They aren't from before time. Ing'dras is technically the oldest of the gods (he formed at the first moment of time) and not-so-technically the second oldest (Gjol was there first, although first is questionable since the absense of a chronological sequence of events makes such claims a matter of perspective).
Gonna have Ing'dras clop his way into the Halcyon later today. He will probably dislike just how small it is compared to continents. So few places to go.
Which would have curbed... the current spaceships, lasers, rail-guns we have going on.
Not really.
Lasers and railguns are modern concepts as of today. The next generation of US Navy destroyers are going to be equipped with railguns, and we've had working prototypes of the weapons they're going to use for several years now. This has been openly stated. And they've been theorised for decades. We just didn't have materials strong enough and capacitors powerful enough.
As for lasers...we've had lasers for decades now. The concept is certainly nothing new. Hells, the theoretical basis for them was laid down in the time of Archimedes.
Halcyon is an artifact - likely soon to become infused with a demigod. Artifacts can basically be whatever the God wants them to be. The only concept I needed to make it work were the DERs - which I paid the Legendary cost for.
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And on the subject of doors and roads...well let's just say there's a reason I kept points back. Because what you're about to do is a direct violation of Xia's purpose. You're meddling, without asking permission at all.
So please don't get offended by what her response to that will be. Because she's going to smack you down, hard.
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Lasers and railguns are modern concepts as of today. The next generation of US Navy destroyers are going to be equipped with railguns, and we've had working prototypes of the weapons they're going to use for several years now. This has been openly stated. And they've been theorised for decades. We just didn't have materials strong enough and capacitors powerful enough.
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Modern technology was meant to be a magical action. You would have been down 2 AP (not much I know, but still). Again I didn't have a problem with space opera, but Xia's motivation are sincerely lacking. As I said she popped out of the void, preemptively decided that the other gods are doing bad things, she never even saw them do it, and then made the worlds largest super weapon. I'm under the suspicion that you came into this game just to kill another god. I mean please correct me if i'm wrong, it's just that the first actions you have done in this game and ALL your AP were used in trying to create something to kill gods with. No exploring, no interacting...
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Modern technology was meant to be a magical action. You would have been down 2 AP (not much I know, but still). Again I didn't have a problem with space opera, but Xia's motivation are sincerely lacking. As I said she popped out of the void, preemptively decided that the other gods are doing bad things, she never even saw them do it, and then made the worlds largest super weapon. I'm under the suspicion that you came into this game just to kill another god. I mean please correct me if i'm wrong, it's just that the first actions you have done in this game and ALL your AP were used in trying to create something to kill gods with. No exploring, no interacting...
Anyway don't worry too much I'm just one mod out of 4
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No, Xia burnt almost all her AP to create something that would give mortal kind the power to kill gods. There is a difference.
As I have stated before now, her purpose is to do things like this. Her entire existence revolves around giving mortal kind the right and ability to reject the divines that created them. This isn't her popping up and going "All gods are evil" at all. It's her going "Gods are, by nature, meddlesome. Mortals must have a way to combat that."
She is giving the ability to be free to reject - which is one of her domain/portfolio pairs - through artifice and progress - another of those domain/portfolio pairs.
And I never created any Advanced concepts. I created the one Legendary concept, half of a Legendary race, and an artifact home for them.
On the subject of interaction, you've all had the ability to interact with her and her sister. You still do. But interaction is a two way street. Xia is more focused on fulfilling the beginnings of her purpose than interacting. If you want to interact, go ahead. But that's isn't her focus right now.
And I'm not planning on initiating a Curse war. I'm thinking something more... permanent
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Right. Because creating a nuclear powered spaceship with railguns and lasers, when every mortal race in the universe has (at best) just about mastered smithing a decent axe isn't meddlesome at all.
Still, I think I'll have Arathor go explore a bit, maybe meet some of his divine peers. He's only met one of them so far, and he's curious.
(He is also going to eat this spaceship and all its people if it tries doing anything against him. Now or in the future. Fair warning.)
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The question becomes, regarding Xia's actions... What is she going to do when the mortals turn that cannon against her. Because Dr. Frankenstien will tell you, as will many other creators, the first thing your monster tries to kill... is you.
Right. Because creating a nuclear powered spaceship with railguns and lasers, when every mortal race in the universe has (at best) just about mastered smithing a decent axe isn't meddlesome at all.
Still, I think I'll have Arathor go explore a bit, maybe meet some of his divine peers. He's only met one of them so far, and he's curious.
(He is also going to eat this spaceship and all its people if it tries doing anything against him. Now or in the future. Fair warning.)
Point of order: The Halcyon is not nuclear powered. It's powered by divine energy, which is much cleaner
As for meddling, Xia knows that she's meddling with the balance in the universe here. But the Steelthorns will not - by their nature - impose themselves upon others. They give the opportunity to choose, and they'll keep on giving that chance even if it comes to conflict.
If other mortals attack them, gods help them. But their purpose is to act as something akin to the inevitables - except in regards to the power balance between mortals and gods. In their eyes - and in Xia's - those should be equal.
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The question becomes, regarding Xia's actions... What is she going to do when the mortals turn that cannon against her. Because Dr. Frankenstien will tell you, as will many other creators, the first thing your monster tries to kill... is you.
Quite honestly? She'll let them. If she falls so far in their eyes to be seen as a threat, then she'll willingly sacrifice herself.
What a lot of you don't seem to be getting is this:
Making the power balance between Gods and Mortals equal is Xia's Purpose (yes, with a capital). Beyond that Purpose, there is very little except love for her sister and their creations.
But both those are subordinate to her Purpose.
She knows that she's meddling in the balance of power in doing what she's doing, but if mortal kind is to have any chance against the Gods if it comes to conflict between them this is what she HAS to do. There isn't any other option.
If her creations decide that she should die for the Purpose, than so be it. They have that right. Indeed, they have that duty. Theirs is a duty to all mortal kind, to protect them from the interference of Gods. They can't do that yet - the Halcyon isn't complete - but when it is they'll have a vessel capable of holding its own against deific malevolence.
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Point of order: The Halcyon is not nuclear powered. It's powered by divine energy, which is much cleaner
As for meddling, Xia knows that she's meddling with the balance in the universe here. But the Steelthorns will not - by their nature - impose themselves upon others. They give the opportunity to choose, and they'll keep on giving that chance even if it comes to conflict.
If other mortals attack them, gods help them. But their purpose is to act as something akin to the inevitables - except in regards to the power balance between mortals and gods. In their eyes - and in Xia's - those should be equal.
(He'll try to eat it )
At this point, if he ate it, it would work. The Halcyon itself wouldn't be able to do squat to him because its still just an Artifact and it has no Divine Rank to put up against a god. The Halcyon might not be destroyed by being eaten, but I think it would be safe to say the entire crew inside it would be.
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Quite honestly? She'll let them. If she falls so far in their eyes to be seen as a threat, then she'll willingly sacrifice herself.
What a lot of you don't seem to be getting is this:
Making the power balance between Gods and Mortals equal is Xia's Purpose (yes, with a capital). Beyond that Purpose, there is very little except love for her sister and their creations.
But both those are subordinate to her Purpose.
She knows that she's meddling in the balance of power in doing what she's doing, but if mortal kind is to have any chance against the Gods if it comes to conflict between them this is what she HAS to do. There isn't any other option.
If her creations decide that she should die for the Purpose, than so be it. They have that right. Indeed, they have that duty. Theirs is a duty to all mortal kind, to protect them from the interference of Gods. They can't do that yet - the Halcyon isn't complete - but when it is they'll have a vessel capable of holding its own against deific malevolence.
I understand Xia's purpose. What I don't understand is why its her Purpose. Technically, she shouldn't even be aware of other gods' actions unless she sees them herself or burns the AP necessary to find out. The only god she's had interaction with is her sister at this point. And they both worked together to give the Steelthorns the ability to kill gods, which means that the Steelthorns (having encountered no other gods besides the sisters) only know that they need to kill gods, according to the only two gods they know for sure to exist.
I get that it's her purpose, but my question is why? Or to be more specific, why do it via giant space battleship?
You don't have Crystal Seer yet. You have no way of knowing how the other gods interact with mortals, or even how many other gods exist and what they look like. Hell, you don't even know anything about the mortal races which you are apparently championing. You want to level the power balance between gods and mortals (which is remarkably difficult, if not outright impossible)? Bloody well speak to some of them first.
A spaceship is not going to help here. At all. It cannot stop a God from annihilating or tormenting mortals if they chose to. All it's going to do is make enemies of every other god (waving a gun around will do that), even those who might otherwise be open to agreements with you.
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So the whole space-ship to help mortals combat the gods thing, I think it's actually I really cool idea. It puts a spin on the usual, "Gods are untouchable" thing, and I suppose I could see why Xia would make said ship.
However, I do not understand why Xia makes the ship at current, before she is even aware of the actions of the other gods. As it says on the first page,
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Also, only some "mortal bashing" has occurred so far, not a lot. So what Xia is doing seems slightly.. Preemptive.
..However I may be wrong completely, but I look extremely sexy in my wrongness.
Chris - Well, it's a bit iffy. If someone did something that affected the souls of the mortals, I'd say yeah, but not necessarily every mortal. Of course, I'm not even a mod, so my word means as much as I can convince people it does with fast talking.
Also, listen to Promise, my abandoned son-by-proxy.
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At this point, if he ate it, it would work. The Halcyon itself wouldn't be able to do squat to him because its still just an Artifact and it has no Divine Rank to put up against a god. The Halcyon might not be destroyed by being eaten, but I think it would be safe to say the entire crew inside it would be.
At this point, yes it would. However the Halcyon is not finished and will not be venturing out from the edge of the Void until it is.
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I understand Xia's purpose. What I don't understand is why its her Purpose. Technically, she shouldn't even be aware of other gods' actions unless she sees them herself or burns the AP necessary to find out. The only god she's had interaction with is her sister at this point. And they both worked together to give the Steelthorns the ability to kill gods, which means that the Steelthorns (having encountered no other gods besides the sisters) only know that they need to kill gods, according to the only two gods they know for sure to exist.
logic.
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I get that it's her purpose, but my question is why? Or to be more specific, why do it via giant space battleship?
You don't have Crystal Seer yet. You have no way of knowing how the other gods interact with mortals, or even how many other gods exist and what they look like. Hell, you don't even know anything about the mortal races which you are apparently championing. You want to level the power balance between gods and mortals (which is remarkably difficult, if not outright impossible)? Bloody well speak to some of them first.
A spaceship is not going to help here. At all. It cannot stop a God from annihilating or tormenting mortals if they chose to. All it's going to do is make enemies of every other god (waving a gun around will do that), even those who might otherwise be open to agreements with you.
The first fourteen are, as I see it, innately aware of the existence of others. And Xia can see from out where she is the creation going on. And why does any god need a reason for it's purpose? She is what she is because that's what she is. Yes, I know it's circular logic, but divine's are like that.
She knows that there are others out there - I don't need Crystal Seer for that (and if I did I would like to know how Arlom and Ing'dras always know about new lands and races being formed). Due to what she is, she is driven to balance their power against that of mortals.
And you still seem to be misinterpreting here. The Steelthorns are not made to destroy Gods. They are made to act as a shield and spear against any Gods who overstep themselves. That's. It. They don't want to be Godslayers. But they will be if they have to.
And please be aware that they are nowhere near their full potential. That comes later, after several weeks of work, and will not be the massive "Die at the hands of our space battleship" that you all seem to be thinking it will be.
They will simply go to each god, and talk to them.
I had left this vague specifically so that people could speculate, but this is just getting way out of proportion. So there you go. There's the mystery and a great deal of the fun gone.
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The first fourteen are, as I see it, innately aware of the existence of others. And Xia can see from out where she is the creation going on. And why does any god need a reason for it's purpose? She is what she is because that's what she is. Yes, I know it's circular logic, but divine's are like that.
Circular logic is the bread and butter of divinity, you're right about that. But there's a fair number of things that she flat out shouldn't be able to see even with super god senses.
For example, anything that happens in a God's sanctuary is, by definition, protected from the prying of other gods. They have to either roll RCR to get in, or get permission. Arlom is a Sanctuary, as is the Starseeker.
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She knows that there are others out there - I don't need Crystal Seer for that (and if I did I would like to know how Arlom and Ing'dras always know about new lands and races being formed). Due to what she is, she is driven to balance their power against that of mortals.
Fair point, no argument there.
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And you still seem to be misinterpreting here. The Steelthorns are not made to destroy Gods. They are made to act as a shield and spear against any Gods who overstep themselves. That's. It. They don't want to be Godslayers. But they will be if they have to.
And what exactly is the definition of a god that "oversteps themselves" We have a god of madness, that's his Purpose, if he causes mortals to go crazy is that overstepping himself? We have a god of death, and not the psychopomp variety, is he overstepping himself by killing? We have a god of invention and experimentation, if he invents a nanobot swarm that eats all matter in the Void and converts it into more nanobots, is that overstepping his bounds? Those are Purposes, just as Xia's is a Purpose.
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And please be aware that they are nowhere near their full potential. That comes later, after several weeks of work, and will not be the massive "Die at the hands of our space battleship" that you all seem to be thinking it will be.
They will simply go to each god, and talk to them.
So you're aware of us, but we're not aware of you.
And walking up to someone with a big gun saying "lets talk" is known as assault, and its a crime.
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I had left this vague specifically so that people could speculate, but this is just getting way out of proportion. So there you go. There's the mystery and a great deal of the fun gone.
Happy?
Little bit passive aggressive, eh?
Had you held of on the "create massive godkilling spaceship" thing until we'd gotten past page 3 or so, I might be less confused and upset by you building a massive godkilling spaceship. Just saying.
Not technically no. I don't think there's a full 'planet' yet either. It's asteroids of different kinds with landscape on top and sometimes caverns below.
Also in case anyone missed it Ensirex is calling the three Brothers who made the Suns.
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Circular logic is the bread and butter of divinity, you're right about that. But there's a fair number of things that she flat out shouldn't be able to see even with super god senses.
For example, anything that happens in a God's sanctuary is, by definition, protected from the prying of other gods. They have to either roll RCR to get in, or get permission. Arlom is a Sanctuary, as is the Starseeker.
Point. I will hold that back.
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And what exactly is the definition of a god that "oversteps themselves" We have a god of madness, that's his Purpose, if he causes mortals to go crazy is that overstepping himself? We have a god of death, and not the psychopomp variety, is he overstepping himself by killing? We have a god of invention and experimentation, if he invents a nanobot swarm that eats all matter in the Void and converts it into more nanobots, is that overstepping his bounds? Those are Purposes, just as Xia's is a Purpose.
That's..complex. And an issue that I will address in further detail later when I have a proper handle on putting it into words.
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So you're aware of us, but we're not aware of you.
And walking up to someone with a big gun saying "lets talk" is known as assault, and its a crime.
You're aware of Xia and her sister. The Halcyon, not yet unless you've come out to talk with us.
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Little bit passive aggressive, eh?
Had you held of on the "create massive godkilling spaceship" thing until we'd gotten past page 3 or so, I might be less confused and upset by you building a massive godkilling spaceship. Just saying.
Little bit. My apologies.
And in all honesty, this is just the shell and place for the Steelthorns to live. The "Massive godkilling spaceship" bit comes later, and after quite a bit of work.
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Speaking of being a psychopomp, I do plan on making an afterlife
or more specifically an "underlife"
He's basically going to make a plain that acts a lodestone to souls so he can gather them more easily for study and research, otherwise its going to be sort of like Hades in that its just some dank underground world where the souls of the dead do... whatever. I'm not going to cosmically decree that it be the only afterlife obviously. If I just make a plain can I say that souls go there or do I have to do a boon or something similar?
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Yes, I am fairly positive that the asteroid of the solar gods is moon-sized, and I am certain that the asteroid of the eldritch gods is roughtly moon-sized, because I made it.
Remembering: Moon-sized is an AP 3 action.
The reason there is no planet is pretty much because making a planet is an AP 5 action that gives a blank plane in the material to serve as a holding point for continental landmasses and nothing else.
Asteroids can have moons, however. They just have to be smaller than the asteroids themselves (There's an appropriate AP 2 action).
Speaking of being a psychopomp, I do plan on making an afterlife
I also want to make one, though it's more "specific".
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I'm not going to cosmically decree that it be the only afterlife
, but it does mean that your god loses access to most souls that have died violent deaths. So I just wanted to get the thumbs up?
As for the afterlife thing, I'm not sure what you'll have to do, but I'm planning on making a separate plane, and using a decree to send the specific souls there.
I also want to make one, though it's more "specific".
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I'm thinking of making a place for people who have died in battle to go, a "soverngardesque" place, if you will. However, I do not want to step on your toes. I know you said , but it does mean that your god loses access to most souls that have died violent deaths. So I just wanted to get the thumbs up?
As for the afterlife thing, I'm not sure what you'll have to do, but I'm planning on making a separate plane, and using a decree to send the specific souls there.
Well OOC sure that's fine
IC Ensirex might be kind of pissed.
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You can make a plane to hold a specific type of soul - but to make sure it goes there that's a cosmic decree - then other gods may pay 3AP to change where their followers go.
So Lodestone for all souls: Cosmic Decree
Place for warrior souls: 3AP edit of that Cosmic Decree
Makes sense?
@Snowfire: Iapoligize if it seemed like we were ganging up on you. Your god's actions just seemed: Preemptive at best. Anyway I trust you'll play her well, I look forward to her talk with the eldritch brothers....
While I appreciate both sides of the argument (much as I understand why Arlom is taking my beautiful Frost Giants and Dwarves ), I kindof like where it could go. I mean, at worst... it attacks a god, the god see that mortal race is trying to hurt us, we stomp it into goo. And for eons to come, the surviving races tell this story:
"In ancient times, when the world was new, when the Sun Gods sank the mystic city of Veta and the races were young...the Steelthorns came. Forged by the Lady of Pain and her Sister Xia, they came in a Godkilling castle from the sky. They said the gods had overstepped their bounds, had tormented and abused the mortals of the world.
And so the Gods had to die.
The Gods, some fearing for their grip on mortality, some fearing for their own safety, and some merely wishing to end a nuisance before it became a reckoning, ended the war before it began, scattering the pieces of the Halycon Fortress, and striking the Steelthorns low.
Some gods sued for mercy, placing the blame of the Sister Goddesses. Some called for the Sisters to be absolved, and the Steelthorns destroyed as an example.
Some called for trial, some for exile.
In the end, The Steelthorns were stricken from existance, and the Sisters pardoned.
But legends say, little one, that some Steelthorns were not present when the Gods punished them. Some say they were scattered with the pieces of the Halycon Fortress, and that they wait for the day when they can rise up, and End the Gods.
While I appreciate both sides of the argument (much as I understand why Arlom is taking my beautiful Frost Giants and Dwarves ), I kindof like where it could go. I mean, at worst... it attacks a god, the god see that mortal race is trying to hurt us, we stomp it into goo. And for eons to come, the surviving races tell this story:
"In ancient times, when the world was new, when the Sun Gods sank the mystic city of Veta and the races were young...the Steelthorns came. Forged by the Lady of Pain and her Sister Xia, they came in a Godkilling castle from the sky. They said the gods had overstepped their bounds, had tormented and abused the mortals of the world.
And so the Gods had to die.
The Gods, some fearing for their grip on mortality, some fearing for their own safety, and some merely wishing to end a nuisance before it became a reckoning, ended the war before it began, scattering the pieces of the Halycon Fortress, and striking the Steelthorns low.
Some gods sued for mercy, placing the blame of the Sister Goddesses. Some called for the Sisters to be absolved, and the Steelthorns destroyed as an example.
Some called for trial, some for exile.
In the end, The Steelthorns were stricken from existance, and the Sisters pardoned.
But legends say, little one, that some Steelthorns were not present when the Gods punished them. Some say they were scattered with the pieces of the Halycon Fortress, and that they wait for the day when they can rise up, and End the Gods.
Now go to bed, it's late."
I actually Love that so much... hmm... maybe the gods can build a prison in Arlom to entrap one of the sisters who would be decreed guilt in a trial.
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