LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax

[Arachu]

Originally Posted by SiuiS

Well I think your rain is still forming, and remains rather plastic until you're about 25, but that means you can change, not you will. Also your teacher sounds dangerously like one of those people who assume brain size is an actual discrepancy between humans.

It is, but... Well, first off I'm not sure that most people nearly lack forebrains in their childhood. o.O

The rest of this post has been replaced by a mental image of a snake in a sleeping bag. Blame The Far Side.

Originally Posted by SiuiS

I don't remember the context for this, but that sounds fascinating.
Right, duck defilement. No, I meant... Why?! If it's not even a reproductive strategy why do ducks do that? Are ducks just evil bastards?

It probably is a reproductive strategy, actually - just one that's pretty much obsolete because of the females' counter-strategy. It might be a bit much to assume that all ducks do it in the first place, though.

My wallpaper is Scrioge McDuck and Rarity high-fiving. I'm not sure if I should remove it or keep it. Bad fan fiction keeps scrolling before my eyes ._.

*Hugs*

Pretty good. I've been second-guessing when writing my filly, phrasing things to remove pronouns, and I got the courage up to refer to mesel' as 'her' and she didn't bat an eye, so that's a plus.

Yay~ ^_^

Otherwise work, work, work, no pay, and not enough work either. >P

*More hugs!*

Originally Posted by Astrella

*hugs*
The main thing scaring me is; and I guess you don't know that cause you weren't around is that I already sorta came out in the past to them. Sorta, because I just mentioned having gender issues and not outright saying that I'm a girl.

And that sorta resulted in both of them believing the internet was brainwashing me (and mum using some hurtful slurs in arguments) and them locking me off from the internet during the holidays which was ,considering most of my friends and support are online and I was really depressive back then, really awful. :/

:< *Hugs!*

Originally Posted by SaintRidley

I guess my partner liked it enough to put a ring on it.

I type this from the strange state of being that is being married.

Congrats~! n.n

Originally Posted by supernerd

In news: I'm currently experiencing infatuation again. And because it's mutual and I'm using this stage to get to know him, it's a wonderful feeling to have again.

Awesome~ *Hugs*


~Bianca

[noparlpf]

Originally Posted by Arachu

It is, but... Well, first off I'm not sure that most people nearly lack forebrains in their childhood. o.O

~Bianca

The brain has "grown past the temples" by birth. However, that region of the brain does not complete its development until the early or mid-twenties. It's not that "there's nothing there". It's that the connections and whatnot aren't fully developed.

[Asta Kask]

Originally Posted by Arachu

It is, but... Well, first off I'm not sure that most people nearly lack forebrains in their childhood. o.O

~Bianca

It may be there "in the flesh" as it were, just not connected properly. And I should add that the brain remains plastic all life long, although there is properly some loss of plasticity as age rolls in.

Edit: Ninja'ed. However, if you damage the frontal lobes in a chimpanzee, they are unable to complete the following task: Take two cups. Place a piece of fruit in one of the cups. Remove the cups from sight for a minute or so. The chimpanzee must point to the proper cup to receive the fruit.

I predict that most teenages will be able to complete this task, so clearly some parts of their frontal lobes are functioning properly.

[noparlpf]

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

It may be there "in the flesh" as it were, just not connected properly. And I should add that the brain remains plastic all life long, although there is properly some loss of plasticity as age rolls in.

I'm taking an introductory neurobio class this semester. It's really neat stuff. I actually do outside readings for fun. (That might not sound like much, but for most classes I don't even do assigned readings.)

[Asta Kask]

Neuroscience comes with so many brainteasers that it's ridiculous.

Example: A person has a stroke to the right parietal lobe. If you hold e.g. a plastic fork on his right side, he sees a plastic fork to the right. If you hold a plastic fork on his left side, he sees a plastic fork to the left. If you hold up two plastic forks, one on his left side and one on his right, he sees - one fork, to the right. Somehow, the fork to the right extinguishes the one on the left. What the hell?

[Heliomance]

Originally Posted by Absol197

Oh! I was wondering how you could get a gender-neutral name without changing it away from the name your parents gave you...

The name I go by now is a derivation of my old name, but also it was chosen by my mum, so it doesn't feel like I'm rejecting them by rejecting the name they gave me.

[noparlpf]

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

Neuroscience comes with so many brainteasers that it's ridiculous.

Example: A person has a stroke to the right parietal lobe. If you hold e.g. a plastic fork on his right side, he sees a plastic fork to the right. If you hold a plastic fork on his left side, he sees a plastic fork to the left. If you hold up two plastic forks, one on his left side and one on his right, he sees - one fork, to the right. Somehow, the fork to the right extinguishes the one on the left. What the hell?

That's really neat.

[Asta Kask]

Originally Posted by noparlpf

I'm taking an introductory neurobio class this semester. It's really neat stuff. I actually do outside readings for fun. (That might not sound like much, but for most classes I don't even do assigned readings.)

The strange case of anosognosia.

[Arachu]

Originally Posted by noparlpf

The brain has "grown past the temples" by birth. However, that region of the brain does not complete its development until the early or mid-twenties. It's not that "there's nothing there". It's that the connections and whatnot aren't fully developed.

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

It may be there "in the flesh" as it were, just not connected properly. And I should add that the brain remains plastic all life long, although there is properly some loss of plasticity as age rolls in.

Edit: Ninja'ed. However, if you damage the frontal lobes in a chimpanzee, they are unable to complete the following task: Take two cups. Place a piece of fruit in one of the cups. Remove the cups from sight for a minute or so. The chimpanzee must point to the proper cup to receive the fruit.

I predict that most teenages will be able to complete this task, so clearly some parts of their frontal lobes are functioning properly.

Whether it's finished developing is irrelevant; it's definitely there, and working, the whole time. She claimed (or maybe just sounded like she claimed) that it wasn't. She often brought it up to disregard anyone that disagreed with her on anything.


~Bianca

[noparlpf]

Originally Posted by Arachu

Whether it's finished developing is irrelevant; it's definitely there, and working, the whole time. She claimed (or maybe just sounded like she claimed) that it wasn't. She often brought it up to disregard anyone that disagreed with her on anything.

~Bianca

Well. Sort of working. Depends on whether you consider a fan that turns at 80rpm to be working. Or if you would consider my bike's brakes to be working (they'll make it stop, eventually, but they make a lot of noise and aren't any good for stopping short anymore; I'll probably end up hurting myself fairly soon).

Edit:

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

The strange case of anosognosia.

I was going to say, doesn't that happen in aphasias sometimes? And Wikipedia says yes. Yeah, it's interesting how that happens.

[Asta Kask]

Remember that the frontal lobes are anatomically axuiliaries to the motor cortex - the function of the brain is to produce actions, after all. It is actions that are selected for or against. So we have our enormous frontal lobes to prepare far-ranging strategies for actions (and they are auxiliaries of the primary sensory cortices).

So a person with massive damage to the frontal lobes tend to do nothing. They may do simple imititative maneuevers. They may answer your questions, but only if you're talking to the person in the next bed. Or they may be in a state of akinetic mutism, where you maybe can get them to say their name if you exhort them for 20 minutes or so. (There's some evidence that patients do not suffer when under akinetic mutism - there's just not much going on internally).

[KenderWizard]

Originally Posted by Astrella

Oh, I also managed to fix some issues with my parents. I think I already mentioned that dad has suspicions about me seeing a therapist because of the one incident in August where he decided to follow me. So mum rummaged through my bank notes and found out I'd been taking trains somewhere so they decided to confront me with a lot of noise. :s

I told them I was seeing my psych (not therapist) for social anxiety /light agoraphobia which is something we talk about and which I've been diagnosed with (though it's mostly dysphoria fueled and some other stuff). And they were satisfied with that. I didn't really lie cause that is part of the truth and I'm able to use their insurance now for those sessions which is handy cause they're expensive. I feel like an Aes Sedai now. I feel sucky for being deceptive but I want to come out on my own terms and not have it forced on me; especially not by them disrespecting my privacy again. And I don't think I can deal with a (potentially) bad reaction now.

Well done for dealing with that. It's hard to walk the line between conflict and deceit, and I think you did really well!

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

I never liked Simon that much. What did Kaylee see in him? (Apart from the abs)?

Think about how devoted he is, to his sister and his vocation. That kind of devotion can be very sexy.

Originally Posted by SaintRidley

I guess my partner liked it enough to put a ring on it.

I type this from the strange state of being that is being married.

Congratulations!

[Kindablue]

Originally Posted by SiuiS

I've asked before, but what is your signature? I cannot interpret its meanings.

Snell's Law. It describes how light refracts when it moves from one medium to another. The θs are the angles of refraction on each side, the Vs are the speeds of light through each medium, and the sins are what make Jesus cry.

This is cute.

[golentan]

Originally Posted by Kindablue

Snell's Law. It describes how light refracts when it moves from one medium to another. The θs are the angles of refraction on each side, the Vs are the speeds of light through each medium, and the sins are what make Jesus cry.

This is cute.

That's adorable. Absolutely adorable.

[Asta Kask]

Originally Posted by Heliomance

How about Tam Lin?

Or Tam a Sutra?

[noparlpf]

Originally Posted by Kindablue

Snell's Law. It describes how light refracts when it moves from one medium to another. The θs are the angles of refraction on each side, the Vs are the speeds of light through each medium, and the sins are what make Jesus cry.

This is cute.

Oh yeah, that's what it is. It's been a couple of years since I took Physics, but I knew it looked familiar. That's cute.

That's also cute.

[Lilac_Shade]

On Friday I will teach a workshop in a grade 12 boys' gym class on gender and sexuality basics. I'm glad my organisation has gotten into gym classes, but this is really scary

[Coidzor]

Originally Posted by Lilac_Shade

On Friday I will teach a workshop in a grade 12 boys' gym class on gender and sexuality basics. I'm glad my organisation has gotten into gym classes, but this is really scary

Grade 12? Aren't those 17-18 year olds?

If so, I can understand a bit of trepidation, but unless the school is completely ineffective and laughably underfunded then they should be a lot better behaved than, say, a 10th grade boys' gym class.

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

Or Tam a Sutra?

Tama Sutra? The text of turtles?

I like turtles!

[Keveak]

Originally Posted by Lilac_Shade

On Friday I will teach a workshop in a grade 12 boys' gym class on gender and sexuality basics. I'm glad my organisation has gotten into gym classes, but this is really scary

Best wishes and good luck. It sounds very scary, but congratulations on reaching broad audiences. Education is always amazing.

Originally Posted by Coidzor

Tama Sutra? The text of turtles?

I like turtles!

That just made me imagine a children's picture book with Helio teaching about turtles. It is an adorable image. ^_^

[noparlpf]

Originally Posted by Lilac_Shade

On Friday I will teach a workshop in a grade 12 boys' gym class on gender and sexuality basics. I'm glad my organisation has gotten into gym classes, but this is really scary

Sounds like tons of fun. Good luck. Feel free to raise your voice and threaten them with blunt objects; that tends to work best on boys their age.

[Heliomance]

I'm getting seriously ticked off with the way "ally" seems to be becoming a slur. I wouldn't be coping with my gender weirdness nearly as well as I am without my friends, most of whom are straight and cis. But there seems to be an overriding ethos of "you must be this queer to have a valid opinion" out there, and I hate it. For example, I just went on lgbtlaughs - normally quite amusing - and found this gem.

this blog was not made for straight (cis) people, no matter how allied they are.

straight people, you are guests in this space.

if you can’t handle a member of an oppressed community being angry, snarky, teasing or mean about the oppressors (a group you are still part of even if you’re an “ally”), then leave.

*three paragraphs more of ranting*

tl;dr: straight people, you are guests here: i do not care about straight feelings

Seriously, what the hell?

[noparlpf]

Originally Posted by Heliomance

I'm getting seriously ticked off with the way "ally" seems to be becoming a slur. I wouldn't be coping with my gender weirdness nearly as well as I am without my friends, most of whom are straight and cis. But there seems to be an overriding ethos of "you must be this queer to have a valid opinion" out there, and I hate it. For example, I just went on lgbtlaughs - normally quite amusing - and found this gem.

Seriously, what the hell?

Members of oppressed groups being intolerant pisses me off even more than members of privileged groups being intolerant, because they of all people ought to know better. >:|

As long as we're being pissed off at people:
Trigger warnings: Rape culture.

Spoiler

I just saw an article on facebook about a flier at Miami U. "Top Ten Ways to Get Away With Rape".

[SiuiS]

Originally Posted by Absol197

I never really associated with "Absol." It was just the name of a character I wrote about for a while, and I started using it everywhere. You can call me whatever you want (well, within reason). I just felt like I should put up a show of resisting, just once .

Oooh, gotcha!

I never actually started doing the wallet list - I tried to start it, but I ended up needing a full page of notebook paper just to get down brief descriptions of each incident...

I'd suggest bullet points. You're intimately familiar with the stories already, and the hints would be... Short affirmations.

This sounds incredibly frightening...I both want to know the details, and yet dread them...

Pavlovian pain conditioning?

Originally Posted by noparlpf

Well. Sort of working. Depends on whether you consider a fan that turns at 80rpm to be working. Or if you would consider my bike's brakes to be working (they'll make it stop, eventually, but they make a lot of noise and aren't any good for stopping short anymore; I'll probably end up hurting myself fairly soon).

This goes back to that left handed thing. Yes, scientifically the brain is not at full development. It is however far above minimum capacity to be considered a working brain. There's no inherent judgement in the statement "the brain does not finish developing until around 25" but there is inherent judgement in its use. If she points out the teacher meant it literally, for the sole purpose of disparaging another and discounting their worth, and you agree with the statement which is being used to discount that person's worth, you are actively supporting discounting thy person in that instance.

Science is neutral, but that is a lie. Science isn't important. What and how science is used for is, and science's inherent nuetrality doesn't enter Ito the equation.

Originally Posted by Kindablue

Snell's Law. It describes how light refracts when it moves from one medium to another. The θs are the angles of refraction on each side, the Vs are the speeds of light through each medium, and the sins are what make Jesus cry.

This is cute.

That is wry cute~

So would I be correct in surmising it is a LGBTA+ joke?

Originally Posted by Coidzor

Grade 12? Aren't those 17-18 year olds?

If so, I can understand a bit of trepidation, but unless the school is completely ineffective and laughably underfunded then they should be a lot better behaved than, say, a 10th grade boys' gym class.

Hahahaha no.

High school seniors have reputations which are seemingly well-deserved. The only kids who didn't get their phys-Ed requirements out of the way by junior year are those who subscribe really hard to the cult of athleticism, and those who go to school because it's what is done, and they do the bare minimum along the way - including developing as a person.

This is an inherently judgmental statement without much support besides anecdotal evidence though, so feel free to discount it.


Tama Sutra? The text of turtles?

I like turtles![/quote]

[Kindablue]

Originally Posted by SiuiS

That is wry cute~

So would I be correct in surmising it is a LGBTA+ joke?

I think it's Demetri Martin who has the joke about gays being greedy with the team colors. I saw it in a magazine (Popular Mechanics, Nature—I can't remember) written like that and thought it was cool.

[Worira]

the oppressors (a group you are still part of even if you’re an “ally”)

Oh man, I'd never realized! I've been totally slacking on my gay-oppressing duties!

Like the scare quotes, too.

[Arachu]

Originally Posted by Lilac_Shade

On Friday I will teach a workshop in a grade 12 boys' gym class on gender and sexuality basics. I'm glad my organisation has gotten into gym classes, but this is really scary

*Hugs!*

Originally Posted by Heliomance

I'm getting seriously ticked off with the way "ally" seems to be becoming a slur. I wouldn't be coping with my gender weirdness nearly as well as I am without my friends, most of whom are straight and cis. But there seems to be an overriding ethos of "you must be this queer to have a valid opinion" out there, and I hate it. For example, I just went on lgbtlaughs - normally quite amusing - and found this gem.



Seriously, what the hell?

:s *Hugs*

Originally Posted by SiuiS

This goes back to that left handed thing. Yes, scientifically the brain is not at full development. It is however far above minimum capacity to be considered a working brain. There's no inherent judgement in the statement "the brain does not finish developing until around 25" but there is inherent judgement in its use. If she points out the teacher meant it literally, for the sole purpose of disparaging another and discounting their worth, and you agree with the statement which is being used to discount that person's worth, you are actively supporting discounting thy person in that instance.

*Nod* To reference Nope's analogy, even an imperfect brake is still a brake. That teacher seemed to imply that both they and the pedals were absent altogether. And that disagreeing somehow challenged that her own were attached.

Science is neutral, but that is a lie. Science isn't important. What and how science is used for is, and science's inherent nuetrality doesn't enter Ito the equation.

Science isn't so neutral as it is aligned towards scientists' biases (which usually conflict between any two cases).



~Bianca

[SaintRidley]

Originally Posted by supernerd

Best wishes to the both of you. I assume it can be a bit overwhelming.

Only a little bit so far. Very little is changing overall, just rings and legal stuff.

Originally Posted by Coidzor

Hopefully not an unpleasant state for all its strangeness.

Not to sound insincere in my happiness for you, but I would have sworn that you got married last month. Am I remembering correctly or have I managed to get you and someone else mixed up or was that entire discussion all in my imagination?

Got any decent honeymoon plans or just get back from it then?

Nope, didn't get married last month. Just this past Saturday. Not unpleasant, either. Just very aware of the existence of my left hand right now. Honeymoon is yet to be determined.

Originally Posted by Celtic_D&Der

Whoooooooooo!! Congrats!!!! That is awesome.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Keveak

Congratulations. May you have a wonderful time ahead. ^_^

Thanks!

Originally Posted by golentan

Is there more of a story here? I want story! Congrats.

Well, we've been together for four years. I'm not sure what kind of story you're looking for, but if you want story tell me what kind of story you want and I might be able to tell you.

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

Can we get a picture of that ring, btw?

I'll get one in the thread later tonight.

Originally Posted by Astrella

Congratulations!

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Lentrax

Congratulations!

SPOILER ALERT:

Exciting times ahead!

Thanks!

Originally Posted by noparlpf

Congratulations!

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

Congratulations! May you have many joyous days ahead!

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Kenderwizard

Congratulations!

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Arachu

Congratulations~! n.n

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Worira

Oh man, I'd never realized! I've been totally slacking on my gay-oppressing duties!

Like the scare quotes, too.

Hmm. How to oppress the gays today. How to do it. Wait. We had a lesbian in our wedding party in a state where gay marriage is illegal. I think that should count for a few days of oppression, at least.

Now to go back to my diabolical ally ways, sowing mischief and discord in gay safe spaces with my straightness. Bwahahahaha!

[golentan]

Originally Posted by Heliomance

I'm getting seriously ticked off with the way "ally" seems to be becoming a slur. I wouldn't be coping with my gender weirdness nearly as well as I am without my friends, most of whom are straight and cis. But there seems to be an overriding ethos of "you must be this queer to have a valid opinion" out there, and I hate it. For example, I just went on lgbtlaughs - normally quite amusing - and found this gem.



Seriously, what the hell?

Originally Posted by noparlpf

Members of oppressed groups being intolerant pisses me off even more than members of privileged groups being intolerant, because they of all people ought to know better. >:|

As long as we're being pissed off at people:
Trigger warnings: Rape culture.

Spoiler

I just saw an article on facebook about a flier at Miami U. "Top Ten Ways to Get Away With Rape".

Urge... to destroy... humanity... rising...

Seriously, telling people who are trying to be your friends that they count as enemies is a TERRIBLE WAY to triumph against your enemies. And that... flier... That is easily one of the most despicable things I've read. It's beyond sick, it's just...

[noparlpf]

Originally Posted by golentan

Urge... to destroy... humanity... rising...

Seriously, telling people who are trying to be your friends that they count as enemies is a TERRIBLE WAY to triumph against your enemies. And that... flier... That is easily one of the most despicable things I've read. It's beyond sick, it's just...

Depending on how strict you are with definitions, I may not count as human, so can I help you?

[PairO'Dice Lost]

Originally Posted by golentan

Urge... to destroy... humanity... rising...

Originally Posted by noparlpf

Depending on how strict you are with definitions, I may not count as human, so can I help you?

Whoa, guys, hold on, let's not be hasty. Some people out there have world dominations plans, you know, and I--er, I mean, they don't want to rule over a radioactive wasteland. Which is of course a topic I know nothing about; I'm just a pair of flaming d6s, how could I possibly take over anything?

(This forum really needs an innocent "Who, me? I don't know what you're talking about..." smiley for times like these.)

Now, giving certain select members of the population a stern talking-to with some sharp implements for some of the stuff they say and do? That I can get behind.