Soragakure OOC III - Why Do We Have 3 Of These? - Page 16

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 03:45 AM

Lecture ended early. Still have another in ten minutes though.

ZN, is the case Shanghai came in Chaka-proof? As in, she has the tech to line her house with sensor-proofing material, I'm wondering if the case is the same deal. Amon will have tinkered with it enough over the lats week to know well enough

Cespenar · 10-12-2012, 03:57 AM

Pfft. You attend all your lectures? Loser.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 04:01 AM

Well, some of them. kind of one of those things about being a science student - you're expected to attend stuff every now and then. Speaking of, I'm taking off now. I think I might start walking along the road Yousuke took to meet them before hey reach the clearing, leaving the cat with Houshi, and make an offer to them. 'I only need one of you. Dog-girl, come. If all three of you simply must be together, then here, take the mission scroll and wrap things up for us because we can't do it ourselves and I don't want to be reminded of Sanagi's presence any more than i need to be'. Is that offer acceptable, Bad? Any alterations?

ZeroNumerous · 10-12-2012, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TraceHyde

ZN, is the case Shanghai came in Chaka-proof? As in, she has the tech to line her house with sensor-proofing material, I'm wondering if the case is the same deal. Amon will have tinkered with it enough over the lats week to know well enough

No. Shanghai doesn't store chakra for very long once you remove the chakra threads, so there's no point in sensor-blocking the case. Not that the Hyuuga couldn't just see through it either way.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 05:08 AM

I'd say I was entitled to a Sense Motive to try and communicate with the cat, but, well, I can't think up the right delivery for that particular joke (though the punchline would be my -1 to such checks)

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 05:19 AM

Wealth check to see if I just happened to be carrying, among my random clutter, a hat large enough to hide the cat. (1d20+18)[38] Preferably a witch's hat, just to complete the aesthetic, black cat and all

ZeroNumerous · 10-12-2012, 05:35 AM

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I'd say I was entitled to a Sense Motive to try and communicate with the cat, but, well, I can't think up the right delivery for that particular joke (though the punchline would be my -1 to such checks)

Cats have immunity to sense motive anyway, due to the psionic intelligence dampening field they emit.

On Wealth: You aren't carrying a hat, because you don't have a hat in your item list.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 05:53 AM

Eh. I read something in the Wealth rules about, instead of tracking every cigarette and condom in your inventory, if it's an unrestricted item of a purchase DC below (I think) 10 you're able to presume to have picked one up at some point by making a wealth check. I was hoping a hat or coat or something might qualify - at the very least I figured Amon would have a change of clothes while on missions, just in case.

Maybe I could tear off and fashion some of my dress into a cat-concealing apparatus. It's either that or I shove it in my bag. Or up my skirt, which would lend itself to almost too much mockery (and bleeding thighs from when it inevitably scratches me a lot) so I won't do that. Aw man,I thought of the bets joke ever but I'll need to read the forum guidelines to know if I can even say it...

I'll figure it out when I get home in about an hour. If I can't hide the cat by the time they're due to get back, I'll leave it with Houshi for a minute or two and head them off.

Oh god, how much you want to bet Houshi will say something like 'hey, kaede gave us this cat and left us a note in the crater where he supposedly died' and screw us over again? It's probably best to exclude his loose lips from the conversation...

ZeroNumerous · 10-12-2012, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TraceHyde

Eh. I read something in the Wealth rules about, instead of tracking every cigarette and condom in your inventory, if it's an unrestricted item of a purchase DC below (I think) 10 you're able to presume to have picked one up at some point by making a wealth check.

I'd like to point out that Shurikens, Whips, Tasers, Pepper Spray, Javelins, Crossbows, and Compound Bows are all below DC 10 and unrestricted. Theoretically one could have an infinite number of any of these items by making a wealth check and taking ten. So anyone with a Wealth mod of +10 or higher can cover the world in Shurikens via Free Action abuse.

To put it plainly: No. That's a silly rule.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 06:54 AM

I'm sure it would be subject to DM approval, but I think the silliness of that rule is mostly a result of the wealth rules being a little weird. Still, for the odd scrap of clothing, I think that clause fits well enough. I certainly see your gripe though - your thoughts are not far from my own on that. But it would always be objects they could 'plausibly have'. I'm not sure where one would plausibly find a store of shurikens sufficient to cover the world not be assume dto have the carrying capacity for such things unnoticed.

Silly rules are awesome though... for a laugh, at least. I hear tell often times of the 'drowning bucket' method of reviving characters as a fun little exploit, a glitch in the DnD 3.5 rules, among other things.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 10:12 AM

I'll be going to see a movie with the kids and probably won't be back until 8 (4 hours from now). I'm just trying to think of a good move to make before I leave - I still have an hour after all. Hmm... for some reason I want Bad's opinion pretty badly. I kind of think doing this mission now is a really bad idea - we'll have the leaf nin breathing down our neck and it might well ruin our chances of fulfilling Kaede's request in any capacity. Really the only IC reason to do this is to make that farmer happy while getting paid, but the pay isn't that important to Amon and losing your most powerful member in the field should generally be an acceptable reason to back off for the day to report in. Most of the reasons for going through with this are entirely OOC - we want XP and to see all the nifty lore ZN will have written, but we simply can't approach all that with the same mindframe we would have at the start of the day.

Maybe the mission will keep until morning. I propose we just retreat entirely and tackle this in the morning. Of course that also presents the risk that events will progress really quickly and we'll be entirely left behind, but that might be a risk we'll have to take. Damn, I wish this cat could speak - it would make our courses of options so much more clear cut

Bad Situation · 10-12-2012, 10:21 AM

I think it's a little late to be having second thoughts after I've led them right back to us. If they ask, tell them it's Kaede's pet or something. I really don't know what's up with the cat or why Kaede wants us to feed it whatever is in that vial. Taken very literally, Kaede has asked used his dying wish to ask us to feed his cat. Are animals with sharingan eyes normal for Uchiha? I have no idea.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 10:32 AM

Nope, they are not common (unless a higher degree of success on my knowledge chekc would have revealed otgherwise). I made my ninja lore check. Apparently the cats raised by the Uchiha (kind of like their equivalent to that dog-raising clan) generally have the Uchiha symbol on them, but no such eyes were mentioned. I don't know how long we have before the summoning technique ends. Amon's holding out the hope that, since it seems to have his eyes, the cat is somehow a vessel for Kaede - why else would it be so damned important to make sure it was led back to Soragakure.

Hmm... The cat acted like it's done this before, but doesn't seem to understand us, so I'm not sure what to make of it. We could still theoretically get them to back off. Amon is probably going to head them off before Yousuke brings them all back here in any case so that woudl be plenty of opportunity to tell them to bug off.

You forget also they have an Uchiha in their mix - they might even recognise the cat's function, and then we'll really be screwed. If nothing else let's get Koji away from us. And anyone could tell the cat was weird with those eyes and that chakra - it's obviously a ninja-skilled cat of some sort, something nobody should simply ignore.

Bad Situation · 10-12-2012, 10:44 AM

Amon can return to Soragakure alone if you're really worried about it?

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 10:50 AM

I was considering that actually. Hmm... I have to leave in like 5 minutes so I guess I won't be getting a post up for a while. Sorry.

Actually no, Amon wouldn't abandon her friends here. So you're stuck with me

ZeroNumerous · 10-12-2012, 03:14 PM

If Amon won't abandon her friends, then why would the leaf-nin? It's just plain silly to ask them to do something you won't.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 03:18 PM

Just got back from the movie. And I just realised how my most recent post could be taken as a death threat. I did that annoying thing I did again, didn't I, where I decide to just overstep my bounds. I just edited out the latter half of my post, removing it - and I apologise for being disruptive in my haste once again. Here, let me try this again.

Ahem: Amon land hops after Yousuke, hoping to head him off on his way back. I will now roll to see if I detect them coming first or they me, but as Amon isn't looking for a fight, it makes no difference as she is making no effort to hide her presence

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Listen - I take 10 for 11

I thank you for not pouncing on the chance to have them really interpret what Amon said to them as a threat and knocking her ass out of the tree to seize the initiative. That was damn decent of you - since I spent the last hour of the film dreading exactly that. Amon's friendship with leaf-nin just aren't going to happen as long as Kaede still has a will that she feels she must protect. (that they, in her currently somewhat paranoid mind, might automatically accuse them of attempting to disrupt

How long would you say it would take to make a hat out of the materials available to me? Actually, never mind, my bag will probably suffice if the cat will willingly ride in it

Edit: Never mind, saw you already responded IC just now. You have the weirdest timing, you know. Edited my post to reflect the original content (sans text format for dialogue) so we'll take it from there

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 03:45 PM

There was another part to Amon's tearful ramgling, but I cut it for time. Also to give the Konoha nin a chance to say something, or Yousuke.

On reflection, do you think I'm being melodramatic? I'll read over what I wrote and potentially amend it once me and my sister finish this episode of Star Trek. Although enough of it stands to warrant a response, I think. If nothing else, teh first paragraph largely stands firm

ZeroNumerous · 10-12-2012, 04:13 PM

Well, since this isn't going anywhere, Team Cybele probably needs to move on and write this one off.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 04:47 PM

Yeah, probably... I just feel bad about making you waste your prepared material if we go home now. I mean, we barely got a line of dialogue out of the Garou and you obviously had at least a little bit more than that prepared. But if you advise us so, I guess we'll head home. You're the DM after all.

I think trying so hard to salvage this mission and do it like it was originally intended has only made matters worse. Next time we get knocked off the rails, we should try just rolling with the chaos of the thing.

ZeroNumerous · 10-12-2012, 04:51 PM

I haven't advised you on anything, nor will I ever. Everything you do in the game is your choice and will continue to remain devoid of any input on my part.

I just realize that Amon isn't going to budge, and the leaf-nin aren't going to do your job for you. Thus there's no point in wasting anymore time when both parties aren't going to move.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 04:58 PM

Well, advice is the wrong word. I don't mean 'you're advising us to lead our roleplaying towards what you want' I meant more 'yeah, you're probably right, we're pushing it'. To me, good advice as a concept is more about reminding people of their intentions than it is about using some superior knowledge base. So when I said that you're advising us I just meant I agreed.

My real concern is getting into some stupid Romantic-Comedy type of scenario where throughout the whole rest of the day, Amon has to hide the cat until they complete the mission and get away from the leaf-nin. Amon might be able to otherwise work with them if not for that factor in place.

Bad Situation · 10-12-2012, 05:04 PM

Made my post. If it sways Amon we can go get those Garou if it doesn't I think I wrapped it up well enough.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 05:12 PM

I'm sorry if the way I've played Amon recently has buggered us up too badly. Maybe I got a little too into character.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 05:27 PM

If we want to do the mission still, Amon might be down for it but don't expect it to have the same tone it might otherwise have had

You may want to pick up Amon's mission scroll at least if you don't want to do the mission

ZeroNumerous · 10-12-2012, 05:29 PM

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I'm sorry if the way I've played Amon recently has buggered us up too badly. Maybe I got a little too into character.

The way you play your character is the majority of the game, so you shouldn't be sorry about it. Don't make friends? Oh well. Go with it. Don't compromise your character for the sake of NPCs.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 05:35 PM

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The way you play your character is the majority of the game, so you shouldn't be sorry about it. Don't make friends? Oh well. Go with it. Don't compromise your character for the sake of NPCs.

You think? You know, you're right. I just thought overtly adopting such a mindset might be offensive to you, ZN. Then again you are the least strict story-wise of all my game-masters - I'm sure you can roll with things well enough no matter what I do. It's just for some reason recently I've been stressing myself out over that and I'm not sure why. If you don't have any problem with how I'm playing Amon then... Well, I guess, yeah, we're at a bit of a stalemate and would benefit from going home. I'll be sure to return to playng her at full 'normalcy' from now on then.

I think it was the bit where you said we made enemies of NPCs 'intended' to be friendly. It made me feel like the way I was playing Anon ruined everything somehow - the forum's going down and giving me 3 days to overthink myself into that position certianly didn't help with my frame of mind.

Edit: OOH, yeah, Amon wanted to end this mission on a positive note so she would have another good story to tell Aiko when she got home and finally saw her tonight. Maybe, just maybe, the thing with the cat will be a really good thing in the end, enough for her to look her sister in the eye when she asks how Amon has been. Obviously saying that won't make good things happen, I'm just prefacing Amon's reaction if things don't go out way a little bit

ZeroNumerous · 10-12-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TraceHyde

I think it was the bit where you said we made enemies of NPCs 'intended' to be friendly. It made me feel like the way I was playing Anon ruined everything somehow - the forum's going down and giving me 3 days to overthink myself into that position certianly didn't help with my frame of mind.

Ya, that wasn't the way I intended that stuff to come across. I was simply stating that my plan got broken, but didn't intend to blame you(or anyone else) for that. After all, everyone maintained character for the whole exchange, so it was just an issue of circumstance. I still think it's possible to salvage the situation, but it'd require Amon(or Houshi) to do something crazy.

TraceHyde · 10-12-2012, 05:46 PM

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Ya, that wasn't the way I intended that stuff to come across. I was simply stating that my plan got broken, but didn't intend to blame you(or anyone else) for that. After all, everyone maintained character for the whole exchange, so it was just an issue of circumstance. I still think it's possible to salvage the situation, but it'd require Amon(or Houshi) to do something crazy.

...See now all I can think of is crazy things. And wonder why it can't be Yousuke but CAN be Houshi. God I wish there was a way to squeeze that info out of you. ... I'm probably going t lose sleep thinking of this 'crazy salvaging' plan. Does it involve... no, that wouldn't work, getting us captured. Although maybe if.... Can you give me a hint? I don't mean that in the sense of 'tell me exactly how to perform a working plan' just 'I'm a little dry on inspiration, why don't you use one of your "crazy" ideas to fire up the old imagintion of mine'

For some reason I thoght you were blaming me and I spent the last week feeling really guilty about it. Oh, the wasted time and odd roleplaying that comes from our minor emotional miscommunication

zeone3000 · 10-12-2012, 05:48 PM

Houshi... do something crazy? That never happens. He doesn't punch jounins in the face or anything like that...

In other words, I'm listening.