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Old 10-07-2012, 08:01 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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mistformsquirrlKera TemblerHalf elf Cloistered Cleric with Mark of DetectionRoyal Blue
MantidGerilow BrowerPsionic Warrior/Fighter and soldier in Breland ArmyGreen
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Almost from the day that King Boranel ascended to the throne of Breland he has pressed for victory. Breland's resources are strong, Thrane, Cyre and Aundair have recently suffered huge losses of territory and Karrnath still hasn't recovered from the loss of the Mror Holds and her own knights of the Emerald Claw are on the verge of open rebellion. Mercenaries from Valenar and the goblinoid from the border lands flock to serve Breland. House Cannith's new warforged soldiers represent a powerful military element. It is time to press the advantage and take back the Five Nations from those upstarts who have no right to hold his kingdoms.

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The game is set in Khorvaire during the Last War (965 CY), the same year that House Cannith perfected the warforged. War rages all over the five nations, each king or queen maintaining their claim that they are the rightful ruler of the Five Nations. King Boranel has ruled Breland for four years and presses the attack, hoping to end the war with a series of decisive victories.

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Royal Blue if that's alright <._.>
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I was thinking, in the IC thread you mentioned we should take military ranks...

What's a good rank for an advisor to have? < . .> In a modern military sense I'd figure she'd either:

A) Be a Lieutenant, but not the kind who's in any sort of command position. Some jobs simply require you to be an officer.

I'm a bit hesitant to do that though since I don't want to seem like I'm one-upping anyone though; and Kera isn't really much of a leader so I don't want rank to become an issue there.

B) Specialist - Which to my understanding is equivalent to a corporal, except without NCO status.

I'm equally hesitant to do this because a level 4 Cleric is relatively potent in a typical army; and given her role (and the fact that she has a bodyguard) might just be odd too.

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Military ranks, eh? I assume Mercs don't get ranks in the main military, though I guess they might have their own hierachy, depending on the size of the company.
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Green then.

I have my equipment sorted out. Changed my power from Expansion to Primal Fear, if that's acceptable.

Added a flaw and a trait and fleshed out character descriptions.

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Military ranks, eh? I assume Mercs don't get ranks in the main military, though I guess they might have their own hierachy, depending on the size of the company.
Assigning them military ranks would help keep the chain of command accurate.

I'll take the Rank of Lance Corporal. Absolute lowest of the NCO's, but still an officer with a small command (in this case my warforged). As I officer would I join the Officer's Carriage?

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I went Specialist. I figure it's the easiest way to avoid trouble cropping up later. >.>b
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Assigning them military ranks would help keep the chain of command accurate.

I'll take the Rank of Lance Corporal. Absolute lowest of the NCO's, but still an officer with a small command (in this case my warforged). As I officer would I join the Officer's Carriage?
I suppose that's fair. I have no idea where Tuller would fit in in the chain of command though. I'd lean towards Private, but then his duties apparently involve liasoning and negotiating on price with mercenaries, which isn't exactly a privates job.

Also, usually 'Officer' means Commissioned Officers. NCO's would generally stay with the troops, I would think, unless there is a specific reason to have them with the Officers.
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Well I just went out and grabbed Sergeant since it was just below Lieutenant. Figured since Gerilow was suppose to have made a career out of being in the army, he'd be up there. Figure by level 4 he'd be a pretty experienced soldier and certainly be above most the rank and file.

Could have gone with Corporal, I guess, but... eh.

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I think Sergeant is an appropriate rank tbh. < . .> Someone's got to the top NCO after all, and from if you're longtime Brellish military + level 4... it makes good sense I think.
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I suppose that's fair. I have no idea where Tuller would fit in in the chain of command though.
I just realized the Breland is basically Britain. Combine that with the "Last War" being comparable to WWI, and this list becomes quite useful.

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I'd lean towards Private, but then his duties apparently involve liasoning and negotiating on price with mercenaries, which isn't exactly a privates job.
Remember, I get standard pay, supplies as needed, and access to fallen warforged foes.

"Originally, warrant officers were specialist professionals whose expertise and authority demanded formal recognition."
Sounds about right for most here. Warrant Officers are also among the highest ranks possible without a commission, which would likely let the PC's stay in the officer's carriage by way of there being 6 in one carriage and 50+ us in the other carriage otherwise.

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Also, usually 'Officer' means Commissioned Officers. NCO's would generally stay with the troops, I would think, unless there is a specific reason to have them with the Officers.
Like being equivalent or greater in skill that most spec-op's? or the Prior mentioned emptiness of the officers carriage?
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Pssh, if this is Britain at the start of WWI, all the officers would sit in the Officers carriage with the six of them, drink tea, and laugh at the guys crammed into the carriage behind.

Warrant Officer is a reasonable rank though.

Also, is level 4 really that great? I thought Eberron actually had high level NPCs around.

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Also, is level 4 really that great? I thought Eberron actually had high level NPCs around.
It certainly does. Many of the notable organizations are given "typical" examples that can range from 3rd to 8th level. The more famous NPCs in Eberron easily reach into the teens.

Still, depending on the military ranking and structure, the same rank may not always be the same weight.

Anyhow, the PCs are generally meant to be exceptional individuals in the world. It's certainly reasonable that they would have rose in the ranks quicker than most.
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Looks like I'm joining in a little later than the rest. That's what I get for seeing Cirque du Soleil on teh day a campaign starts.

Anyway, I think Mr. Beleren shall go with Navy.
being a warrior unconcerned with rank and advancement I suppose that Ajani shall be a company grade. I have very little knowledge of military ranking but wikipedia helped me out with picking that one.
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Pssh, if this is Britain at the start of WWI, all the officers would sit in the Officers carriage with the six of them, drink tea, and laugh at the guys crammed into the carriage behind.
Yes, but considering they need to protect Yisek, I'd expect them to have the Master at Arms, and I highly doubt they'd exclude the guy who can make water taste like fine wine.
Ajani, Kera, and Raja all make sense as they can provide healing for Cardinal Yisek. Gerilow is probably the best at raw combat (master at arms?), Edwin is the guy who makes deals with the mercenaries, and this force is 76% mercenary. And then Dallun can make water taste like wine and provide emergency healing if needed.

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Warrant Officer is a reasonable rank though.
And one of the only ones Sufficiently diverse it can be applied to most PC's.

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Also, is level 4 really that great? I thought Eberron actually had high level NPCs around.
True, but the total population of ebberon is also very high.
Merrix Junior is level 12. He runs 1/3 of the first mercantile house in existence.
King Boranel is level 11. We are in the Brelish military, you should know who he is.
Three, The king's Personal guard is level 8. (actually less, he leveled substantially during the war.)
Kor ir'Wynar, the king's younger brother and commander of the citadel is level 6.
The Heir - Apparent of Cyre, Prince Oargev, is Level 4.
The highest level NPC's who still work for others seems to be level 9 in Breland. That said Shining Armour Sortan, Captain of the Royal Guard, is 5th level.
Level 4 isn't the best, but it is still pretty damn good. Most of the soldiers here will be level 1 or 2.
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On military ranks even mercenaries would have to fall into the hierarchy somehow. Officers are typically placed over them by those hiring them and some, like shifter rangers or other irregulars, might enqueue military rank but most would stick to those of their employers. For the non-military or independent advisors you would still hold nominal ranks. For example the East India Company was a private organisation under licence in India by the Crown. They held ranks comparable to the British Army though advancement was slower and bore little relationship to the actual ranks given to serving Crown officers.

Warrant Officer does fit the bill quite well.

Ranks I'm using fit more with the Napoleonic era British Army i.e

Rank and file
Private
Sergeant
Staff Sergeant or Colour Sergeant
Warrant Officer
Warrant Officer First Class
Sergeant Major

Bombardier is between Private and Sergeant but operates the machine of war. It is equivalent to a Corporal.
Corporal and Lance Corporal were horse ranks for NCOs dealing with mounts.

Officer ranks
Ensign\Second Lieutenant
First Lieutenant
Captain
Major
Lieutenant Colonel
Colonel
Brigadier
Major-General
Lieutenant-General
General
Field Marshal

Even so a mercenary captain wouldn't rank as highly as a Breland army Lieutenant in the Breland army but would out rank them on a ship in the Breland Navy. Navy ranks are also different with a naval lieutenant being equivalent to an army captain.

Anyway warrant officers and above are invited into the officers carriage as are specialists, wands (military trained spell casters) and bombardiers if the engagement requires war machines.

Given the recent expansion of using warforged there is talk of new ranks being opened up for bombardiers though nothing concrete as yet. In addition dragonmarked auxiliaries typically hold no military rank but act as advisors with the equivalent rank of Ensign or higher. Given that they cannot take command when working as part of a House that is usually not an issue. Mercenary companies under dragonmarked control do not fall under this system though.

See, simple.

Military rank sometimes matches level but often, even in Breland, it has more to do with social class and money. Your assigned officers are clearly all well bred rather than experienced.
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Hmm. An effective rank of Warrant Officer or Sergeant would probably fit Edwin, though I doubt he gets all that much respect, being a merc.
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2 questions Hoverfrog (sorry to be a bother):

1) I'm dragonmarked, does that put me in the "Ensign, but not really" category? Or because I don't have a house is Specialist still the right rank? (Or is there something else you feel would fit better?) - I just want to make sure I nail it all down before we get too far is all. Right now I can easily edit my post and everything will be OK.

2) Completely unrelated to that...

I was thinking about the Leadership feat earlier - not so much for the followers*; but specifically a cohort. Specifically I was wondering, what would it take for me to have some kind of Celestial as a cohort down the line? Nothing huge and fancy though - I'm not talking Planetars and such. Just something like an advanced Lantern Archon or Hound Archon - something with Cure Light Wounds as a SLA maybe. Really like the idea of a Lantern Archon that levels up as a cohort particularly.

I wouldn't be taking Leadership until level 9, minimum, so it's nothing that has to be decided immediately or even soon most probably; it's just one of those things I'm mulling over as a possibility.

Obviously entirely your call, I'm just putting it out there as a "Hrm... I kinda like this idea" thing, basically.

*I feel they usually cause more problems than they're worth, and I don't see Kera as the sort to lead troops.
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1) I'm dragonmarked, does that put me in the "Ensign, but not really" category? Or because I don't have a house is Specialist still the right rank?
That depends on whether you are working for the dragonmark house or not. A non marked House Cannith armourer and repair specialist would hold the same rank as a marked member of the house if they were working for House Cannith and even if they weren't their social rank would be high enough to give them some leeway. The same thing applies to Medani. I think that the intelligence gathering capabilities of House Medani would mean that you'd probably be considered an officer more often than not despite holding a lower military rank. Alternatively you could hold a higher rank but not a command position, like an engineer would.

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2) what would it take for me to have some kind of Celestial as a cohort down the line?
Interesting. As long as the CR is equivalent to the level of your cohort I can't see an immediate issue with this although I reserve the right to give it greater consideration at the time.
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I'm dragonmarked, does that put me in the "Ensign, but not really" category? Or because I don't have a house is Specialist still the right rank? (Or is there something else you feel would fit better?) - I just want to make sure I nail it all down before we get too far is all. Right now I can easily edit my post and everything will be OK.
I think that refers more to people who actually bear a connection to a dragonmarked house, not just people with marks. Like me. But my character dislikes the people running Cannith, so to hell with their rules.

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I was thinking about the Leadership feat earlier - not so much for the followers*; but specifically a cohort. Specifically I was wondering, what would it take for me to have some kind of Celestial as a cohort down the line? Nothing huge and fancy though - I'm not talking Planetars and such. Just something like an advanced Lantern Archon or Hound Archon - something with Cure Light Wounds as a SLA maybe. Really like the idea of a Lantern Archon that levels up as a cohort particularly.

I wouldn't be taking Leadership until level 9, minimum, so it's nothing that has to be decided immediately or even soon most probably; it's just one of those things I'm mulling over as a possibility.
Hound Archon is unavailable as a cohort until level 13. Also, no celestial creatures get cure light wounds as a SLA and are reasonable cohorts. Except Unicorns, which don't really count as celestial.
That said, I like the idea.

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Thanks Hoverfrog, Jojolagger.

I'll have to do a little research/thought, there'll be time certainly hehe <^_^>

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As far as rank goes, I'm going to guess Specialist remains the better choice then. < . .>b
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My character would have no rank in the Brelish military and wouldn't be apart of a merc group per se she is more of a foreign dignitary/ambassador. She is the chief of her tribe and next in line for shaman so she would just be there to help out as an act of faith to make good on her treaty with Breland.
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My character would have no rank in the Brelish military and wouldn't be apart of a merc group per se she is more of a foreign dignitary/ambassador. She is the chief of her tribe and next in line for shaman so she would just be there to help out as an act of faith to make good on her treaty with Breland.
I think the best explanation is that they are having trouble pigeon holing you and your tribe. You aren't military, you aren't civilians, you don't fit their idea of ambassadors so they've grouped you as a neutral foreign fighting unit. As a result they are trying to get you to work with Breland in the way that they can understand.
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Just wishing my fellow Canadians a happy thanskgiving! Ill be posting after dinner tonight.
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So are Ajani and Kera talking to the officer like everyone else or are they still with the cardinal?
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So are Ajani and Kera talking to the officer like everyone else or are they still with the cardinal?
Cardinal is with the officers.

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