Also, change ending of Canterlot wedding at point when Celestia attacks Chrysalis, where, instead of getting beaten, she and Luna take turns in smacking the living crud out of her, while Shining, Cadance and the Mane cast (plus Crusaders, Spike and Derpy, with help from all the supporting cast), taking heart from their rulers epically kicking flank DBZ style, re-enact the fight scene and smacking the living crud out of the Changeling swarm (including the Swarm's higher-level boss characters), and it ends up with the Changelings being soundly routed, and their queen reflecting that maybe attacking a country ruled by two goddesses whom you've just royally (ahaha) fracked off was something of a stupid idea...
(Told you, didn't I?)
My take on that would've involved a recreation/reenaction of the "world of cardboard" speech from the finale of JLU. Except the only things that'd change from the original in general would be the timing/order of events.
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Celestia's loss of the beam-o-war wouldn't end the fight, instead causing guards to swarm in, aided by the main six, whom Chrysalis repeatedly, and seemingly effortlessly, wipes the floor with. In the commotion Cadance attempts to free Shining, meeting the same level of success - he comes to, but is unable to reinforce the shield again. Chrysalis gloats as the changeling horde breaks the shield down, but is assaulted once again by Twilight, beating her back once again with little trouble. The changelings begin to overrun the city, and Chrysalis starts monologuing to Twilight on the futility of the latter's efforts, when someone suddenly politely interrupts her. Turning around, the changeling queen meets a solar blast which throws her back into the far wall, but she remains standing. Cue Celestia, radiant as the Sun, advancing on Chrysalis as her guards and subjects look in awe, and reciting a monologue of her own, of how she is forced to restrict her powers for fear of being overtaken by them and inadvertently harming the people she protects. Another beam-o-war ensues, one that Chrysalis almost loses, jumping out of the way at the final moment. As Celestia is about to finish the fight, Chrysalis suddenly transforms into.. Luna! Being given free reign of Canterlot allowed her to copy the look and mannerisms of the night princess well enough that the sight of her on the ground, beaten and shielding herself against her sister causes Celestia to hesitate. Chrysalis uses the opening and blasts Celestia again, this time in a continuous unrelenting attack. Exhausted and unable to help, Twilight calls out to Shining, again urging him to perform the spell, and Cadance steps up as well, offering her power to supplement his. We more or less know how it ends from there.
That said, I would probably not rewrite anything, even if I were given the power. Compared to what is already there, anything I would write up would be of inferior quality. Yes, even for the things like Mare Do Well, Over a Barrel, or Feeling Pinkie Keen.
As far as ponythread weapons/entities go, I suppose one does not get more powerful than the ability to manipulate/move/destroy/create whole branches of the Multiverse at once, but since I never actually use any of those things openly, you may as well keep me off the list. I mean, what's the point of powers being listed if they're never being used? (I suppose by that logic we should put the OFC fleet up front. It doesn't matter if they're not the most powerful thing we got here, because they're getting used often enough to make up for it. :P)
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...then writing atrocious "letter" contrary to events of the episode.
Awww, I thought the letter was hilariously approriate.
Maybe adjust the letter a bit to be in better alignment on the lesson of quality over quantity?
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Nah, I'm pretty sure Chrysalis was more powerful than Celestia at that time and legitimately walloped the good princess in a straight DBZ beam fight.
A part of me just likes the idea of really powerful beings who limit themselves and actually let others help and be part of the team and learn something from it... But that's just personal fanon, it can be ignored.
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So, make the story into cheap fanfic contradicting whole canon? Where would be any tension in that?
I suddenly have much more respect for Strife's stance on rewriting now.
I'm sorry I keep picking arguments with you, but... what?
Which part are you objecting to - the idea that teamwork can work, or that a leader can be inspirational, or that Celestia-and-Luna are a force to be reckoned with? Or what?
Also, what "whole canon" are you talking about? If your objection is the first, I point you first of all at the Elements of Harmony - which can only work in concert with one another. If the third, take a look at the abilities each has demonstrated over the course of canon - including brilliant light (similar to that with which phoenixes defeat dragons), weather control, single-hoofedly raising and lowering the sun and moon, teleportation, and what appears to be inanimate-to-animate transformation without a hint of hornglow. These may not be directly combat-relevant, but I defy you to point to anything in canon, outside the episode whose redesign is under discussion, that suggests the Princesses cannot handle themselves in a fight.
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Awww, I thought the letter was hilariously approriate.
Maybe adjust the letter a bit to be in better alignment on the lesson of quality over quantity?
Um, I just had three problems with it - first, I don't see Twilight letting Princess get so colloquial/rude letter (one fan even wrote comic about it, and it was hilarious). Second, this part - If you take your time to do things the right way, your work will speak for itself - nope, brothers did legitimately better work (at least before being conned into accepting uneven terms), and AJ rushed her work exploiting unpaid help from her friends. Third - I knew that already (about her friends helping her no matter what) - would have been nice if someone called AJ about not leaving some cider for her friends (including RD for years) and about openly profiting from them (I wouldn't mind cost/labor, but making big profit off friends is just wrong).
Also, it lacked conclusion - if brothers show up with better machine, simply use already picked apples, or somepony not trying to play fair gets machine, AJ loses, hard, unless she will extort even more unpaid labor somehow. You can't win with mechanization in farming, that's why I preferred fair deal ending.
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Nah, I'm pretty sure Chrysalis was more powerful than Celestia at that time and legitimately walloped the good princess in a straight DBZ beam fight.
A part of me just likes the idea of really powerful beings who limit themselves and actually let others help and be part of the team and learn something from it... But that's just personal fanon, it can be ignored.
You know, I wouldn't mind seeing Celestia/Luna being strong if the writers think of legitimate reason why they lose all the time - better than 'world of cardboard' that is. Having real reason of limiting themselves could be one. I agree, they should be strong, if simply from experience/practice. I just don't buy the whole 'goddess' stuff - if simply because they have been round a short time and it frankly doesn't suit them, IMHO.
Also! How to make 3 episodes 200% cooler. Maybe even 2000% cooler
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1x06: Goes as written, except small scene in the end: Celestia reads letter from Twilight, smiles and says: "You passed the test nicely, Twilight. Even anxiety and fear of peer pressure didn't stopped you from beating Ursa!" Camera moves backward, showing her sister, then focuses on her flank, where wand trail cutie mark slowly bends into familiar moon. Celestia winks
2x26 - This scene is inserted into the middle. We also see a flashback to sighing Luna, magically operating Chrysalis' puppet, which "defeats" giggling Celestia during rehearsal, neatly explaining Luna's absence. Episode ends with Celestia looking at sceen, and whispering: "What? I was bored!" followed by wink.
3x06 - Celestia is sick, yet sun keeps moving. Puzzled, Twilight researches matter finds old book about Luna and Celestia - book stating sisters were just unicorns. Shocked, Twilight confronts Celestia about it. Princess sighs, and points to her flank, where crown replaces the sun: "Sorry, Twilight, the only way to keep peace in pony lands and to keep them safe from neighbours is to pretend the ruler is more powerful than she is. I really tried to do otherwise, but constant bickering first led to Windigos, then to Discord. I had to stop being Princess Platinum, and act like regal creature of legends, aided visage created by my illusionist sister. It's not like I was first unicorn to claim someone moves sun. End justifies means, you know."
"Well, the Great and Powerful Trixie can't actually transport you to Equestria... But!
The Great and Powerful Trixie can beat you over the head until you think that's what happened!"
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It is an aura too, after all. (Weaker than contact, of course, but still non-trivial...)
I could whip up an aura of restoration...
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ou all probably wouldn't want me re-writing episodes either, for that matter...
For example, change Pinkie Keen ending to Twilight realises magic is not the only supernatural force, and Pinkie's just psionic. And the knowledge that just because you can't understand something or can't find an explanation now, doesn't mean that you will never be able to, but the realisation that to do so would require epic amounts of work, and thus that one pony doesn't have the time or effort to try to understand everything.
Also, change ending of Canterlot wedding at point when Celestia attacks Chrysalis, where, instead of getting beaten, she and Luna take turns in smacking the living crud out of her, while Shining, Cadance and the Mane cast (plus Crusaders, Spike and Derpy, with help from all the supporting cast), taking heart from their rulers epically kicking flank DBZ style, re-enact the fight scene and smacking the living crud out of the Changeling swarm (including the Swarm's higher-level boss characters), and it ends up with the Changelings being soundly routed, and their queen reflecting that maybe attacking a country ruled by two goddesses whom you've just royally (ahaha) fracked off was something of a stupid idea...
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So, make the story into cheap fanfic contradicting whole canon? Where would be any tension in that?
I suddenly have much more respect for Strife's stance on rewriting now.
Did say you wouldn't want me re-writing things...!
This, incidently, would apply to anything, not just pony, because if I was put a position to re-write current media, I would do so according to what I wanted to see/read/experience and damn the torpedoes. And, as we have previously determined, what I like and what a large proportion of the population like are very different; plus I'm plenty petty enough to get my own back on the current people writing stuff generally (e.g. Bioware/Marvel/DC/Hollywodd in general) to make them suffer my crap for a bit...
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Also! How to make 3 episodes 200% cooler. Maybe even 2000% cooler
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1x06: Goes as written, except small scene in the end: Celestia reads letter from Twilight, smiles and says: "You passed the test nicely, Twilight. Even anxiety and fear of peer pressure didn't stopped you from beating Ursa!" Camera moves backward, showing her sister, then focuses on her flank, where wand trail cutie mark slowly bends into familiar moon. Celestia winks
2x26 - This scene is inserted into the middle. We also see a flashback to sighing Luna, magically operating Chrysalis' puppet, which "defeats" giggling Celestia during rehearsal, neatly explaining Luna's absence. Episode ends with Celestia looking at sceen, and whispering: "What? I was bored!" followed by wink.
3x06 - Celestia is sick, yet sun keeps moving. Puzzled, Twilight researches matter finds old book about Luna and Celestia - book stating sisters were just unicorns. Shocked, Twilight confronts Celestia about it. Princess sighs, and points to her flank, where crown replaces the sun: "Sorry, Twilight, the only way to keep peace in pony lands and to keep them safe from neighbours is to pretend the ruler is more powerful than she is. I really tried to do otherwise, but constant bickering first led to Windigos, then to Discord. I had to stop being Princess Platinum, and act like regal creature of legends, aided visage created by my illusionist sister. It's not like I was first unicorn to claim someone moves sun. End justifies means, you know."
Also, with regard to your previous aspersions that my tastes being akin to cheap fanfic... Pot, meet kettle...
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It's not normal, of course, and what's actually happening in Comet Kicker's brain is that she's using regular murder as therapy for worse murder. There's a breakdown in the works and all it needs is one good, hard kick.
For example, change Pinkie Keen ending to Twilight realises magic is not the only supernatural force, and Pinkie's just psionic. And the knowledge that just because you can't understand something or can't find an explanation now, doesn't mean that you will never be able to, but the realisation that to do so would require epic amounts of work, and thus that one pony doesn't have the time or effort to try to understand everything.
Putting aside that the difference between magic and psionics is generally a completely arbitrary one.... that could be arguably already be just a more wordy/expanded version of what we have.
Um, I just had three problems with it - first, I don't see Twilight letting Princess get so colloquial/rude letter (one fan even wrote comic about it, and it was hilarious).
Well, AJ is the most (second-most?) informal of the Mane 6 and often doesn't even think about it unless others point it out (i.e. walking inside with muddy hooves). I can only think that Twilight doesn't proofread her friends' letters and that is why AJ's letter came through as it did.
Personally, I think Princess Celestia wouldn't be too bothered by such an informal letter.
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Second, this part - If you take your time to do things the right way, your work will speak for itself - nope, brothers did legitimately better work (at least before being conned into accepting uneven terms), and AJ rushed her work exploiting unpaid help from her friends.
The brothers did walk into their own defeat though. Their hubris spoke for itself with the line "We don't care if the whole Kingdom of Canterlot helped out". So both sides failed there. AJ's team gets the "technical victory" on account that their cider was drinkable. The brother's cider was not.
As for exploiting her friends, it seemed to me more that AJ's friends willingly worked their rumps off to win the race. As established in Applebuck Season, AJ helps her friends a lot so I see this as the girls repaying the favor.
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Third - I knew that already (about her friends helping her no matter what) - would have been nice if someone called AJ about not leaving some cider for her friends (including RD for years) and about openly profiting from them (I wouldn't mind cost/labor, but making big profit off friends is just wrong).
No argument here. I can agree with "at cost" pricing for a good friend.
(Heck, she gave Rarity & Blueblood the two fritters for free at the Gala)
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Also, it lacked conclusion - if brothers show up with better machine, simply use already picked apples, or somepony not trying to play fair gets machine, AJ loses, hard, unless she will extort even more unpaid labor somehow. You can't win with mechanization in farming, that's why I preferred fair deal ending.
If this is the case, then I think what could help the story is to write the machine as being able to out-produce the Apple family in cider production, but that the cider quality is less than the Apples'. Given that the Apple's cider supply runs out constantly, desperate ponies would be willing to buy the second-rate stuff because it is always in stock.
Perhaps the Apples then win when the machine breaks down mid-race?
And I would love to see the Apples also learn that mechanization isn't all bad. For example, a motor could replace Big Mac's position if run at his speed, thus freeing him up to buck apples for the cider. In turn this means AJ can buck apples part-time and help Granny sort the apples the other part-time.
(And maybe pay RD in cider for a few hours help in production?)
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Truly, there is nothing more terrifying than a DM with a sense of humour.
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No pretty sure he thinks he's Digo Dragon.
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I can do a tumblr post regarding which weapon is the most powerful/largest. Just some input from ponythread?
Most powerful:
Lix Lorn
Bleakbane and AotRS
Grenukes (Come on, you can't expect me not to be in here.)
OFC array
Maxtronaut's fleet
Largest: Bleakbane and the AotRS
Maxtronaut's fleet
OFC array
My fleet
Honestly, I'd say discussion regarding who's arsenal is the most powerful would probably rapidly devolve into an argument between Dive Bomb and Boffinspark about whose weapons are superior.
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Well, AJ is the most (second-most?) informal of the Mane 6 and often doesn't even think about it unless others point it out (i.e. walking inside with muddy hooves). I can only think that Twilight doesn't proofread her friends' letters and that is why AJ's letter came through as it did.
Personally, I think Princess Celestia wouldn't be too bothered by such an informal letter.
And I would love to see the Apples also learn that mechanization isn't all bad. For example, a motor could replace Big Mac's position if run at his speed, thus freeing him up to buck apples for the cider. In turn this means AJ can buck apples part-time and help Granny sort the apples the other part-time.
(And maybe pay RD in cider for a few hours help in production?)
I agree. With both AJ having very informal letters and Celestia not minding at all.
However I don't think Applejack or any of the Apples have a problem with mechanization. Applebloom seemed pretty excited and Applejack more seemed concerned with how blatantly bad the Flim Flam Bros offered deal was.
As for Applejack not giving them a deal on the cider it looked pretty inexpensive and was very popular. She'd likely feel it was unfair to deny anypony their cider in order to play favorites to her friends, which would likely have to extend to the CMC as well as whatever close friends Granny and Big Mac has.
The real question is why didn't she ever limit Pinkie's intake?
Actually nevermind. It seems that Granny is still in control of whatever decisions go on at Sweet Apple Acres despite her age.
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Nah, I'm kidding It doesn't have zeppelins
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Ahh, a little crush from Rainbow there! I like that you're taking it slow with that. It definitely feels real.
But what's with Twilight? She was fine at breakfast!
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Now the villain should totally do that though...
Although Soras is probably right, an alternative is that it's just Luna and she's both awkward like that and the recipient of one of Celestia's 1,000 year long troll attempts. Heck, for all we know, Celestia's joke about adopting the Royal Canterlot Voice was the straw that broke the camel's back and pushed Luna into Nightmare Moon mode in the first place.
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I can do a tumblr post regarding which weapon is the most powerful/largest. Just some input from ponythread?
Most powerful:
Lix Lorn
Bleakbane and AotRS
Grenukes (Come on, you can't expect me not to be in here.)
OFC array
Maxtronaut's fleet
Largest: Bleakbane and the AotRS
Maxtronaut's fleet
OFC array
My fleet
Bleakbane Sector Fleet - Entire fleet full of powerful warships, crewed by high level undead wizards.
Yeah, uh, grenuke? ofc? Small potatoes.
Lix is powerful enough to worry Bleakbane but has too many non-interference rules to really be considered a weapon or threat. Worst case scenario you may find yourself involved in shenanigens as romantic hijinks ensue. Bleakbane is restrained only by lack of worthwhile military targets and a veneer of Affably Evil civility.
Runner up, Grennukes, because the official line is that the OFC is only harmful to meany pants/cosmically negatively aligned individuals and/or the Undead (and Maxtronaut's Airship Fleet has, if I recall, a non orbital FC as it's cheif armourment, though correct me if I'm wrong).
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