Lords of Creation: Omnigenesis [OOC]

[THEChanger]

Originally Posted by Elricaltovilla

The Quartzians making a pact with Ordon might be an issue. Depends on what you mean by pact and how many Quartzians you think are going to be involved in this.

I was refering to the Cosmic Decree which Ordon made. Any Contract marked with his Seal, or Oath sworn by his name, is presided over by Ordon. Anyone who breaks such an agreement belongs to Ordon, and will be brought to Ordon's domain to recieve...punishment.

How much the Quartzians would use such an agreement would be up to you. However, I imagine that at least a few would.

Which is why the Chains of Ordon connect the Burning Pits to each of the major asteroid-contients. Otherwise, Ordon would not be able to enforce pacts made in his name.

I'm still figuring out how to deal with the Steelthorns, who live inside Halcyon. By rights, they still should be affected by Ordon's decree, but the unique circumstances of their living situation make it slightly inappropriate. That, and Ordon isn't aware of their existance, as they are behind the Hedge.

[Gotham]

THEChanger: How well known is the exact wording for sworn-on-Ordon pact? From a PC/mortal perspective, I'm seeing some ridiculously powerful cheese available, Since ANYONE can make a pact that has "ordon draws you into the bowels of hell" as the breach of contract penalty.

Is Ordon fallible in regards to this? Is he trickable? Could I coerce a man into saying the words when he doesn't know what he's agreeing to, or is being lied to, or something even less cool, and then when he breaks his promise to "never move from this spot" instead of what I tricked him into thinking was "watch my dog over the weekend", get him dragged to hell?

EDIT: As part of your oaths portfolio, if they were to make an oath of any sort, you'd probably at least get an inkling of them.

[Elricaltovilla]

Originally Posted by THEChanger

I was refering to the Cosmic Decree which Ordon made. Any Contract marked with his Seal, or Oath sworn by his name, is presided over by Ordon. Anyone who breaks such an agreement belongs to Ordon, and will be brought to Ordon's domain to recieve...punishment.

How much the Quartzians would use such an agreement would be up to you. However, I imagine that at least a few would.

Which is why the Chains of Ordon connect the Burning Pits to each of the major asteroid-contients. Otherwise, Ordon would not be able to enforce pacts made in his name.

I'm still figuring out how to deal with the Steelthorns, who live inside Halcyon. By rights, they still should be affected by Ordon's decree, but the unique circumstances of their living situation make it slightly inappropriate. That, and Ordon isn't aware of their existance, as they are behind the Hedge.

Ok thanks for clearing that up. I was a little concerned it was some kind of "racial pact" thing, which I would have strenuously objected to.

[THEChanger]

Originally Posted by Gotham

THEChanger: How well known is the exact wording for sworn-on-Ordon pact? From a PC/mortal perspective, I'm seeing some ridiculously powerful cheese available, Since ANYONE can make a pact that has "ordon draws you into the bowels of hell" as the breach of contract penalty.

Is Ordon fallible in regards to this? Is he trickable? Could I coerce a man into saying the words when he doesn't know what he's agreeing to, or is being lied to, or something even less cool, and then when he breaks his promise to "never move from this spot" instead of what I tricked him into thinking was "watch my dog over the weekend", get him dragged to hell?

EDIT: As part of your oaths portfolio, if they were to make an oath of any sort, you'd probably at least get an inkling of them.

The exact wording is not well known, at least not yet. Judges, lawmakers, and people of similar authority probably know of it, and as more and more people swear by it, the wording will spread.

In order for the spoken Oath to be enacted, both parties must speak the words, and both must be in full awareness of their meaning. Of course, if you speak the words, Ordon assumes you had full knowledge of what you were swearing. If a mortal doesn't pay attention to the promise they make, that is hardly Ordon's problem, and indeed, would probably earn his ire.

Should compulsion magic/psionics/technology be created, an Oath sworn or Contract signed while under their influence would be exempt, under the full awareness clause.

And while Ordon would be aware of an oath the Steelthorns swore, without a Chain connected to the Halcyon, Ordon would be unable to reach them.

[Gotham]

Yeah, but I don't think anyone (well, maybe C'nor and Snowfire) would object to Ordon being able to locate the Steelthorns if one of them makes an oath.

Hell, that's another cool story in the making. A Steelthorn (or anyone really) breaks an oath while off-world, then spends his existence avoiding stepping foot on anything connected to the Burning Pits. Needs to land on Sol Lumaria? Once his foot hits the ground, the burning chains of Ordon snare him.

[C'nor]

If one of them swears something on Ordon, I'm fine with him knowing about the existence of the species, and a general location at the time the oath was sworn (in other words, Ordon only has to spend half of however much AP he otherwise would to find the Halcyon if a Steelthorn swears an oath on his name while onboard or nearby, until it moves a reasonable distance).

Were he to talk to Alynaia, he could probably get her to open the Hedge to him for the time needed to remove the offender any time one of the Steelthorns breaks an oath on his name, since that falls under the heading of "You brought it on yourself, idiot. Not being our toys means you need to clean up your own damn messes.".

Or, at least, she would be willing to punish the offender herself. She's the embodiment of pain, whether physical, mental, or emotional, after all; she might see setting up, basically, Hell, as stepping on her toes, and, accept the necessity to punish them, but want to do so on her own. Depends on how Ordon approaches her.

I can guarantee that trying to punish the Steelthorns without talking to her first would cause issues, though.

Anyway, my computer is going to be restarting for updates soon (for some bloody reason, Windows won't let me tell it to simply not do that at all, rather than just postpone it, so I might as well get it over with while I remember), so I probably won't be back on again before the database backup is over, but I'll try to get a post up for Acantheis by tomorrow, at the latest, and answer anything that comes up here later tonight, assuming that the restart doesn't mess things up.

[Lord_Asmodeus]

Hmmm Dark I think I require 1 more response please, before Ensirex goes off looking for Vlycent and finds him in Arlom.

[Elemental]

@Snowfire: You do realise there aren't any stars apart from the Suns yet?
And furthermore, Acantheis merely said that the Steelthorn he was speaking to couldn't help him restore their shadows and he would need the aid of a true deity.
Equality has nothing to do with it.

[C'nor]

I think it was more the bit about "pretending to be deities", which has Alynaia a bit miffed as well. And it probably didn't help that he said he'd be studying the people on Starseeker rather than helping them if he had time...

[Elemental]

Well, he was a bit annoying when you put it that way.
Insulting? Not really...

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by Elemental

@Snowfire: You do realise there aren't any stars apart from the Suns yet?
And furthermore, Acantheis merely said that the Steelthorn he was speaking to couldn't help him restore their shadows and he would need the aid of a true deity.
Equality has nothing to do with it.

I do, I shall edit.

On the subject of equality. It isn't so much that as he was dismissive. And then passed right over its head to talk to Xia. She doesn't like that.

Originally Posted by C'nor

And it probably didn't help that he said he'd be studying the people on Starseeker rather than helping them if he had time...

Bolded for truth.

[Elemental]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

I do, I shall edit.

On the subject of equality. It isn't so much that as he was dismissive. And then passed right over its head to talk to Xia. She doesn't like that.

I can fully understand that. Acantheis should have explained the matter and booked an appointment. Only problem is, he hasn't exactly encountered many deities yet. And I don't think any of them have servants/official followers/chosen ones yet authorised to act in their stead.


I know Velharan certainly doesn't. He still gets annoyed when the Humans keep referring to him as "Our Lord Velharan" but they do it anyway to annoy him and because they don't believe they should be on a first name basis with a God.
But that's off topic.

[Draken]

There.

The (presumably) one way into Ordon's realm avaiable to mortals (besides becoming a prisoner) involves finding your way into the sewers of Arlom, finding your way through the sewers into the catacombos of Arlom, finding your way through the catacombs into noxious caverns in the underdark, and finally finding your way through these caverns into a chamber that is full of boiling poison. Then you can get into hell.

[ChrisClark13]

Morgause touched one of Vylcent's crystal's right? She'd be instantly transported wherever she sees as home then.

[C'nor]

Snowfire, what kind of timeframe are you thinking of making those artifacts in, anyway?

[Snowfire]

The Doorway would be good now. The Key can wait. If you've got ideas of your own though, fire away. Just remember to join the pantheon

[bryn0528]

Originally Posted by ChrisClark13

Morgause touched one of Vylcent's crystal's right? She'd be instantly transported wherever she sees as home then.

Didn't realise the crystals worked on anything other than the denizens.. however she doesn't have a home (none of the Skulls do, yet) so I'll just say she stays in the city.

[mystic1110]

Originally Posted by ChrisClark13

Morgause touched one of Vylcent's crystal's right? She'd be instantly transported wherever she sees as home then.

Yeah I was just about to post that... Chris the crystal trinkets stay in Arlom right?

Also .... Arlom is becoming really defined. Eventually I'll have to write a brochure

[ChrisClark13]

Originally Posted by bryn0528

Didn't realise the crystals worked on anything other than the denizens.. however she doesn't have a home (none of the Skulls do, yet) so I'll just say she stays in the city.

Okay. Vylcent's power is not exactly working very well right now anyways.... ooh. Wonder where that Denzien really ended up then.

Originally Posted by mystic1110

Yeah I was just about to post that... Chris the crystal trinkets stay in Arlom right?

Also .... Arlom is becoming really defined. Eventually I'll have to write a brochure

The crystal trinkets stay in Arlom. I'm thinking of having a foxkin wander in there sometime soonish. (waiting for crystal guys to finish trading before I get going with them)

[mystic1110]

Originally Posted by ChrisClark13

Okay. Vylcent's power is not exactly working very well right now anyways.... ooh. Wonder where that Denzien really ended up then.

I'll leave that up to you or bryn... a lone denizen, OCD and can grab shadows... can rearrange people they control. Pretty much an invincible monster outside Arlom...

Mini-adventure for you or bryn to try to get that shadow back into arlom or it's host (shadows hate their hosts). Good luck

[C'nor]

Originally Posted by Snowfire

The Doorway would be good now. The Key can wait. If you've got ideas of your own though, fire away. Just remember to join the pantheon

That's fine, I just needed to know if I should nab a domain or make the Doorway first.

[Hank McBadass]

Originally Posted by Draken

Hank, time always has a frame of reference, this frame of reference is Ing'dras, and the only place one could be to avoid the passage of time is standing before the gate, outside of the temporal flow. This is a place that does not exist yet, and can only be seen by those who are sleeping or who are not.

Time passed but Nous wasn't aware how much because he had not looked to an external reference. If someone else was around they would have been able to specify but his first acts were all internal and beyond anyone else's perception so any telling of the story has to be from his perception. Nous himself had not yet experienced external events so he couldn't be sure how much time had passed relative to those events. All he knows is the number of internal exchanges that occurred.

[Snowfire]

Originally Posted by C'nor

That's fine, I just needed to know if I should nab a domain or make the Doorway first.

Your choice. I can build the Doorway next turn though, so feel free to grab another domain. Xia probably would prefer the latter, so that our powers are balanced.

[ChrisClark13]

Originally Posted by mystic1110

I'll leave that up to you or bryn... a lone denizen, OCD and can grab shadows... can rearrange people they control. Pretty much an invincible monster outside Arlom...

Mini-adventure for you or bryn to try to get that shadow back into arlom or it's host (shadows hate their hosts). Good luck

Hmm.... I have an idea for this. Byrn, you got anything?

[bryn0528]

Originally Posted by ChrisClark13

Hmm.... I have an idea for this. Byrn, you got anything?

I was just going to have Morgause use the crystal thing as a weapon against any more denizens she comes across, rather than running all the time... so go right ahead.

[mystic1110]

Originally Posted by bryn0528

I was just going to have Morgause use the crystal thing as a weapon against any more denizens she comes across, rather than running all the time... so go right ahead.

You can narrate her own stories in the city, mostly it's writing on the wall, shadow plays, moving walls, the ing (controlled by Draken) - if you make it to the end of the week... she'll be the first to meet an actual Fear - maybe one of the "known" ones - or the hinted ones - or a new one. Either way the city is dangerous, so I don't actually expect her to make it to saturday. Even using the trinket as a weapon, she only has defenses against the Denizens - the Ing are still out there and the walls of the city prevent her from advancing. I expect her to make it to the gate, to hell through the sewers or most likely become a Ing's slave/plaything/servant. At best she'll meet a cryptourbanologist and become one as well.

cryptourbanologist: People who have somehow left the city and found there way back. Always shadowless they are inflicted with the "arlom-madness." they consider the city their home and they seek to unveal its secrets. Most of the time they have journals which they keep or the city lore they found in them. WHen they die, the city actually makes it so a fellow cryptourbanologist finds the journal leading to accumlations of these journals. The journals contain info about known fears - meanings behind common grafitt, ing, and other secrets. Most of the time though they are nonsense because cryptourbanologists are insane. Some cryptourbanologist though "work" for the fears - which dominate them, so beware.

[bryn0528]

Originally Posted by mystic1110

You can narrate her own stories in the city, mostly it's writing on the wall, shadow plays, moving walls, the ing (controlled by Draken) - if you make it to the end of the week... she'll be the first to meet an actual Fear - maybe one of the "known" ones - or the hinted ones - or a new one. Either way the city is dangerous, so I don't actually expect her to make it to saturday. Even using the trinket as a weapon, she only has defenses against the Denizens - the Ing are still out there and the walls of the city prevent her from advancing. I expect her to make it to the gate, to hell through the sewers or most likely become a Ing's slave/plaything/servant. At best she'll meet a cryptourbanologist and become one as well.

cryptourbanologist: People who have somehow left the city and found there way back. Always shadowless they are inflicted with the "arlom-madness." they consider the city their home and they seek to unveal its secrets. Most of the time they have journals which they keep or the city lore they found in them. WHen they die, the city actually makes it so a fellow cryptourbanologist finds the journal leading to accumlations of these journals. The journals contain info about known fears - meanings behind common grafitt, ing, and other secrets. Most of the time though they are nonsense because cryptourbanologists are insane. Some cryptourbanologist though "work" for the fears - which dominate them, so beware.

Yes, I knew of these things. Have hinted at the fact that the city rearranges itself so that she can never find her way back to where she was once before... but the Ing seem nice enough (maybe I just can't read very well). Oh well, what's a young pregnant woman to do? Oh, that's right, be a badass.

[mystic1110]

Originally Posted by bryn0528

Yes, I knew of these things. Have hinted at the fact that the city rearranges itself so that she can never find her way back to where she was once before... but the Ing seem nice enough (maybe I just can't read very well). Oh well, what's a young pregnant woman to do? Oh, that's right, be a badass.

Oh, i know you know these things- just making it clear for everyone. And yes your girl is awesome. I can see her getting involved with the Ing and the crazies and making her name in the city. Isn't that every girls dream? Make it big under the bright lights

[Darklady2831]

@ Draken and Mystic
Would either of you have a problem with Arlom's sewers connecting to the underdark? Perhaps even the Pillar of Nightmares?

[ChrisClark13]

*waits for nightmare scene to continue, and yes I am being impatient and I should stop doing that*