Soragakure OOC III - Why Do We Have 3 Of These? - Page 10

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 08:55 AM

*peers out from between fingers* So what's the damage here? Genjutsu have a way of ****ing you up, ya know? Amon only trusted these guys because Yousuke did. She might be the best match to fight a genjutsu user though - her puppet won't be falling for such trickery, if nothing else, and it is holding all of the team's remaining sharp things.

If it's just a technique to make her shut up, the NPCs in this universe have cruel senses of humour and really shouldn't be trying to drag Amon down to her level - her mind transfer would be quite dangerous if she was feeling bored and challenged.

ZeroNumerous · 10-08-2012, 08:56 AM

Yyou fail on the Will Save(DC 23). The dispel check DC is 25(save DC +2), so Amon also fails that. And while Amon did specify she was averting her gaze, she also specified in her latest post that she looked straight at him.

Amon identifies the technique as Sharingan Technique: Mind Snare, but forgets that she identified it as part of the result of the technique. Amon falls asleep for (1d6+1)[4] rounds, and forgets everything that happened 1 round prior to falling asleep.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 09:01 AM

Good, he used more chakra than me. let's see if I can wear him down... is it worth it to use that method? He probably isn't THAT dumb, after all.

When i wake up, is anything different? is Amon on the ground and thus able to figure out what happened? I'll assume his sharingan isn't up at least. I'm beating the **** out of this guy, I don't even care - he basiclcally just gave me permission. And it's not like going to get help will do me any good - Houshi and Yousuke have worse saves than me I think and his team mates would just assume I did something to earn it.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 09:03 AM

I just realised he's, like, level 10. God dammit, that's so unfair

Cespenar · 10-08-2012, 09:05 AM

Sheesh. It's, like, everyone is a Sharingan user nowadays.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 09:08 AM

I know, right? There's like 3 chuunin-level or greater sharingan users within an hour's walk of here, apparently, it's weird

ZeroNumerous · 10-08-2012, 09:08 AM

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Sheesh. It's, like, everyone is a Sharingan user nowadays.

Koji had a specific purpose behind being a Sharingan user, but that purpose was lost when Team Cybele screwed themselves over. So now he's just a random **** rather than an aesop about the abuse of power.

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I'm beating the **** out of this guy, I don't even care - he basiclcally just gave me permission. And it's not like going to get help will do me any good - Houshi and Yousuke have worse saves than me I think and his team mates would just assume I did something to earn it.

Well, Amon doesn't remember what happened. So she's attacking him completely randomly. So yes, his teammates would assume Amon's just being needlessly aggressive.

Cespenar · 10-08-2012, 09:14 AM

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Koji had a specific purpose behind being a Sharingan user, but that purpose was lost when Team Cybele screwed themselves over. So now he's just a random **** rather than an aesop about the abuse of power.

Ah, Sharingan. It's so useful that it can even be an aesop.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 09:16 AM

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Koji had a specific purpose behind being a Sharingan user, but that purpose was lost when Team Cybele screwed themselves over. So now he's just a random **** rather than an aesop about the abuse of power.

Wait, so we've invalidated his character beyond even being reused? Sweet, that's all the more reason to kill him - it'll spare you the embarrassment we've caused you. In my defence though, the last two missions have basically broken a small part of Amon's soul - the part of her that assumes the kindness of people. Every person she looks up to has advised her implicitly or explicitly (often by example) to not trust anyone and all the villains so far have been turncoats.

And of couse I'm joking about killing him. He's a higher level than Suzunabu, I might actually die. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have Glare and thus be able to use the Sharingan Mirage component of Mind Snare. A level 10+ genjutsu master is not a favourable fight for Cybele, never mind me.

What condition is Amon in when she awakens by the way? Seriously, I want to know if I'm on the ground and otherwise have enough knowhow to figure out how I got down there.

According to the technique it can't make me forget 'important' things so I'll assume it was something else that Kaede used.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 09:20 AM

Actually never mind - Amon has a well established phobia of genjutsu so intense she spent half of her first downtime thinking she was in the matrix or some crap when really she was absolutely fine. Her paranoia is enough for her to just assume he used a genjutsu on her if something is out of the ordinary - she doens't need the excuse of a logical basis.

God those other 3 are probably high level too... This mission is so far off the rails now, isn't it?

ZeroNumerous · 10-08-2012, 09:29 AM

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Wait, so we've invalidated his character beyond even being reused? Sweet, that's all the more reason to kill him - it'll spare you the embarrassment we've caused you.

Nah, anyone can be reused, but now he just doesn't have a useful aesop.

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In my defence though, the last two missions have basically broken a small part of Amon's soul - the part of her that assumes the kindness of people. Every person she looks up to has advised her implicitly or explicitly (often by example) to not trust anyone and all the villains so far have been turncoats.

And thus you stumble upon the other aesop behind this mission.

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What condition is Amon in when she awakens by the way? Seriously, I want to know if I'm on the ground and otherwise have enough knowhow to figure out how I got down there.

According to the technique it can't make me forget 'important' things so I'll assume it was something else that Kaede used.

Perfectly fine, albeit a little dusty.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 09:41 AM

Define 'aesop' if you please. All I got when I googled was the guy who wrote the fables. I'll assume some sort of literary term concerning theme and the conveyance thereof? I feel kind of left out of the conversation with my poor understanding otherwise.

Let's see what this guy's explanation for Amon apparently passing out is. 'You just spontaneously fell over' seems a little to straightforward for a genjutsu master when dealing with someone at least insightful/paranoid enough to keep her eyes shut.

ZeroNumerous · 10-08-2012, 09:55 AM

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Define 'aesop' if you please. All I got when I googled was the guy who wrote the fables. I'll assume some sort of literary term concerning theme and the conveyance thereof? I feel kind of left out of the conversation with my poor understanding otherwise.

When the boy cried wolf for the last time, and no one came to help him: That's an aesop. Don't tell lies about needing help, or people won't believe you when you really need help.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 10:09 AM

But Amon only started telling lies this mission - that's not really an arc. Well, I guess she's lied her whole life in her own way, but that's more an overarching philosophical thing. The universe seems to be giving Amon mixed signals - like she's supposed to trust and be honest with people who won't afford her the same courtesy. She already believed that BEFORE the last two missions, ironically enough - maybe her journey will bring her to a new level of understanding of such things...? That or she'll go crazy and slip into Alice-style paranoia

My sense motive modifier is -1, I think. Amon will assume he's lying anyway even without the check - whatever overarching philosophical thing is going on with regards to her trust in other people, she will never be comfortable with genjutsu

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 10:46 AM

How tall is the wall Amon is propped up against?

Did Amon invent the Mind Transfer or did a third party (Alice) teach her? If there were no Yamanaka in this setting I was going to say she invented the technique - or even developped an identical technique by sheer coincidence. Or perhaps the knowledge of the technique was in her the whole time *twinkly eyes of story arc moral*

If a technique has only been used once on an undocumented case, is it still possible to identify its exact effects before it is complete without teh aid of See Chakra or something?

ZeroNumerous · 10-08-2012, 11:04 AM

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How tall is the wall Amon is propped up against?

It's a two story house.

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Did Amon invent the Mind Transfer or did a third party (Alice) teach her? If there were no Yamanaka in this setting I was going to say she invented the technique - or even developped an identical technique by sheer coincidence. Or perhaps the knowledge of the technique was in her the whole time *twinkly eyes of story arc moral*

Up to you, but there are Yamanaka in this setting.

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If a technique has only been used once on an undocumented case, is it still possible to identify its exact effects before it is complete without teh aid of See Chakra or something?

By RAW, yes. But no, I wouldn't let someone identify a technique that's unique to an individual.

ZeroNumerous · 10-08-2012, 11:11 AM

Also, I just noticed Cespenar's question: It's 5 in the evening.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 11:14 AM

God I'm thick. I didn't realise those guys are apparently out employers if that post is to be believed. Uh, I mean, I mispoke and totally knew that, yup. I'm not thick or anything.

I'd say Amon developed the technique herself but did so working off some snippets she got from Alice - she might have a similar-basis or even identical technique

If they can't identify my technique, does that mean they won't get as good a chance to dodge mind transfer? It says they don't get a save in that case, but i imagine Koji would be able to use the sharingan to see the basic effects of the technique or the general 'if this hits me, it'll be bad' vibe just in time to get a reflex save - if he has see chakra on, at least.

It's a pity you used Alice for an NPC's appearance - I had totally planned on having Amon dress that way after a few levels of puppeteer

ZeroNumerous · 10-08-2012, 11:30 AM

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God I'm thick. I didn't realise those guys are apparently out employers if that post is to be believed. Uh, I mean, I mispoke and totally knew that, yup. I'm not thick or anything.

You're thick, but neither Bad nor Zeone noticed it either.

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If they can't identify my technique, does that mean they won't get as good a chance to dodge mind transfer?

If they are unable to identify it then it can't be dodged. That's pretty much spelled out in the technique's description.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 11:41 AM

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You're thick, but neither Bad nor Zeone noticed it either.

Ha, we need to pay closer attention to notes I guess. I think I got the name of teh town confused for them or something. No wonder we've felt so lost - we were so stupid we were missing the plot hook right in front of her eyes. At least now Amon will have something better to do than make enemies of a character about 5 levels higher than her.

He'll still be able to tell she's performing a technique, but I'll take that risk if need be. It has handseals after all. I was thinking of developping a training technique that will allow me to modify the techniques usage - perhaps performing it as a gaze attack or with its performance time reduced to a full-attack rather than full round action

Yup, I fully admit to being thick. I bet you were wondering why we were wasting time - now you know, Forget excuses like 'oh the forum was down so i forgot this certain thing', it's best to just accept my idiocy and move on.

Bad Situation · 10-08-2012, 11:47 AM

I'm feeling really ****ty after this mission. I just hope it ends soon or at least ends on a relatively high note.

EDIT: Oh, and I did realize they were our employers. I just wanted to talk to the Leaf NPCs first. If that's wasting too much time I guess I could edit my latest post...

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 11:51 AM

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll get back on the rails soon and have a good old time. I don't know what we can salvage form here since so many elements of the adventure are now just temporally screwed up, but maybe that'll add an extra twist we can roll with.

Bad, why don't you have Yousuke ask out employer why our orders are so suspect. Also there's no children outside. And the Garou are all children. On second thought, don't ask him, just find an excuse to observe him. This was a trap for Cybele. Be on your toes in any case.

ZeroNumerous · 10-08-2012, 12:43 PM

Did Amon suddenly grow a watch?

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 12:52 PM

You specified the time that passed, so I just assumed Amon has a really good internal body clock. I also thought of having her make some Holmes-ian observation about the wind or something to justify that knowledge. if you want, I could amend the line to, say...

"Bull****. The key to detecting genjutsu is to watch for discontinuity. And I wouldn't fall asleep in front of a ninja, never never, none except medical professionals and my sensei, and you are certainly not the latter. I'd rather keep walking until I passed out on my feet!"

Actually i kind of like that line better. Do I have permission to change it?

Bad Situation · 10-08-2012, 01:05 PM

On the bright side, Koji's text turned blue.

~~Maybe he's friendly toward you now.~~

ZeroNumerous · 10-08-2012, 01:08 PM

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Actually i kind of like that line better. Do I have permission to change it?

Yes, since there's no way she would know the time.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 01:16 PM

Oh Bad, you're right, that is creepy. let's see if he keeps it up in the next post. Perhaps seeing her unconscious made him lighten up - an opportunity Amon probably wasted with her paranoia about genjutsu users - though if he's at all insightful he'd know that's a phobia he provoked, so she won't be in her most presentable state of mind.

Guess we'll see if he's acting any nicer and not just faking it to screw with Amon...

Anyway, as you can clearly see I changed the dialogue (and kept the original but sectioned off and struck through). Also withdrew a threat to cut out his eyes but I'm already regretting doing so. Hmm... i guess I'll leave it out.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 01:32 PM

Anyway, let's find this Sonada bloke. Hopefully I won't be called upon to make any more will saves on the way

ZN, for some reason I get the impression you're in Britain right now. maybe I've been hanging around too many Erasmus students

ZeroNumerous · 10-08-2012, 02:21 PM

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ZN, for some reason I get the impression you're in Britain right now.

I'm not in Britain.

TraceHyde · 10-08-2012, 02:23 PM

Damn, guess I'll call off the British SWAT teams then.

Ninja Lore check to see if I know about Koji Uchiha (1d20+7)[8] plus any reputation, I guess.

Edit: Nope. I would have taken 10, but... I don't think it's that important. (ah, why i lie to myself)