Soragakure OOC III - Why Do We Have 3 Of These?

[TraceHyde]

Well, saying something doesn't look the same as something else as a way of describing its appearance doesn't exactly work. For instance, in the case of dojutsu, if you were asked 'what does the byakugan' it wouldn't be inaccurate to say 'it looks different from the sharingan' but it wouldn't be informative either. So now, Amon has shown from personal experience what the Red Eyes looks like by way of Henge

Hmm... I'm pretty sure I got these guys. ZN, can I use my same rolls if I get, say, 10 feet closer? I woulnd't say Amon has 'extremely poor' eyesight. 'Her work with engines and other fine details in arms reach such has made her eyes strain to the point of being shortsighted' is actually an aspect I envisioned in her character, sure, but she isn't completely terrible with vision. She just didn't pour in any ranks yet. Irresponsible maybe, but that's how I roll

[ZeroNumerous]

Originally Posted by TraceHyde

Well, saying something doesn't look the same as something else as a way of describing its appearance doesn't exactly work. For instance, in the case of dojutsu, if you were asked 'what does the byakugan' it wouldn't be inaccurate to say 'it looks different from the sharingan' but it wouldn't be informative either. So now, Amon has shown from personal experience what the Red Eyes looks like by way of Henge

You're comparing apples and oranges when you compare the Byakugan and the Sharingan. So of course the comparison doesn't work there.

But if we compare the apples to apples of the Sharingan vs the Red Eye then the similarities are much stronger: Both are red and both are thematically similar. Saying that the Red Eye doesn't look like the Sharingan says a lot, because it tells the listener that they're looking for a red eye technique without the black tomoe.

Originally Posted by TraceHyde

Hmm... I'm pretty sure I got these guys. ZN, can I use my same rolls if I get, say, 10 feet closer? I woulnd't say Amon has 'extremely poor' eyesight. 'Her work with engines and other fine details in arms reach such has made her eyes strain to the point of being shortsighted' is actually an aspect I envisioned in her character, sure, but she isn't completely terrible with vision. She just didn't pour in any ranks yet. Irresponsible maybe, but that's how I roll

She's completely terrible with vision, Trace. She's unable to spot someone who isn't hiding 30 meters away.

That said, you can use your old checks if you make the attempt, but Kaede's clearly telling you not to.

[TraceHyde]

Technically, taking an average NPC with wisdom 10 and no ranks in spot has just slightly better vision than her, and they're just everyday folklike you can me. I'd blame the awkward nature of the game's assumptions that lead to a mechanic that makes everyone that doesn't invest in spot essentially a guardsman from Metal Gear Solid. I'm not saying the situation isn't a testament to how bad her vision is, I'm just saying by the game's 'average' standards, she isn't doing any worse than the average civilian. Sure, for a ninja that's REALLY bad, but in the real world aparently hardly any worse than the vision you or I possess (if you or I were transported to this topsy turvy world of dice rolling, of course)

Amon isn't known for being obedient. She won't try anything yet, just continue to tail these people (a little closer) and wait for an opportunity OR until Kaede needs her help. She won't particularly endanger herself. After 10 minutes, her Henge will be up and she'll evaluate whether or not it's worth continuing to purse this. The Henge itself isn't important, it's just an arbitrary measure of time.

[ZeroNumerous]

My point is that she's worse than an average person, and is a ninja with 6 levels on her. She has terrible eyesight.

If Amon isn't going to do as she's told, then you should post that.

[TraceHyde]

I did, didn't I? Well, she didn't try anything stupid, she's just continuing what she was doing anyway, tailing them, as I specified in my last post IC, about 8 minutes ago. Perhaps 'she disobeys her order' would have been more efficient, but there's two ways I can think of to take that, so I decided to be clear... by rambling until the point was lost, it seems. Like right now, probably

Yeah, for her level. I'm hoping to fix that at some point though, when I get the intelligence for more skill points. 9 every level isn't cutting it

[zeone3000]

Originally Posted by ZeroNumerous

I need spot/listen from Yousuke and Houshi if they're gonna stay behind.

I planned to head to town, not stay put.

[TraceHyde]

ZN, I'm closer (80 feet). Do I see them all? If I don't, I'm probably going to bail after all.

@Zeone, best scrape up Yousuke's body and get going then. Amon left you some 'breadcrumbs' to follow if you choose. I assume you mean the town wer'e close to, not Soragakure?

[zeone3000]

Still, meant to roll just in case.

Spot: (1d20+2)[8]
Listen: (1d20+2)[6]

I see nothing! I hear nothing! I didn't even get up this morning!

[ZeroNumerous]

Originally Posted by zeone3000

I planned to head to town, not stay put.

Okay, then you don't need spot/listen.

Originally Posted by TraceHyde

ZN, I'm closer (80 feet). Do I see them all? If I don't, I'm probably going to bail after all.

As I said in my post: Amon still only sees three non-Kaede ninja.

[TraceHyde]

You can't see, but I'm giving you a thumbs up (for the spot/listen, zeone)

If you're attacked, you should use your summoning scroll to cover Yousuke if retreat or surrender isn't an option.

[TraceHyde]

Originally Posted by ZeroNumerous

As I said in my post: Amon still only sees three non-Kaede ninja.

Man, it's late. Okay, okay... Can't assault directly, they have their arrows trained on Kaede... 3 unseen people.... but if I turn around and leave, we'll be leaving Kaede to an unknown fate. It isn't even worth asking if I get a spot check to detect those bowmen. Which means... Oh hoh. Quantum Mechanics, you save the day again. Why is it I manage to SIMPLIFY things down to quantum mechanics in most everyday situations. Bound states, begetting, propogation... Use a bunshin, draw their fire, figure out where they are from the arrow's point of origin. But if they're up high, Mind Transfer isn't an option - I'd fall out the tree and die and I can't hit them from the ground. Hmm...

Can I use Henge to fake wounds, you think?

[ZeroNumerous]

Yes, you should be able to fake wounds with Transformation.

[TraceHyde]

Hmm... it's 3am here, so my brain is only half-on, so I'm going to get some sleep before I do something REALLY stupid but i think I have it locked down.

Would Henge be maintained if I use Mind Transfer to leave the transformed body?

[Jacior]

Manabu is so bold! Basically slapping a crime lord in the face.

EDIT: Could we get links to the threads in the opening post?

[ZeroNumerous]

You should have them subscribed, but sure.

[Jacior]

I do! It's just nice to be able to go there when I feel lazier than normal.

What secret am I not keeping? I'm am very confused.

[ZeroNumerous]

That should be really obvious.

You're ninja. The village is often contracted for clandestine operations. If you told anyone about what happened on this mission, then you'd be proving Soragakure cannot be trusted with information. Thus, they'd be even more hurt for contracts.

[Jacior]

I feel like I am missing something. I realyl have no clue. Maybe work is muddling my head.

I now feel like a big idiot. Becasue I can't figure out what I've done.




EDIT: OH! Do you mean my threat to tell the other crime families about what happened?

[ZeroNumerous]

Originally Posted by Jacior

EDIT: OH! Do you mean my threat to tell the other crime families about what happened?

Originally Posted by Myself

If you told anyone about what happened on this mission, then you'd be proving Soragakure cannot be trusted with information.

No, I have no idea how you would come to that assumption. [/sarcasm]

EDIT: Yousuke/Houshi can throw out Ninja Lore checks if they wanna know about these gals(and one guy).

[Jacior]

Don't be mean! I was working all day and everything was one disaster after another.

EDIT: I could Henge into someone I could see, right now, and make it pretty good without trying hard, right?

[Bad Situation]

Ninja Lore: (1d20+8)[28]

EDIT: Suffice to say, I think I know about as much as I could possibly know about these gals (and one guy).

[ZeroNumerous]

Originally Posted by Jacior

EDIT: I could Henge into someone I could see, right now, and make it pretty good without trying hard, right?

What do you mean? You can transform into someone, and it'd look just like that person, but it's still only a +15 on the Disguise check IIRC.

Originally Posted by Bad Situation

Ninja Lore: [roll0]

EDIT: Suffice to say, I think I know about as much as I could possibly know about these gals (and one guy).

Yup. That's a total of 38 with the jounin's rep bonus.

[Bad Situation]

Blazer Boy: (1d20+8)[26]
Dog Girl: (1d20+8)[17]
Dark Haired Girl: (1d20+8)[16]

Eh, I'd actually like to know more about the dark haired girl since she looks the oldest. Oh well.

[ZeroNumerous]

Dog girl doesn't have any rep, and with the 15 you'll get enough for everyone else anyway.

[Jacior]

... I just wanna kill Gonzou, any objections? Rion, Cesp?

[Bad Situation]

I edited my post some but it shouldn't really change much.

[ZeroNumerous]

Since Yousuke's now in positive HP Jun will use Medical Ninjutsu: Second Rank to heal Yousuke at 1d6+2 per minute.

First minute: (1d6+2)[6].

[Bad Situation]

I hope Kaede is keen on laying low for a while.

Is there a way to boost Reputation outside of class levels?

[ZeroNumerous]

Yes. You'll get "bonus" rep for just being really good(+1 per 5 HD), doing impressive things(such as bounty hunting A- or S-ranked criminals), and the Renown feat(+3 rep, I think).

[Bad Situation]

Oh, so is my Rep score +2 then? And then +4 within Soragakure because of Genius Ninja. And Academy Students don't get Rep bonuses, I don't think.