Soragakure OOC III - Why Do We Have 3 Of These? - Page 21

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroNumerous

Go for a ninja lore check if you want.

Don't mind if I do.

Ninja Lore (1d20+7)[22]

I could jsut take 10, but taht would be boring. I already said Amon knows Youki by way of pulp novels; that should be enough to work with. besides, someone has to beclueless for an exposition dump to take place. Plus taking 10 never gives cool enough results

Edit: Mako won initiative right? I think I should wait until she takes her turn since she's the only one in her initiative block. Man that map is big, how long did taht take you to make?

Bad Situation · 10-14-2012, 04:06 PM

Can I make a Ninja Lore check to learn about my clan?

:3c

ZeroNumerous · 10-14-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad Situation

Can I make a Ninja Lore check to learn about my clan?

:3c

No. Yousuke has no idea who his clan is.

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad Situation

Can I make a Ninja Lore about my clan?

:3c

Oh my god, I actually laughed there! You are a riot. It's so simple but punchy.

Would I be able to ruin my stealth on someone else's action? Like if 3 of them take their move and drop Houshi down to like 3 HP, would I be able to say 'Amon screams 'LOOK AT ME, I'M AN ENEMY' to draw their fire from the remaining Garou away from him?

Wish I'd gone with Doton. That's really the best element. Then again, I'm just not using Raiton right - there's a loit of movement abilities in there taht I jsut haven't thought to pick up yet

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 04:21 PM

Maybe we could try diplomacy? Pft-ha. Oh man, seriously, I'm making that genjutsu now. I have a pretty good Hide modifier - I'm no Cybele, but...

... I just realised I miscalculated my Hide modifier. God dammit.

ZN, my result should actually still be 20 for Hide, as my modifier is only +8, not +10. Unless there's some terrain advantages (like bush cover or something) - like, half cover gives a +5 I think. Maybe it will be good to avoid detection by some of them...?

ZeroNumerous · 10-14-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TraceHyde

Wish I'd gone with Doton. That's really the best element. Then again, I'm just not using Raiton right - there's a loit of movement abilities in there taht I jsut haven't thought to pick up yet

Doton is a really strong element, yes. But Suiton is hands down the best if you have access to water regularly. It simply allows you to do far too many things, and would actually be overpowered if not for the water restriction.

Raiton has several perks, but I'd say Fire is the weakest element out there.

Bad Situation · 10-14-2012, 04:21 PM

Are Houki and Jun going to move?

EDIT: With archetypes, you can get Elemental Specialization from level 1. Making Suiton and Hyouton pretty cool picks.

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 04:25 PM

I don't suppose I managed to avoid detection by, say, half of them? Like, maybe the ninjutsu users didn't spot me?

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 04:27 PM

Huh. Where is Shanghai on that map...?

Cespenar · 10-14-2012, 04:28 PM

Okay, since you people have exiled my post of alternate ideas to the depths of the previous page, now our game will never continue, forever doomed to the limbo of PbP games.

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Who knows when he's going to leave? A good father would watch his daughter practice the whole time, but what do you think Gonzou will do?

That's why I tried to come up with the alternate ideas.

ZeroNumerous · 10-14-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad Situation

EDIT: With archetypes, you can get Elemental Specialization from level 1. Making Suiton and Hyouton pretty cool picks.

You need to be level 12(Level+3=Max ranks) to take Elemental Specialization. If you can get a Suiton user up to that point, then they're pretty much unstoppable. Seriously. Suiton is ridiculously strong if you can ignore material components.

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Originally Posted by TraceHyde

I don't suppose I managed to avoid detection by, say, half of them? Like, maybe the ninjutsu users didn't spot me?

Doesn't really matter if they can't, because the bow-users can just point you out and their abilities are AoE anyway.

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Originally Posted by TraceHyde

Huh. Where is Shanghai on that map...?

In your square.

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cespenar

Okay, since you people have exiled my post of alternate ideas to the depths of the previous page, now our game will never continue, forever doomed to the limbo of PbP games.

Hey, don't look at us! I don't know the situation and ZN isn't allowed to give advise as DM. Clearly, as always, this is BAD's fault. For leaving you in this SITUATION!

Bad Situation · 10-14-2012, 04:41 PM

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Elementalist
Feats: Elemental Specialization (any).
Special: The character gains 1 bonus chakra every level.
Combat Tactics and Insightful Reflexes feats are always part of the character's bonus feat list.

I thought they got Elemental Specialization for free.

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroNumerous

You need to be level 12(Level+3=Max ranks) to take Elemental Specialization. If you can get a Suiton user up to that point, then they're pretty much unstoppable. Seriously. Suiton is ridiculously strong if you can ignore material components.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=32

^ the archetypes from the OP. The material is clearly a bit outdated, referring to feats that no longer exist. But Elementalist is at the bottom and gives Elemental Specialisation. At level 1. Always thought that was a bit tough.

I really just want to wait for mako's turn - the Garou move before me anyway

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 04:46 PM

Oh yeah, I was meaning to ask - can I use action points to improve initiative? It is a Dexterity check after all. Ah, it will be too late by now though, right? Man, that would be good though - with my poison and what have you, I could screw these guys up if I won initiative

ZeroNumerous · 10-14-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad Situation

I thought they got Elemental Specialization for free.

...Wow, that's really good.

Nevermind what I said earlier.

@Action Points: Yes. You can improve almost any d20 roll with them.

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroNumerous

@Action Points: Yes. You can improve almost any d20 roll with them.

So.... can I use it to improve my initiative right now before the fight starts?

Otherwise, I'll just wait until the Garou chop me to bits I guess. We really should have approached them from the trees - or at least we would have if not for Houshi's lack of ability essentially funnelling us into the stupidest approach possible. Well, at least since they'll see him first and (with his sword) identify him as the biggest threat, Amon might not take enough damage to lose Shanghai.

I just realised that since Yousuek won inittiative we might have to wait for - Oh, never mind.

Edit: Bad, where is it Yousuke's heading to exactly?

Bad Situation · 10-14-2012, 05:01 PM

Cluestering is bad. And anyway, we have our own mission to accomplish and even at full speed Yousuke is better at hiding than Jun is.

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 05:12 PM

Oh, I just realised the trees apparently block line of effect. So they can't blast ALL of us - they have to do it one at a time since each of us seems to be seperated from the other by a tree.

Shanghai won't get to be used this mission Amon will just toss her and activate the sunburst tag I put on her shield when her focus on her new toy is eventually broken. How dull. God, puppets are so clunky, aren't they?

There's like 20 people out here but we're only going to get XP for a certain number of them even though - if they're all level 6 ordinaries - this is easily our greatest challenge yet. Seriously, Suzunabu had nothing on these guys by virtue of sheer numbers. - you could run away from Suzunabu (if you were willing to sacrifice two people) at least. Or TALK to her even. These guys are just *******s.

OH, I thought of an action. A FREE action.

ZeroNumerous · 10-14-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TraceHyde

Shanghai won't get to be used this mission Amon will just toss her and activate the sunburst tag I put on her shield when her focus on her new toy is eventually broken.

Shanghai has a pretty good defense, so I don't see how she'll get hit unless they get lucky.

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Originally Posted by Bad Situation

Cluestering is bad. And anyway, we have our own mission to accomplish and even at full speed Yousuke is better at hiding than Jun is.

Yup. Jun's pretty bad at hiding, but Mako's a better fighter and more likely to survive longer against waves and waves of enemies. Mako put Yousuke and Jun on the rescue mission, because she knows she's unlikely to get hurt(but that was proven wrong when the Garo used ninjutsu against her) but Yousuke might. She doesn't know Amon is a medical ninja, and only assumed she was a puppeteer based on the puppet she saw in Amon's case when she used Telescopic Sight earlier.

Thus, she placed the medic nin with the guy about to get into a fight, while using the puppeteer(unlikely to get hurt) and the big guy(clearly some kind of taijutsu user) to draw attention away from Yousuke and Jun.

ZeroNumerous · 10-14-2012, 05:23 PM

Also: Just realized that Mako gets an AoO since the bow-users fired while threatened by her. She'll go after B1, as she doesn't have Combat Reflexes and cannot attack both.

Attack: (1d20+11)[26] Hits.
Damage: (1d8+4)[11]

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 05:23 PM

How many of them could I fit into a 15-foot radius spread? Bonus points for 'without including Mako'? I think they should all still be within range... Hmm... lot of considerations.

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroNumerous

Shanghai has a pretty good defense, so I don't see how she'll get hit unless they get lucky.

It's not Shanghai I'm worried about - if Amon gets hit there's a chance it will break her concentration on Shanghai, disrupting her. Shanghai's Defence is 19, I think, so that isnt' that big a concern

Amon didn't mention being a medical ninja because she isn't a very good medical ninja. She doesn't view herself as reliable enough to live up to any expectation she builds around herself.

ZeroNumerous · 10-14-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TraceHyde

How many of them could I fit into a 15-foot radius spread? Bonus points for 'without including Mako'? I think they should all still be within range... Hmm... lot of considerations.

15ft radius? You could get N1, N2, B1, and B2 without getting Mako. You'd have to launch it at the intersection of N1 and N2 to do so. Example.

Or you could launch it at the intersection of B1 and B2 in order to catch everybody in the radius. Mako included. Example.

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 05:39 PM

It's a sunburst tag that I jammed on Shanghai's shield. It won't KILL her or anything. Will you roll each of their fortitude saves seperately?

What's the least number of AoO Shanghai wouldprovoke? having a map this big with so many things that are constantly changing is maddening - I can't tell what I'm doing. I guess I'd charge the nearest Ninjutsu user and activate the tag...? ~~Perhaps a localised map update?~~

Edit: oh, I see now. hang on. How stupid do the bow users need to be to be that close to her while the swordmen are all the way over there...

ZeroNumerous · 10-14-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TraceHyde

Edit: oh, I see now. hang on. How stupid do the bow users need to be to be that close to her while the swordmen are all the way over there...

Re-read her actions. She was originally sandwiched between the two swordsmen, and they were originally blocking her advance. But she Shundou'd between them.

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Originally Posted by Bad Situation

Cluestering is bad. And anyway, we have our own mission to accomplish and even at full speed Yousuke is better at hiding than Jun is.

Speaking of moving. I assume Yousuke's taking a double move closer, right?

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 05:47 PM

Hmm... the nearest one is just within charging distance - oh wait, Shanghai has reach with her spear! In that case, I guess I'll... charge the ninjutsu users. Maybe I'll save the tag for another turn - it depends how much effect my poison has.

Oh, I got the part about Shundou. It's jus a bit hard to keep up with all that stuff happening at once. Plus mocking people for things outside their control is a hobby of mine. Speaking of which, how do you like respiration by way of oxygen, ZN? (our silicon-based friends on planet Glundor-9 are all like 'oh snap, take that she went there!')

Bad Situation · 10-14-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroNumerous

Speaking of moving. I assume Yousuke's taking a double move closer, right?

Would that impose a greater stealth penalty?

TraceHyde · 10-14-2012, 05:53 PM

I just realised that the grid is unnumbered. God, my action just got a bit harder to describe.

Oh god, I never learned the puppet rules properly. This will take all night. I can't move at the same time as Shanghai, so... hmph. This is hard

ZeroNumerous · 10-14-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad Situation

Would that impose a greater stealth penalty?

No. The only penalty is taking 30ft moves instead of 15ft moves. Though I suppose you could activate your speed ranks and move further(and by proxy gain a better Hide check).

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I just realised that the grid is unnumbered. God, my action just got a bit harder to describe.

Oh god, I never learned the puppet rules properly. This will take all night. I can't move at the same time as Shanghai, so... hmph. This is hard

The grid's unnumbered because that would take forever. North is Up though(West is Left, East is Right, and South is Down).

You've had a long time to learn the puppet rules, but they're pretty simple. You control two bodies, but still retain the same set of actions. You can give up a standard/move/full-round to let Shanghai use the appropriate type of action.

I.E: Amon uses her Move Action to move 15ft, then gives up her Standard Action to let Shanghai use a Standard Action. Shanghai can use that standard action to attack, or convert it to a move action to move, or use a technique with it.