Might be worth mentioning, but I have to wonder how many of these beasts of burden and food animals would go extinct as soon as we stop caring for them. I mean, i dont see cows lasting long in the wild. Some would. I know feral pigs are pretty dang hardcore when they get loose. But what is PETA stance on animals that literally couldnt survive on their own? That have basically been selectively bred for certain traits, that have also crippled their ability to survive in the wild?
From what I've heard? Kill them, since they are tainted by humans and would spoil the wild.
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Might be worth mentioning, but I have to wonder how many of these beasts of burden and food animals would go extinct as soon as we stop caring for them. I mean, i dont see cows lasting long in the wild. Some would. I know feral pigs are pretty dang hardcore when they get loose. But what is PETA stance on animals that literally couldnt survive on their own? That have basically been selectively bred for certain traits, that have also crippled their ability to survive in the wild?
Right, it's one of the more amusing if a bit horrific bits that is never really brought up. If we get off our meat diet what are we going to do with the the millions of animals that we're no longer going to need? Even if they don't go full on extinct a lot of them are going to have to die. Whole sale slaughter is something PETA is against when it comes to animals but their whole stance more or less dictates that there's going to have to be one. The other is the body count using combines causes in small rodent and field animal population.
Right, it's one of the more amusing if a bit horrific bits that is never really brought up. If we get off our meat diet what are we going to do with the the millions of animals that we're no longer going to need? Even if they don't go full on extinct a lot of them are going to have to die. Whole sale slaughter is something PETA is against when it comes to animals but their whole stance more or less dictates that there's going to have to be one. The other is the body count using combines causes in small rodent and field animal population.
Clarification: They are only against slaughter when it is not PETA that is administering and executing the slaughter.
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We don't need to beat animals or force them into labor anymore, we have machines to do those tasks, so those animals are largely off the hook.
We totally have not replaced the bomb-sniffing dog and sheepdog with machines. Nor have we really replaced the guard dog, and the day we replace morale-boosting animals with machine replicas is the day after our souls have died.
To say nothing of the seeing eye dog. We're working on giving sight to the sightless, but we ain't there yet.
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Also it might stem from the idea that in the natural world humans cheat by using technology to trump other animals where normally we'd be the dinner.
If we didn't have technology we'd either be in the same place as chimps or just *be* chimps depending upon your school of thought, where it's only opportunistic crocs and Big Cats that would prey upon us.
Hardly so weak a position as you seem to believe.
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For all that PETA want us to become vegans, that sometimes just isn't possible for health reasons. I'm all for reducing meat consumption, but some people are just unable to go vegan for health reasons. That includes children and the elderly.
For all that PETA want us to become vegans, that sometimes just isn't possible for health reasons. I'm all for reducing meat consumption, but some people are just unable to go vegan for health reasons. That includes children and the elderly.
I know a guy who's allergic to chlorophyll. If he was a vegan, he'd have to eat potatoes and grains only.
Muscle density issues can arise from the vegan diet, I worked with one man who was vegan who could not lift 25 lbs. Now all said and done I have no issues with someone with a disability And I Can respect the lifestyle choice. But when he was expecting someone to be assigned to do all of his lifting...We began to have professional issues with keeping him employed productively.
I know there are ways to get the needed protein with out meat, But quite frankly for some people it does not work,
Clarification: They are only against slaughter when it is not PETA that is administering and executing the slaughter.
Right, I'm aware. It doesn't change the fact that a world view that expouses kindness to animals will, if they succeed in spreading their world view, endanger and outright slaughter tens of millions of animals. There are 15.8 billion chickens living on the planet as of 2002. What's going to happen to them? Cows? 1.8 Billion. Pigs? As of 2002 the Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN numbers them at almost a billion. It was to point out the hypocrisy of their position.
Shouldn't Nintendo be able to sue them? That's blatant copyright enfringement on their game right there. Not to mention they've done so little research as to what actually goes on in the games, especially considering the themes of the latest version.
Why does Peta thing animals deserve -more- rights than humans? I'm of the opinion that they deserve -equal- rights, but why -more-? Why does Peta hate humans?
If nintendo wanted to, you're right, they have a very solid copyright infringement case. They've also got a decent case for libel/slander (I'm never sure which one of those applies to video).
As for animal "rights" peta and a number of other people/organizations tend to forget that rights are A) a social construct that isn't even equal in idea between different cultures, much less different species, and B) a thing that comes paired with responsibilities. You wanna give rights to animals that are productive members of society, be my guest, but make them proportional to the responsibility those animals are saddled with. Animals that exist outside of society get their rights from the law of nature; survival of the fittest, no caveats, no exceptions.
And if peta tries to take away my meat, I'm going mideval on their collective asses. Nevermind the health concerns, they're infringing on my rights to enjoy a freakin' meal. I'll "self-defense" the SoB's into a bloody paste.
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If nintendo wanted to, you're right, they have a very solid copyright infringement case. They've also got a decent case for libel/slander (I'm never sure which one of those applies to video).
As for animal "rights" peta and a number of other people/organizations tend to forget that rights are A) a social construct that isn't even equal in idea between different cultures, much less different species, and B) a thing that comes paired with responsibilities. You wanna give rights
And if peta tries to take away my meat, I'm going mideval on their collective asses. Nevermind the health concerns, they're infringing on my rights to enjoy a freakin' meal. I'll "self-defense" the SoB's into a bloody paste.
^ This, just this. I don't hate on you for not-eating meat so leave me alone to enjoy my bloody steak in peace (pun not intended).
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Although Nintendo certainly has a case, I think it would be a bad thing for Nintendo to even give a cease-and-decist order. In my opinion, the more people become aware of PETA's insanity the better. If nothing else, the lets-plays should go viral.
You know, if PETA had their way, Australia would be buried under rabbits and toads, Great Brittan would also be buried under rabbits, and feral hogs would be having a field day out in the United States pasture and farmland.
Then consider that populations on isolated island nations would suffer from lack of protein due to not being allowed to consume fish, nations with large populations would suffer the same issues because of a lack of affordable protein from canned fish, farm raised chicken and the like; certain areas where people actually depend on rats as a major part of their diet would suffer...
Lastly there's the group of people who WILL NOT give up their meat. I am part of that group. If your take meat out of the supermarket I'll go get my own, plenty of white tail deer out in this part of the world, not to mention feral hogs. Will they take away my hunting rights? Over my cold, dead body they will.
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Although Nintendo certainly has a case, I think it would be a bad thing for Nintendo to even give a cease-and-decist order. In my opinion, the more people become aware of PETA's insanity the better. If nothing else, the lets-plays should go viral.
Agreed. The nintendo folk have better sense than to give that crap any creedance by acknowledging its existence anyway.
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[...] bringing Kelb in on your side in a rules fight is like bringing Mike Tyson in on your side to fight a toddler. You can, but it's such massive overkill.
Right, I'm aware. It doesn't change the fact that a world view that expouses kindness to animals will, if they succeed in spreading their world view, endanger and outright slaughter tens of millions of animals. There are 15.8 billion chickens living on the planet as of 2002. What's going to happen to them? Cows? 1.8 Billion. Pigs? As of 2002 the Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN numbers them at almost a billion. It was to point out the hypocrisy of their position.
Their only concern is with how to dispose of all of the bodies. I don't think they've managed to answer the question to their own satisfaction.
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I know a guy who's allergic to chlorphyll. If he was a vegan, he'd have to eat potatoes and grains only.
Huh, I'd have figured that'd be lethal allergy.
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Although Nintendo certainly has a case, I think it would be a bad thing for Nintendo to even give a cease-and-decist order. In my opinion, the more people become aware of PETA's insanity the better. If nothing else, the lets-plays should go viral.
I dunno, I think the game may be covered under fair use as is a "non-profit educational" work, although some may argue with the educational part
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As i've said, I would like to see the game stay around for one reason or another, mostly because 1: It's pretty much free advertising for B&W2 (negative publicity is better than no publicity,) and 2: It generates mockery for and undermines PETA, which is always a plus.
It's no different than when they released that super mario game about tanooki and the fur issue. I'm pretty sure all it served to do was make them a laughingstock, and spiked awareness and sales about the new super mario game for the 3DS.
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As for animal "rights" peta and a number of other people/organizations tend to forget that rights are A) a social construct that isn't even equal in idea between different cultures, much less different species, and B) a thing that comes paired with responsibilities.
They aren't a social construct if you buy into the idea of natural rights, which most of western civilization is based on. Animal rights is often associated with a utilitarian philosophy, which makes total sense if you follow it to its logical end.
If they have the right to not be harmed by humans, wouldn't they have the right to not be harmed by other animals?
Should a wolf be prosecuted for hunting down a fawn?
Should Mittens get the chair for devouring Squeaker?
Should maggots be charged with defiling a corpse?
Should our white blood cells be arrested for murder?
You take things to their logical conclusion, things get absurdum real fast.
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If they have the right to not be harmed by humans, wouldn't they have the right to not be harmed by other animals?
Should a wolf be prosecuted for hunting down a fawn?
Should Mittens get the chair for devouring Squeaker?
Should maggots be charged with defiling a corpse?
Should our white blood cells be arrested for murder?
You take things to their logical conclusion, things get absurdum real fast.
Nope, because apparently, humans are some abomination that disrupts the natural order of things, and the best we can do is all eat lab-grown nutrients while sitting in a space station so that we don't disturb the Earth.
The best part is, it's impossible to support a vegan lifestyle in a minimal-impact low-tech society, such as Native Americans (although the Cherokee were building walled settlements. Then again, their population was kept down because war was their favorite pastime). So to get to PETA's goal, we first have to invent all the stuff needed to leave the Earth. Oh, and we can't take any animals with us either, except maybe pets.
Nope, because apparently, humans are some abomination that disrupts the natural order of things, and the best we can do is all eat lab-grown nutrients while sitting in a space station so that we don't disturb the Earth.
The best part is, it's impossible to support a vegan lifestyle in a minimal-impact low-tech society, such as Native Americans (although the Cherokee were building walled settlements. Then again, their population was kept down because war was their favorite pastime). So to get to PETA's goal, we first have to invent all the stuff needed to leave the Earth. Oh, and we can't take any animals with us either, except maybe especially not pets.
Fixed that for you. IIRC, PETA's orthodoxy is that humans are virii and thus categorically immoral unless they buy into the movement.
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When it comes to PETA their philosophy is that the only animal that mankind should have anything to do with is itself and half of them feel that is too much as that makes more humans which is just as bad.
In other words it's unless you eat Vegan and are part of their little clique then you don't deserve to live no matter how much Rover seems to like you.
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"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
They aren't a social construct if you buy into the idea of natural rights, which most of western civilization is based on. Animal rights is often associated with a utilitarian philosophy, which makes total sense if you follow it to its logical end.
Natural rights? The only rights nature grants you are the right to kill and eat the creatures you're strong or clever enough to overcome, and the right to ultimately feed worms.
Everything else is man-made. You have whatever rights you have either because your government gives them to you, and hasn't pissed its populace off enough to cause a revolt, or from taking the rights you're willing and able to take for yourself by force, either individually or as part of an organization. The latter has been how most of the free world got the rights they have. If you don't believe me, read your people's constitution, if you have one, to a tornado or a bear that's bearing down on you, then come and tell us how it went.
Nature is an uncarring bastard that doesn't give two cp about your rights; see disease and disaster.
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[...] bringing Kelb in on your side in a rules fight is like bringing Mike Tyson in on your side to fight a toddler. You can, but it's such massive overkill.
Nature is an uncarring bastard that doesn't give two cp about your rights; see disease and disaster.
How true. Every sound you hear in the forest, every bird chirp or animal call is made by a cold terrified parasite ridden creatures half starved and desperate to get laid.
i've always suspected that peta was actually an elaborate effort to troll people.
it's a real shame too, because a lot of legitimate and respectable groups like the humane society suffer because of the stereotype PETA perpetuates.
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How true. Every sound you hear in the forest, every bird chirp or animal call is made by a cold terrified parasite ridden creatures half starved and desperate to get laid.
Let's be honest here; a lot of the noises humans make are because we're hungry and horny, too.
Of course, humans tend to be noisiest when we're drunk off our asses.
Natural rights? The only rights nature grants you are the right to kill and eat the creatures you're strong or clever enough to overcome, and the right to ultimately feed worms.
Everything else is man-made. You have whatever rights you have either because your government gives them to you, and hasn't pissed its populace off enough to cause a revolt, or from taking the rights you're willing and able to take for yourself by force, either individually or as part of an organization. The latter has been how most of the free world got the rights they have. If you don't believe me, read your people's constitution, if you have one, to a tornado or a bear that's bearing down on you, then come and tell us how it went.
Nature is an uncarring bastard that doesn't give two cp about your rights; see disease and disaster.
I could argue this but.. board rules. Anyway.
I'm kinda shocked that this has gotten six pages of comments. PETA isn't worth the brainbytes.
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