The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)

[Triscuitable]

Originally Posted by MLai

Blame the internet.

Damn you, internet.

[shadow_archmagi]

Originally Posted by Triscuitable

Damn you, internet.

hey whoa that's a personal attack! The internet could flag that post and have you banned!

[Triscuitable]

Originally Posted by shadow_archmagi

hey whoa that's a personal attack! The internet could flag that post and have you banned!

Should I edit all mentions of the internet from my post? This could be bad! Don't tell the mods!

[jaybird]

Originally Posted by Tavar

Carbon compounds =/= organic compounds and processes.

Yes it does. The whole POINT of organic chemistry is the way carbon acts in various compounds.

[Tavar]

Originally Posted by jaybird

Yes it does. The whole POINT of organic chemistry is the way carbon acts in various compounds.

Not all Carbon Compounds are Organic compounds though. And, possibly more important, not all aspects of dealing with the Organic compounds are themselves organic processes: see the creation of Carbon Nanotubes, or other such things.

I've taken Organic Chemistry, and just because a molecule has carbon in it does not mean biological processes made it.

[Soras Teva Gee]

Originally Posted by Tavar

Not all Carbon Compounds are Organic compounds though. And, possibly more important, not all aspects of dealing with the Organic compounds are themselves organic processes: see the creation of Carbon Nanotubes, or other such things.

I've taken Organic Chemistry, and just because a molecule has carbon in it does not mean biological processes made it.

Heck I'd say this is should be especially so with various forms of carbon.

At the risk of being overly broad organisms are big mixing bowls of chemicals. You throw whatever into the mix, stirr, and wait for the reaction. That's I dare say is why you can have some very complex products in organic systems, the chemical reaction has been cascading for a couple of billion years now.

Which of course when talking about only one ingredient poses a huge problem. Put two lumps of coal in a bowl and what happens? Broadly speaking nothing.

A diamond isn't all that chemically complex, its all one element. It however only occurs when there are certain pressures and heat, only found naturally deep within the Earth or at the site of major explosions like meteor impacts. And our methods of making diamonds replicate this.

(I can accept a little play in this, but its still a huge hurtle that blithe statements relying on underfined methods are totally ignoring. This isn't just not known to be possible but having good reason to suspect something isn't)

[Chess435]

This thread got so derailed that the derail got derailed.

[The Glyphstone]

Originally Posted by Chess435

This thread got so derailed that the derail got derailed.

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[Kinslayer]

Originally Posted by The Glyphstone

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[Triscuitable]

Originally Posted by Chess435

This thread got so derailed that the derail got derailed.

Hey, quiet. I was waiting for the conversation to be over so I could ask what PCC sells all-organic weaponry. I've been looking to keep my house green.

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[Peacemoon]

Guns for example are a "dead" technology as of about fifty years ago, the laws of physics leave them nowhere to go. - soras



Last time i checked we were still using them ...

[Don Julio Anejo]

Originally Posted by Peacemoon

Guns for example are a "dead" technology as of about fifty years ago, the laws of physics leave them nowhere to go. - soras



Last time i checked we were still using them ...

Ballistics hasn't improved one bit in the last 100 years since the advent of full power centre-fire smokeless cartridges, the only thing we've done since then is moved to a smaller intermediate calibre, which happened mostly to reduce weight of ammo and get better armor penetration. Chambers/actions themselves haven't improved much (except for a few handguns) since the 60's - we're still using M-16/AR-15 derivatives, and much of that was the paradigm shift from SMG for CQC and rifle for range to a universal assault rifle; and slightly better manufacturing technology. We could make fully automatic guns as far back as WWI, they were just really big and not very portable. While there were some improvements after the 60's, all of them were incremental and evolutionary, not revolutionary the same way a magazine or a cartridge were.

Most of the current development are things like laser pointers and mildot sights, and are a result of completely non-related technologies.

[Brother Oni]

There have been other innovations, but they're currently very experimental or there were significant design flaws that effectively made the technology non-viable.

Gyrojet ammunition was found not to have any significant benefits for its drawbacks, and caseless ammunition was pretty much the same.

I know some weapon systems are messing about with electrically triggered munitions (the Metal Storm system comes to mind), but in general I agree that there's not much more for chemically driven firearms to develop, which is a different issue to them being the currently most effective personal weapon available.

[An Enemy Spy]

Originally Posted by Triscuitable

Hey, quiet. I was waiting for the conversation to be over so I could ask what PCC sells all-organic weaponry. I've been looking to keep my house green.

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You do realize that this is a multiplayer gametype right?

[Triscuitable]

Originally Posted by An Enemy Spy

You do realize that this is a multiplayer gametype right?

You do realize that post is over two months old, right?