a way it is [Anticipation Mitigation] or [Response Mitigation]. Because such a role is also is [save from mistakes of a poor commander], or [recovery from unknown event], it is important class.
Promotion for such a class is to give a different role.
For Madeline who is a pacifist, I am not sure what will be chosen.
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Hell, I suppose you can turn Madeline into a Ragnaid-carrying Nalban Medic or even a full-blown Valkyria, if you can craft a story good enough to convince Sairyu.
It isn't fitting for a Fire Emblem game. Such a picture was just joke.
Of the game, is Nina with Paris with Imeena and Madeline now? I don't know if I should make a post.
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If you don't want to pick up attacking magic, we can trade it for something like 'Staff Range +2', 'Staves affect a 3-tile cone instead of just one tile', or something else along those lines.
If you don't want to pick up attacking magic, we can trade it for something like 'Staff Range +2', 'Staves affect a 3-tile cone instead of just one tile', or something else along those lines.
So instead of gaining light magic, Madeline will promote from a staff bot to a super staff bot?
That's... interesting. Might well be different enough to warrant a new class name altogether.
Looking at the Halberdier promotion... Adele doesn't really gain anything except a 'Pierce' ability. I was thinking of picking up a soldier with a 'shout' refresh ability. Or a second axis on the weapon triangle...
Hell, I'd pick Halberdier for a Wrath/Vantage combo instead of Luna .
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Of Support Conversations, of course it isn't decided. Probably it is better to be decided in story. But Madeline is very kind, so it is probably easy to talk to her. Being a cleric, important role is tactic and position, so to make support conversation is difficult in this kind of system. I prefer [Kakusei System] style, but it can't be helped.
How does the [Kakusei] style of support work? Just curious.
I think Adele will be pretty easy to gain support with. She won't attack on every turn, and probably end up the last one moving to either cover a breach or rescue another character.
Your comment on how Support Conversations are still undecided got me thinking...
[rant mode activated]
As you are all aware, the Fire Emblem series employs loads and loads of characters in each of their casts. Our duties as role-players is to puzzle out our cast calculus to organize our party into geodesic cliques determined by their our roles, motifs and affinities.
For example, Adele's optimal supports are: Oren, Lloyd, Madeline. Each of these characters serves as an immediate foil and handle for additional interaction. Though Adele might not have so much as a C support with half of the characters for most of this game, she can relate to more distant characters via her primary foils.
Oren and Adele are both career soldiers and horrible pacifists*. Lloyd and Adele are both young, but stand on the opposite sides of the law. Madeline and Adele are two pious girls belonging to two dramatically different belief systems.
Once you have an example of your own character's traits, a secondary foil character, and an axis on which they differ, then you can begin to draw in auxilary characters and define your character in relation to larger social instances.
*(grizzled veteran/green footpad, state lackey/mercenary, old man/young woman; quite a dynamic pair)
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Kakusei System is the one where you gain support based on actions you take (I think). So, things like attacking the same enemy and healing your ally would improve your support with them, rather than ending the round next to them. It's a a more dynamic system but I feel that it's more effort than I want to deal with with supports.
As for skills like Aura/Luna/Pierce/Flare, we're not using any of that. I've finally read up on them, but I don't feel like it's good design to introduce more randomness into the game*. I mean, I don't think you guys want to suddenly start seeing def/res-nulling skills on enemies, right?
For the record, Swordmasters and Berserkers will gain +10% crit on class-change (rather than an absurd 30%), stacking with the normal +5% myrmidon bonus (15% total, a la FE7+).
*It's the same argument for not throwing random SoD spells against a 3E D&D party; ultimately I can always have another monster with a disintigrate on its fingertips right around the corner, but the PCs are really only going to make so many saves.
Name: Roland Valent
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Class: Mounted Knight (Bow)
Affinity: Wind
Starting Items: Iron Bow, vulnerary
Description:
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A boyish looking young man with blonde hair that seems in a permanent state of disarray. His fair skin has been tanned from working outdoors most of the time. His green eyes always seem to be twinkling with mischief, and he's quick to smile. He favors green armor with yellow trim, to compliment his natural features.
Edit to add stats at lv 5
Stat
Value
Growth
Lv5
HP
18
70%
21
Str
6
55%
8
Skl
7
60%
10
Spd
5
40%
7
Lck
5
40%
9
Def
4
20%
4
Res
4
20%
4
Stat
Value
Con
8
Mov
7
Backstory:
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Raised as a temple knight in Hiroth, Roland was trained in Combat and Horsemanship from an early age. Despite his religeous upbringings, he's always been more interested in the goings on of the world outside.
The Church of Osulia has left it's mark on Roland, though. His faith is stronger than many other knights, and he's aversed to close combat, preferring to fight by fire and movement rather than trading blows and shedding blood with his enemies.
Roland enjoys the lighter things in life, and seems to always be looking for an excuse to laugh. Some at the temple thought he might be a bad influence on Aramel, as Roland was often caught getting into trouble as a child, although this might have actually been the other way around.
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If Cavalier 5 is not dead by the end of that barrage, Roland should probably kill him. It is unlikely that he'll survive it, but in the words of my esteemed compatriot, that cavalier needs to ****ing Die.
Aside from that highly improbable event, the rest looks cool :3
Oh! FE PoR and Radiant Dawn, Paladins could use bows (Astrid) and Knights that promoted TO Paladins could select bows as their new weapon choice.
Don't know if that'll influence the judgement any, but that's what I was figuring on.
Don't let small things like unit location dissuade you from posting ! But good question, are both Nina and Madeline riding on Paris' horse right now?
Ok, I will try to make a new post soon.
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Yup, they're both on Paris' horse.
If you don't want to pick up attacking magic, we can trade it for something like 'Staff Range +2'
Thank you for being open to new ideas.
Probably a skill shouldn't be designed such a way that makes [item] useless, so 'Staff Range +2' is probably not good. I will try to think of something.
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'Staves affect a 3-tile cone instead of just one tile', or something else along those lines.
What is the difference of Staves and Staff? I'm not sure what this suggestion's meaning is.
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Originally Posted by GrassyGnoll
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Your comment on how Support Conversations are still undecided got me thinking...
[rant mode activated]
As you are all aware, the Fire Emblem series employs loads and loads of characters in each of their casts. Our duties as role-players is to puzzle out our cast calculus to organize our party into geodesic cliques determined by their our roles, motifs and affinities.
For example, Adele's optimal supports are: Oren, Lloyd, Madeline. Each of these characters serves as an immediate foil and handle for additional interaction. Though Adele might not have so much as a C support with half of the characters for most of this game, she can relate to more distant characters via her primary foils.
Oren and Adele are both career soldiers and horrible pacifists*. Lloyd and Adele are both young, but stand on the opposite sides of the law. Madeline and Adele are two pious girls belonging to two dramatically different belief systems.
Once you have an example of your own character's traits, a secondary foil character, and an axis on which they differ, then you can begin to draw in auxilary characters and define your character in relation to larger social instances.
*(grizzled veteran/green footpad, state lackey/mercenary, old man/young woman; quite a dynamic pair)
Sorry, post that was asked about is from old OOC, it was accidentally copied with player character sheet.
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What is the difference of Staves and Staff? I'm not sure what this suggestion's meaning is.
The first is plural, the second is singular. In short, one is called a Staff, two or more are called Staves.
Come to think of it, how was the amount of support points gained between affinities decided? I've looked around, and realised that the actual Fire Emblem games had support gains tailored to individual characters; in other words, nothing like the set list we're using here.
I'm asking this, because I'm starting to get the feeling I may have screwed Falcon over by giving him the Wind affinity. That kind of limits his viable support choices, and -almost even worse - will mean he gains support rather slowly with most of the female party members. Given the skirt-chaser fluff he has, eh.
The first is plural, the second is singular. In short, one is called a Staff, two or more are called Staves.
Come to think of it, how was the amount of support points gained between affinities decided? I've looked around, and realised that the actual Fire Emblem games had support gains tailored to individual characters; in other words, nothing like the set list we're using here.
I'm asking this, because I'm starting to get the feeling I may have screwed Falcon over by giving him the Wind affinity. That kind of limits his viable support choices, and -almost even worse - will mean he gains support rather slowly with most of the female party members. Given the skirt-chaser fluff he has, eh.
Falcon and roland are the only ones with Wind Affinity, yes?
They are rather similar, both are pumping crit and dodge (Or at least dodge over def) so it makes a weird sort of sense.
As for the ladies, it seems the character type is light hearted and lucky, but doesn't settle down easilly. Totally skirt chasers.
Roland hasn't done anything that makes me think 'skirt-chaser' yet so far, though.
Well, the 'doesn't settle down easily' thing is a good point, but even so you'd think Wind-affinity guys would be more charismatic than their support gain lists would indicate. I was actually wondering whether I could have Falcon and Madeline recreate a variant on Joshua-Natasha sometime back, but in this game with this list, that'll be my single worst choice since it'll take forever.
On another note, it has just occurred to me that my Falcon posts are easily some of the goriest in the entire IC thread, by far. Are you guys fine with that, or should I tone it down a little?
Since you still don't have any supports, you could ask for an affinity reassignment and maybe it might just be granted. And personally, I have no problem with this level of gore.
I'm not sure I understand Kasanip's latest IC post. Does that mean Madeline hates Imeena now or what?
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