That is gonna backfire so hard that the Ing will hit Valharan in the face with his own attack dice of attack.
*Velharan
They can ignore him if they want. But if they enter Sol Lumaria with the intention of taking people, he will destroy them.
He can't do anything about their activities in Arlom, that's not his place to rule.
Edit: *adds Inevitables to the hunting list*
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Interesting to see what will happen when the inevetible leaves arlom and gets its shadow ripped off. A robotic hunter that is suffering from paranoia, self-mutilation and a multitude of other psychosis - and how the shadow would react to a being who by definition is neutral with no darkness in their soul because.... it's a robot. Please remember even though they were people, they are robots now right? So no good or evil, no chaos or law, no emotions - just whatever ordon tells them to do.
They can ignore him if they want. But if they enter Sol Lumaria with the intention of taking people, he will destroy them.
He can't do anything about their activities in Arlom, that's not his place to rule.
The Ing aren't insane, they won't go against a god's edicts in his own home ground.
But they are smart, and the gods have given them plenty of tools to get things done. Some of these gods aren't even theirs.
The Ing aren't insane, they won't go against a god's edicts in his own home ground.
But they are smart, and the gods have given them plenty of tools to get things done. Some of these gods aren't even theirs.
Good. I shall inform them that if they desire their escaped serfs back, they'll have to petition Velharan. These things will likely be judged on a case by case basis. And if they ignore proper channels, then they're in trouble.
I need some kind of monitoring system so I know when people enter and leave Sol Lumaria...
Hmm... I should take "Cloaked in Wanderlust"...
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Interesting to see what will happen when the inevetible leaves arlom and gets its shadow ripped off. A robotic hunter that is suffering from paranoia, self-mutilation and a multitude of other psychosis - and how the shadow would react to a being who by definition is neutral with no darkness in their soul because.... it's a robot. Please remember even though they were people, they are robots now right? So no good or evil, no chaos or law, no emotions - just whatever ordon tells them to do.
Essentially.
Very advanced, magical robots.
Advanced to the point they can fake emotion...fake a personality...fake as long as necessary to pursue their mission.
It isn't perfect, as they've lost something rather essential to truly being a person. Ordon took their capacity for madness, for irrationality from them, which is a very large part of being a mortal, in my personal opinion.
I don't even know if the light of the three Suns, and the darkness of Gjol Maduur, is inside them anymore...Perhaps before Ordon removed the curse of madness. Now? It's difficult to say. Certainly it isn't present in any form a mortal would recognize, should they be aware of such things. The mind of an Inevitable is so warped, so twisted by their purpose. No. The mind of the Inevitable is their purpose. They don't really have any conception of anything else. Vestiges of the old mortal might be present in their programing, however. An Inevitable who was reforged from a warrior might be more inclined to pursue their mission with brute force, whereas a diplomat might be more crafty, more subtle. Each Inevitable is crafted individually, with a certain amount of care and love, insofar as Ordon is still capable of those emotions.
In a way, Ordon is the first Inevitable-Unit 000, if you will. Much of what happens to them affects him as well-his wrathful display was born of the twisting of the Inevitable's mind, and as he makes them more machine, he also becomes more machine.
But there is law. Each Inevitable is sufused with Law. The upholding of the contract, the sanctity of Law, these are things which are present in every Inevitable's programming. For instance, from byrn's description, it doesn't sound like Unit 001 will ever be able to find Clint-and certainly won't be able to bring him back alive. If it ever comes to that realization...I dunno. We'll see what happens.
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They are much more likely to nip the rose at the bud and make human serfs swear an Oath in Ordon's name, actually. Reducing the number of escapees to Sol Lumaria to a flat zero.
Then they might petition to Ordon to see if he would allow them to retrive the wayward souls and... Dunno, maybe shove them into construct bodies of their own devising (warforged, go!).
They are much more likely to nip the rose at the bud and make human serfs swear an Oath in Ordon's name, actually. Reducing the number of escapees to Sol Lumaria to a flat zero.
Then they might petition to Ordon to see if he would allow them to retrive the wayward souls and... Dunno, maybe shove them into construct bodies of their own devising (warforged, go!).
It's a simple matter that such an oath is likely to count as coerced due to the nature of Arlom.
And I would argue that coercing someone into making such an oath renders it null.
But of course, it's not up for me to decide these things.
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After all, it's basically this:
"Become what amounts to our slave, or we'll leave you alone with no food or shelter so you can be tortured and tormented until you hopefully die."
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After all, it's basically this:
"Become what amounts to our slave, or we'll leave you alone with no food or shelter so you can be tortured and tormented until you hopefully die."
Considering Ordon's stance so far (even oaths sworn in haste without any care for what they mean, being punishable by inevitable), I think that Coercion wouldn't really matter. I mean, magical compulsion, mind control, that's a different story, but mundane methods, heh, fair game man.
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Considering Ordon's stance so far (even oaths sworn in haste without any care for what they mean, being punishable by inevitable), I think that Coercion wouldn't really matter. I mean, magical compulsion, mind control, that's a different story, but mundane methods, heh, fair game man.
Compulsion does not require magic or mind control as mundane methods can be just as... What's the word I'm looking for? Devious? Dishonourable? Deceitful?
I mean... Torture is a mundane method.
But we should wait for THEChanger to clarify what conditions make an Oath void.
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Well, that was a busy week. Sorry for disappearing on you all - I've caught up with the IC, and will be posting tomorrow. However, before I do I have a question to present to my fellow mods - should the Formidable Artisan discount apply to reforging extant artifacts and relics as well as forging new ones?
*edit*
Also, unless I'm very much mistaken, people are throwing around terms for mortals which don't exist. For example, I don't believe anyone has invented agriculture, so no farms. I'd also like to point out that, aside from humanity, every other race is devoid of: art, music, literacy, and most don't even have basic crafting skills.
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And my list for mystic -
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5 AP = Weave Plane, The Red Sun
5 AP = Gain Ability, Formidable Artisan
3 AP = Forge Land, Sol Lumaria
2 AP = Gather Pantheon, The Lords of Light
2 AP = Create Sentient Life, Humanity
1 AP = Create Mundane Concept, Mining
1 AP = Create Mundane Concept, Blacksmithing
1 AP = Form Society, The Tol-Valmyr
3 AP = Forge the first sword, Dawnbringer
1 AP = Crate Basic Concept, Lumarian
The human language, first taught through the appearance of the Canticle of Light within every city of the Tol-Valmyr and Tel-Velharan. Utilizing a beautiful runic alphabet reminiscent of flame, written Lumarian is adapted equally well to pen or chisel. Spoken, it is a flowing, rhythmic language, changes in tempo used to accentuate certain emotions.
3 AP = Create Relic, The Horns of the Black Prince
3 AP = Gain Domain, Craft (Metalworking)
[5 AP: Gain Ability, Formidable Artisan; 1 AP: Create Mundane Concept, Mining; 1 AP: Create Mundane Concept, Blacksmithing]
3 AP = Gain Domain, Light (Ambition)
[5 AP: Weave Plane, The Red Sun; 2 AP: Create Sentient Life, Humanity]
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...one could possibly refer to you guys' elaborate dance of allies-to-enemies-to-suicide-of-the-universe as some sort of weird art form.
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Also, unless I'm very much mistaken, people are throwing around terms for mortals which don't exist. For example, I don't believe anyone has invented agriculture, so no farms. I'd also like to point out that, aside from humanity, every other race is devoid of: art, music, literacy, and most don't even have basic crafting skills.
A god doesn't have to explicitly create every single aspect of a culture (it would be insensible, seeing as how there are practically infinite amounts of ideas even in the most basic of worlds). What it means to create a mundane concept (or really any concept) is to say that this culture is known for whatever skill the god has deigned. Dwarves can dye clothes, but humans are better at it. Foxkin can sing, but all the best songs are human. Humans can make buildings out of more than marble and glass, but giants are best at fundamental architecture.
I assumed that agriculture exists because of civilisation...
As do most basic crafts like woodworking...
Just that, like Bryn, nothing fancy can be done with them yet. (It also enhances Velharan's reputation as a teacher to view it that way because he's taught the most.)
Edit: And I'm going to be gifting the Humans with numerous sciences and engineering principles soon. As well as a whole bunch of other crafts and things.
Does anyone object?
Also, have the stars been made yet?
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A god doesn't have to explicitly create every single aspect of a culture (it would be insensible, seeing as how there are practically infinite amounts of ideas even in the most basic of worlds). What it means to create a mundane concept (or really any concept) is to say that this culture is known for whatever skill the god has deigned. Dwarves can dye clothes, but humans are better at it. Foxkin can sing, but all the best songs are human. Humans can make buildings out of more than marble and glass, but giants are best at fundamental architecture.
I respectfully submit that Foxkin are the best singers. You see, every concept that is shared between the two main human societies is also shared with the Foxkin. (I assume it's perfectly fine with Elemental and TheDarkDM if I do this since they were already these concepts in between themselves. Oh yeah. I should go ahead and make Trading)
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I respectfully submit that Foxkin are the best singers. You see, every concept that is shared between the two main human societies is also shared with the Foxkin. (I assume it's perfectly fine with Elemental and TheDarkDM if I do this since they were already these concepts in between themselves. Oh yeah. I should go ahead and make Trading)
And I forgot that.
Yes. I did specifically state that all concepts created by Velharan are shared with his brothers.
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That... seems a stretch. Vyclent may know of the Marquis, even though they never met, but would he really know anything about his worshipers? I mean, it's certainly plausible. Valentina is talking about worshiping a god that the Marquis never met, nor really had any kind of workable mortal worship going on.
Also, if he does, it would be called a bad idea. Valentina belongs to an Order ruled by Divine Mandate, and may or may not have powers he have yet to see.
That... seems a stretch. Vyclent may know of the Marquis, even though they never met, but would he really know anything about his worshipers? I mean, it's certainly plausible. Valentina is talking about worshiping a god that the Marquis never met, nor really had any kind of workable mortal worship going on.
Also, if he does, it would be called a bad idea. Valentina belongs to an Order ruled by Divine Mandate, and may or may not have powers he have yet to see.
Still... Velharan has met Arathor and has been aware of the Marquis's alterations to the land for some time without knowing the culprit.
Put two and two together, read a mind and the truth spills into the open like a broken dam.
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Explanation of Velharan's motivations for calling this summit:
He wants to avoid needless witch trials, bookburnings and other violent activities.
Will he take steps? Maybe.
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Okay... So they aren't going to share their healing with everyone and become a subversive group of anarchists?
Fortunately Velharan's handling this and not Valmyr.
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Ing'dras gave literacy to all races way back. It is why I am silently miffed whenever people talk of lack of understanding. Common should be an universal tongue!
Okay... So they aren't going to share their healing with everyone and become a subversive group of anarchists?
Fortunately Velharan's handling this and not Valmyr.
Become? I think you've missed the point of the Skulls.
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Nobody is illiterate. NOBODY.
Ing'dras gave literacy to all races way back. It is why I am silently miffed whenever people talk of lack of understanding. Common should be an universal tongue!
Just because one person is literate in English and another is literate in Urdu doesn't mean they can understand each other. It was... unclear as to whether or not you established a common language or just made all languages in general.
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The appropriate article for universal is 'a' not 'an', because the word is pronounced with a hard y and not a soft u. But I don't think English is your first language?
Although, on second thought it might actually be technically correct. It just looks and sounds awkward to me.
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