I'm going to have to actually type out some support conversations with people eventually. Luckilly, Roland gains support so slowly that it likely won't be an issue for another 4 maps.
Yeah, but could you ever see Adele making a successful diplomacy check?
1) Paris has diplomacy as a class skill.
2) Keep in mind that here she is totally out of her element. Surrounded by enemies. This is not what is normal for her. In ordinary cases, she wouldn't choose to be surrounded by Osulians. As such, she is on edge, and more likely to be sarcastic. Adele is in her element. This is natural for her.
3) Paris at least tries to be polite. Just look at "Mr. Riffraff."
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1) Paris has diplomacy as a class skill.
2) Keep in mind that here she is totally out of her element. Surrounded by enemies. This is not what is normal for her. In ordinary cases, she wouldn't choose to be surrounded by Osulians. As such, she is on edge, and more likely to be sarcastic. Adele is in her element. This is natural for her.
3) Paris at least tries to be polite. Just look at "Mr. Riffraff."
1) Paris has diplomacy as a class skill.
2) Keep in mind that here she is totally out of her element. Surrounded by enemies. This is not what is normal for her. In ordinary cases, she wouldn't choose to be surrounded by Osulians. As such, she is on edge, and more likely to be sarcastic. Adele is in her element. This is natural for her.
3) Paris at least tries to be polite. Just look at "Mr. Riffraff."
2): This is true. There's going to be some point in the future where it comes to light that her father is wanted by the Osulian church, and that there's a significant bounty attatched for information leading to his capture.
Druid. Animal companion: small pony. Semi-healing ability that isn't anywhere near as useful as a cleric. (Does nothing mechanically, but she has all those vials.) Uses Divine Magic, not Arcane. Lawful Neutral, so she fits on the Druidic Neutrality spectrum.
The first character I played was a Tiefling Druid Diplomat. He had 9 Cha until much later. At which point he had amassed +19 to Diplomacy, anyway.
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2): This is true. There's going to be some point in the future where it comes to light that her father is wanted by the Osulian church, and that there's a significant bounty attatched for information leading to his capture.
Nina will be extermly pissed if you sell out her friend
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Druid. Animal companion: small pony. Semi-healing ability that isn't anywhere near as useful as a cleric. (Does nothing mechanically, but she has all those vials.) Uses Divine Magic, not Arcane. Lawful Neutral, so she fits on the Druidic Neutrality spectrum.
The first character I played was a Tiefling Druid Diplomat. He had 9 Cha until much later. At which point he had amassed +19 to Diplomacy, anyway.
At least until you promote and get staves.
And wow Druids don't get knowledge religion.
And Nina's Neutral/Chaotic good so she meets the Bard alignment requirements.
Nina will be extermly pissed if you sell out her friend
Yes, and won't that be an interesting bit of contention?
At current, there is no reason Roland would NOT immediately sell out Paris. He'd probably justify it
"Oh! It all makes sense now! She's wrong because her father was a heretic! Poor girl, no one knows WHAT he did to her... we'd better get her into the care of the church right away so we can fix this..."
That would, however, transfer all blame from Paris to her father, at which point Roland would regard her as sympathetic. He'd be unsure of why Nina was mad, to boot XD "But... I did the right thing!"
I'm thinking much better version of the SSwashbuckler class in Complete warrior.
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Yes, and won't that be an interesting bit of contention?
At current, there is no reason Roland would NOT immediately sell out Paris. He'd probably justify it
"Oh! It all makes sense now! She's wrong because her father was a heretic! Poor girl, no one knows WHAT he did to her... we'd better get her into the care of the church right away so we can fix this..."
That would, however, transfer all blame from Paris to her father, at which point Roland would regard her as sympathetic. He'd be unsure of why Nina was mad, to boot XD "But... I did the right thing!"
No you didn't! Paris isn't burning the crops, or butchering village maidens! She just happens to follow a different god then you! Or we should we sell out Madeline!?
No you didn't! Paris isn't burning the crops, or butchering village maidens! She just happens to follow a different god then you! Or we should we sell out Madeline!?
"How dare you? How DARE you?! Madeline and the other Bercans with their spirit-worship are just following ancient traditions. We defended them against the Dark, that same Dark Paris flirts with. They aren't hurting anyone. Paris attacked a temple! Her cult is trying to fragment our unified stand against the Dark! That same darkness that almost WIPED OUT Madeline's people! Do you even know WHY they're wanted?"
"Madeline and the other Bercans with their spirit-worship are just following ancient traditions. They aren't hurting anyone. Paris attacked a temple! Her cult is trying to fragment our unified stand against the Dark! Do you even know WHY they're wanted?"
"No. She doesn't. Neither do you. In fact, the only reason anyone from my cult is wanted is because Osulians are poor sports about runaways."
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"Madeline and the other Bercans with their spirit-worship are just following ancient traditions. They aren't hurting anyone. Paris attacked a temple! Her cult is trying to fragment our unified stand against the Dark! Do you even know WHY they're wanted?"
Because when Osulians talk about unity, they really mean shut up and do whatever we say you can do.
"No. She doesn't. Neither do you. In fact, the only reason anyone from my cult is wanted is because Osulians are poor sports about runaways."
"I'm sure raiding temples had nothing to do with it"
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Because when Osulians talk about unity, they really mean shut up and do whatever we say you can do.
"No, they mean 'conserve your strength, stand together, the real enemy is still out there'. And they're not just saying it, there's things in the dark, stories you hear from the Holy Knights..."
I'd like to remind you that the Church of Osulia does provide many positive influences and programmes, not the least of which being universities, libraries, and schooling. They are the driving force behind both technological and thamaturgical progress in these parts. Progress is, in fact, the driving goal (apotheosis) of this religion.
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Although these events occurred in the past, they believe that they, humans, must constantly seek to improve both themselves and humanity. As such, the church of Osulia is quite progressive and funds many centers of higher learning across the world. Many innovations, such as sub-irrigation (popular amongst coastal agricultural regions) and double-hulled boats stem from Osulian-funded universities. At heart, the church preaches a message of "progress as salvation".
I'm not sure where you're getting the "shut up and do it my way or the highway" vibe, because the Church, while a major political player, is still ultimately subject to the authority of whichever local lord so long as it doesn't transition into abject stupidity.
Is it because the party's previous interactions have only been with Linia, who is basically a (young) soldier and is stiff and impersonal as a coping mechanism? Is it the way that I've portrayed the church in the fluff (I'm not really a good writer, I admit)?
I'm pretty curious about this.
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Oh yeah, you know why the major religions hate cults?
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Regardless of the nature of their benefactors, the Renyu do not appear to be an overtly violent or disruptive cult. Although they employ a distressingly large amount of black-magic practitioners within their ranks, there is little evidence that they have been subverted by the Dark. Further observation is required.
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"The Renyu have been growing increasingly violent as of late. Several parishes in smaller townies have been attacked and ransacked in the past few months. A missive has been sent to the superiors in Lene requesting further orders."
It's not just Osulia that deals with this either.
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Employed by the Church of Nalba: Rielite suppression in the Tranto region (166-167AV)
Suppression is a nice, sugar-coated way of saying extermination, by the way.
Edit: If you hadn't guessed, the Dark is a pretty big deal with the churches, who have records that are pretty good reminders of just how ruinous the War against the Dark really was. Berca, for example, was nearly exterminated entirely.
Although it's been a long time since the War (172 years and a bit) and the memories of the peasantry and gentry are beginning to fade on the topic, the Churches still do remember. Not all of the church members, some being of the current generation and more concerned with their own goals and advancement, but enough of them (in the higher positions) do.
At this point, I'm thinking of having Tyra be horrible at history because I'm too lazy to read the setting backstory. And no, I didn't even read the history notes I'd asked for. I got three sentences in and thought "F**k That."
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Frankly, I see the church of Osulia as a "Humanity First" sort of thing. They probably preach about the Divinity of Mankind, don't really have any "Gods" (Nameless Hero filling that role) and are big on Acts>Faith.
That's what I get from the Lore.
Roland, of course, is from a smaller, rural area, and has known nothing but good from his association with the Church. They keep the monsters away, help make everyone's lives easier, and preach about unity and betterment of Humanity.
Paris, on the other hand, Father Lightbringer had some serious intrigue going on, and there's probably something dark going on there (I'm guessing here, that someone really WAS corrupted by the dark, blamed it on him, and managed to convince the inquisitors/knights/whoever is in charge of investigating of the same.)
In-character wise, I'm guessing there's some sealed documents about Father Lightbringer labelled "Excommunicae Tratoris" that detail how he sacrificed his wife to the Dark, then reanimated her corpse as a zombie to allay suspicion. The man who reported him goes down a hero, above later investigation, and FL takes the fall, with his survival being the only kink in the plan.
The problem I have with the Renyu is that you changed stuff I gave you to the point where I don't readily identify with it.
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Paris, on the other hand, Father Lightbringer had some serious intrigue going on, and there's probably something dark going on there (I'm guessing here, that someone really WAS corrupted by the dark, blamed it on him, and managed to convince the inquisitors/knights/whoever is in charge of investigating of the same.)
In-character wise, I'm guessing there's some sealed documents about Father Lightbringer labelled "Excommunicae Tratoris" that detail how he sacrificed his wife to the Dark, then reanimated her corpse as a zombie to allay suspicion. The man who reported him goes down a hero, above later investigation, and FL takes the fall, with his survival being the only kink in the plan.
I mean, heck, I didn't write them to have any of this junk. The Renyu were intended to be more about "We're dark users, so we're distrusted. We just want to be accepted, so we're splitting off" and it got turned into "WE'RE ANGRY! RAH! ATTACK THAT TEMPLE! BLARGH!"
Not that it's all Sairyu's fault.
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I'd like to remind you that the Church of Osulia does provide many positive influences and programmes, not the least of which being universities, libraries, and schooling. They are the driving force behind both technological and thamaturgical progress in these parts. Progress is, in fact, the driving goal (apotheosis) of this religion.
I'm not sure where you're getting the "shut up and do it my way or the highway" vibe, because the Church, while a major political player, is still ultimately subject to the authority of whichever local lord so long as it doesn't transition into abject stupidity.
Is it because the party's previous interactions have only been with Linia, who is basically a (young) soldier and is stiff and impersonal as a coping mechanism? Is it the way that I've portrayed the church in the fluff (I'm not really a good writer, I admit)?
I'm pretty curious about this.
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Oh yeah, you know why the major religions hate cults?
It's not just Osulia that deals with this either.
Suppression is a nice, sugar-coated way of saying extermination, by the way.
Edit: If you hadn't guessed, the Dark is a pretty big deal with the churches, who have records that are pretty good reminders of just how ruinous the War against the Dark really was. Berca, for example, was nearly exterminated entirely.
Although it's been a long time since the War (172 years and a bit) and the memories of the peasantry and gentry are beginning to fade on the topic, the Churches still do remember. Not all of the church members, some being of the current generation and more concerned with their own goals and advancement, but enough of them (in the higher positions) do.
Nina's just snapping at Roland. She really mostly uncaring about religion.
Also does Dark magic really strength the Dark? Seems like something Nina would know.
And Nina wouldn't know about what the Renyu has been doing.
Although it's been a long time since the War (172 years and a bit) and the memories of the peasantry and gentry are beginning to fade on the topic, the Churches still do remember. Not all of the church members, some being of the current generation and more concerned with their own goals and advancement, but enough of them (in the higher positions) do.
Since religion is not as big in Farin, the populace would be more adverse to it regardless of its purpose. Also it is not a stretch to say the farther out the missionaries go, decay in values can result. Corruption can spread more easily and would be harder to detect from the churches in Hiroth. Lloyd's comment was about how the church is flawed in its teachings, making it not above the cults it pursues (Lloyd's not really enthusiastic on either). Besides, what would happen if Paris was to be captured by the Osulia church? Nothing pleasant I would imagine.
Really depends on who takes her, I'd wager.
Whoever is at the heart of that old conspiracy would want her to point out her father, then die silently and unmourned. But if non-conspirators took her, there'd probably be assassins. If it happened here, I'd suspect she'd get fair treatment, but be kept in a cell until the assassins showed up.
There's likely going to be a map involved, with "Protect Paris" as the objective.
Lloyd's stance on the Church showcases a bit more of the Hirothi/Farin split. If they don't agree on Religeon, and said religeon is a driving force in Hiroth, they wouldn't agree on much else, either.
@Nohbdy
Yup, exactly. The Church (either church) isn't anything resembling a big deal in Farin and the nobility likes to keep it that way. Missionaries tend to live more hand-to-mouth and, well, it's a lot harder to say no to some shiny coins if you need them to not be hungry and cold.
Also the climate is colder than in Farin in many areas, because mountains.
@Herpestidae
Haha, that's exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned the 'current generation that's begining to forget' the importance and danger of the Dark. They just don't see what the point of all this ancient history is.
@Illven
Using "Dark" magic is not inherrently evil. True "Dark" magic does not strengthen the Dark but draws directly from Akasha, the "first" element, which is a more "true" state of the world than the elemental laws that govern anima magic. False "Dark" magic is an imperfect understanding which contracts agents of the Dark and borrows their power, which is derived from Akasha. This false magic does strengthen the Dark.
For example, Luna is magic drawn directly from Akasha, which pierces the lesser protective weaves of the anima system. Nosferatu is magic drawn through agents of the Dark, resulting in a twisted strain of Akashic magic that affects the world as might Anima magic and leeches health directly to the wielder.
The problem with true "Dark" magic (and Akasha in general) is that it is incompatible with aether, the magic of "Light", which burns it away. Take into account that it is a widely unexplored field and that humanity's prior encounters with "Dark" magic has been mainly with agents of the Dark (or mages borrowing power from agents of the Dark) and you can see why there'd be discrimination.
"Dark" magic is basically not understood at all except by a very select few, and they're not the most forthcoming of peoples.
@Penguinator
Remember that the document is writen by a church scribe. There may be some bias there.
Let me show how I spun the information in your PM though:
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They're decent-sized. A few thousand members, give or take a couple hundred. Smaller than normal groups, but large for a cult.
Membership is estimated at a few hundred members --> Current membership is estimated to be in the low thousands; scribe-superior Julus approximates the number to be at approximately two and a half thousand [2500].
>> Numbers that grew over a ~15 year period to the current given size. No problem here.
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Originally, Father Lightbringer worked under the Osulian church. He married a woman who was also involved, and together they had Paris. When the woman was killed through corruption of the church, Father Lightbringer swore to wreak his vengeance against the church. He took the name "Lightbringer" and began the Renyu cult, taking on shaman who had stood against decades of discrimination by the church for their preference of dark magic.
The “Renyu” are a splinter-off group of the traditional Osuli church. They are headed by a certain Lucas Decim... Chaplain... disappeared from Church records approximately five [5] years in the past following the death of his wife, Mana Decim along the Hiroth-Farin border*.
*There are no official records detailing any transfer from her station here in Walden... postulate that her reassignment to the warfront was due to her offending some politically significant lordling or another... no concrete evidence to support such lines of thought. This incident does, however, coincide with a confidential visit in 151AV by lord [redacted] from Lusse, where several heated words were exchanged between the parties.
>> I made up the names. Do you need me to change that? I wanted it to be consistent with the latin-y naming schemata of the church (lets say they recieve a latin name and it may not be his real name?).
What happened here? His wife pissed off some bigwig who leaned on the church (via bribes, threats, whatever); he greased up some of the more pliable (read: corrupt) members of the church and they sent her off on the front lines to go break a Farin castle (not a good place to be).
She dies, FL figures out that she died for no good reason and turns his back on the Church.
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The Renyu have been growing increasingly violent as of late. Several parishes in smaller townies have been attacked and ransacked in the past few months...
>> I figured he wouldn't just up and send his child off for no reason and that it was part of some overarching campaign. The other raids might even be diversions for Paris' lone crusade.
You also talked about some schisms within the Renyu in your post. That... has a lot to do with their current behavior.
It makes total sense that a religious schism would result in violence. In the sense that it actually doesn't make any rational sense, but it happens anyway. History decay, etc.
My interpretation of the Church of Osulia so far is as a 'First Council of Nicea' era conglomerate of Christendom. I would give leeway for certain Gnostic and rural pagan elements. Specifically there seems to be a current of Gnosticism between the aesthetically Catholic Church of Osulia and animist-Buddhist holism of Nalba. The Light/Dark duality, messiah figure and current of Humanism is very close conceptually to a 'catholic' (lower-case 'c') Christianity.
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"...Eventually, [FL] sent her to destroy several Osulian churches, and she was told that they would be destroyed..."
Huh. I guess it's not that bad. I just forgot most of it. Like the above. And the part about the mother. And the revenge. And, given things I came up with later, would probably retcon some of it... Ah, well. Too late for that, I guess.
Send me that PM again, I deleted it by mistake.
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Sorry for not replying sooner, I missed your post.
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Another thing I've just realized: How did Edgar know that Falcon was incapped? Did a noncombatant npc run up and deliver the message to him? Or in FE-verses, do named npcs just know when stuff like that happens?
It's a big deal when a big name character like "the Bloodwind" bites it. I posted a little snippet to showcase just how fast word would spread.
You can assume that named NPCs can "see" everything on the map* that they're on as well, barring fog/blind/etc.
*If they have an Authority rating, they also can percieve the actions of whatever units are benefiting from their leadership.
@Illven
It's definately easier to learn the imperfect theory, because it is designed (by the Dark) to have a passing ressemblance to Anima theory. Most mages that go down the path of Dark magic never progress past that step.
As far as Nina (and most layman practitioners) would know, Dark magic is contract magic with the Dark. That although powerful, it feeds power to the Dark, which is pretty bad news for humanity.
She might know more, depending on how good a student she was (ie. if a professor favored her enough to let her assist them with their research into the mysterious and unexplored element, "Akasha").
She might also deduce that the Dark cannot be the source of Dark magic (or it would have disappeared/diminished to inconsequentiality upon their defeat) and so there must be some kind of unknown system of magic behind their magic and, therefore, the magic drawn through them.
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Anima magic manipulates the laws of the natural world. It is broken into four broad categories of study:
the study of air: of linear motion and vector space in three dimensions
the study of fire: of free motion and rapidly shifting dynamical systems
the study of water: of natural efficiency and the beauty of ratios
the study of earth: of the basis of the numbers which form the foundation of understanding
It is a highly logical thamaturgical system that rejects the irrationality of the immutable and unchanging aether but which is superceded by the more "true" magic that stems from Akasha.
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