And Issomi will respond to that as soon as he has enough AP to do something about it (i.e., tomorrow at eleven). Actually, I want the moon guard to be something like Talos - how might I make that happen? I'm thinking it would fall under some sort of monument, but I'm not sure how it would do combat...
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THIS aberrant, ancient evil ain't no playa! I'm gonna take care of my little Meduthids and my Spawnling Mama! Besides which--the Old Ones know the Elder Brain keeps pestering me about giving it some Grandspawnlings...
Dimonite, you may want to go over to Omnigenesis and have a look at Halcyon. And then consider the fact that it took two gods, pouring almost all of their AP into it for a month, to make it capable of standing up to other gods. Just...a point
Also, will have post up tomorrow when the mystical rollover comes. The Plans doth cometh.
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C'nor I have some questions/comments about your sudden influx of Relics/Cosmic Decree, which I've put inside the quote as bolded text.
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Starting AP: 30
Cosmic Decree - Worldright (-5 AP): Planes may not be directly altered by a deity other than their creator without the permission of said creator, unless the creator is dead, the plane abandoned, or they pay a toll of [-1/2 Health until the end of their next combat + (amount of AP to be expended on the change)]. This overrules Osramus's decree. Does this include the mortal plane? Because that's Joika's. Which means that technically any act of creation on the mortal plane done by any god costs them half their HP in their next fight. Does the Toll AP mean that it effectively doubles the AP cost of any act on a plane?
Create Relic - The Mask of Chaos (-4 AP): The left half of a two-piece mask, this relic renders its wearer immune to the Eye of Acalhatar, by, effectively, making a blind spot in it. (+1d6 Defense) Your mask makes you immune to a 5 AP monument and gives you a bonus to defense? That strikes me as being overpowered.
Create Relic - The Mask of Confusion (-4 AP): The right half of a two piece mask, this relic makes it extraordinarily difficult to concentrate upon the wearer if they do not wish you to. (+1d6 Attack) I'm not sure how to roleplay this one, is whoever attacks Kansheri supposed to roleplay the being confused part?
Create Relic - The Cloak of False Dreams (-4 AP): A great black cloak, with a pair of gloves at the ends of the sleeves, and a deep hood, the Cloak of False Dreams provides immunity to all scrying effects. (It also, despite the somewhat specific description, adapts to the physiology of the wearer, allowing any deity to use it comfortably.) (+1d6 Defense)Immunity to all scrying effects, does that include abilities a la Cloak of Shadows? If so, how can you justify also getting a bonus to defense for only 4 AP
Uhhh... How in the heck can you overrule my decree? I call bull****.
Edit: I'm quite tempted to make a cosmic decree that makes it impossible to restrict the actions of gods with cosmic decrees.
Besides, decrees shouldn't have OOC effects (loss of AP and such) they just change something about the setting.
My point is, if you want to be exempt from the decree, it should be the same cost as any other decree, you can't add on extra punishments.
This goes for cursing and blessing gods as well. If I had my way the only way to weaken a god would be through combat. (you could curse them afterwards, but you have to win first.)
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Kansheri's no manipulation decree apparently retroactively prevents the sun from burning across all of existence. Needless to say I find that insane. If people don't want the sun to shine, they can spend the AP to exempt themselves (though I'd prefer there to be an IC reason, like the dimension is underground or surrounded in mist or something.)
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- Cosmic Decree: Cosmic Decree allows the gods to say something about the universe, and have it be true. These things are the things about Reality that just ARE. You can use Cosmic Decree to say that all Teleportation, no matter what source, touches upon a certain plane, even if only for a split second. You could decree that all living things have immortal souls. You could say what happens after death, perhaps there is an afterlife, or maybe death is truly the end, and nothing exists afterwards for mortal beings. You can decide that gravity doesn't exist or that it works in reverse. You may decide that Karma is an actual thing and that the universe truly does reward the good and punish the wicked as a simple FACT. A god may only use a Cosmic Decree action depending on their rank, refer to the chart on divine ranks. Other gods MAY NOT challenge your cosmic decree, unless they make a decree themselves, BUT ANY god may allow their creations to escape a specific Cosmic Decree by using a Scourge/Boon action. A god may rescind a Cosmic Decree they announced at any time for free, but they must spend 5 AP to regain the use of that Cosmic Decree.
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Xulos (Lesser) hands down his first cosmic decree (5 AP) grabbing every soul ever and taking them to hell. Zalsaram (Fledgling) uses a boon action (3 AP) to make it so that every mortal under his control goes to heaven. End result: Every mortal who is not under Zalsaram's control goes to hell, every mortal under Zalsaram's control goes to Heaven. Xulos may not use a cosmic decree again until he ascends.
Isanloff (Greater) hands down his first cosmic decree (5AP) creating Karma. Kiloasa (Fledgling) responds by using his one and only Cosmic Decree obliterating Karma (5AP). Isanloff uses his second Cosmic decree (5AP) to reinstate Karma (5AP). Kiloasa responds by giving all mortals under his control a boon action (3 AP) saying they do not fall under Karma. End result both Isanloff and Kiloasa can't use a cosmic decree again until they ascend. All mortals except those under Kiloasa's control are guided by Karma.
According to the text, there are two ways to overrule a cosmic decree:
1. Expend a cosmic decree that specifically counteracts another's cosmic decree. That's all that cosmic decree can do, nothing else.
2. Buy yourself/your creations out of the Cosmic Decree for 3 AP (6 AP total 3 for you, 3 for your stuff).
My concern is the relics that basically grant an ability/counter a 5 AP monument (5 AP) and grant a combat bonus (4 AP). So effectively 9 AP for 4 AP. I'm fine with one or the other (sorta, I still don't think 4 AP should be able to counter 5 AP, that seems nonsensical) but definitely not both.
- Divine Covenant: Your deity makes a sacred covenant with a certain race. The god takes the race under his metaphorical wing, while the race begins to exclusively worship that said god. This is more than simply presiding over that race.., that race takes on some of your gods characteristics and your god takes some of theirs. Adverse AP actions by other gods over a member or members of a presided race cost 1 AP more. Individuals or certain groups of the race can break this covenant and if so, they are no longer under the protection of their god. Think In D&D with the Always Chaotic Evil, Lolth Worshipping Drow; Drizzt became a Chaotic Good Hero who reviled his society and slew his former brethren. (Members of a race that are under a divine covenant have an additional +2 combat bonus as well as the ability to use any concept)
It's a way to prevent someone from taking control of your race away from you, boosting their combat effectiveness and making it so they only worship you.
Normally, anyone can just make a create Society action with any race (or races) to make a group that worhsips them. With a divine covenant in place, that becomes a lot harder to do.
And while you're here, I think Joita has already done a cosmic decree afterlife thing...which doesn't send them to another plane. Does your Gehenna 'overide' her thing or...?
And while you're here, I think Joita has already done a cosmic decree afterlife thing...which doesn't send them to another plane. Does your Gehenna 'overide' her thing or...?
Mynxae told me that Joika hadn't done anything like that yet, and we discussed it over PM so I think I'm good.
According to the text, there are two ways to overrule a cosmic decree:
1. Expend a cosmic decree that specifically counteracts another's cosmic decree. That's all that cosmic decree can do, nothing else.
2. Buy yourself/your creations out of the Cosmic Decree for 3 AP (6 AP total 3 for you, 3 for your stuff).
My concern is the relics that basically grant an ability/counter a 5 AP monument (5 AP) and grant a combat bonus (4 AP). So effectively 9 AP for 4 AP. I'm fine with one or the other (sorta, I still don't think 4 AP should be able to counter 5 AP, that seems nonsensical) but definitely not both.
Cosmic Decree - You can create a Cosmic Decree that specifically counteracts another, yes. Although blocking the suns light to every other plane seems a bit much. Perhaps to planes of Kansheri's creation?
Relics - I agree with ET. You have to choose one or the other. Not both. One is powerful enough but both? No way.
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Can the moonguards be cat-people? I wanna make cat-people, plus there's some extra fun to be had there if they're on the moon.
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THIS aberrant, ancient evil ain't no playa! I'm gonna take care of my little Meduthids and my Spawnling Mama! Besides which--the Old Ones know the Elder Brain keeps pestering me about giving it some Grandspawnlings...
Can the moonguards be cat-people? I wanna make cat-people, plus there's some extra fun to be had there if they're on the moon.
HT and I've been discussing in PM that it'd be better if each deity of the Divine Houses made their own race for it, but still make them all under the same Divine Covenant.. Which now I think of it, may be difficult to work.
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Ahh Kyth'ra... A knight of such honour and virtue, not to mention suppressed homicidal rage.
Can the moonguards be cat-people? I wanna make cat-people, plus there's some extra fun to be had there if they're on the moon.
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HT and I've been discussing in PM that it'd be better if each deity of the Divine Houses made their own race for it, but still make them all under the same Divine Covenant.. Which now I think of it, may be difficult to work.
I thought we were going to make psionic incarnations of our mortals after they died and use those as our guards =/ those could still be cat-people
Also, why were you only pming ME when we've got a lot more than just Volk and Joika in the Houses?
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HT and I've been discussing in PM that it'd be better if each deity of the Divine Houses made their own race for it, but still make them all under the same Divine Covenant.. Which now I think of it, may be difficult to work.
Well, you'd need a minimum of:
5 AP Cosmic Decree (Allow Divine Covenants to apply to a Pantheon & affect multiple races at once)
5 AP Divine Covenant
min. 2 AP Race
min. 2 AP Race
min. 2 AP Race
min. 2 AP Race
5 AP beget Demigod
5 AP beget Demigod
5 AP beget Demigod
5 AP beget Demigod
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Min 38 AP for 4 2d6 demigods
or 30 AP if you use already created races
or 25 if MODs rule that Divine Covenants can be applied to Pantheons/multiple races at once without the need for a Cosmic Decree.
And you might want to put some pretty hefty restrictions on how your Cosmic Decree works, otherwise someone could just go "5 AP Divine Covenant with all races that don't already have a Divine Covenant"
I thought we were going to make psionic incarnations of our mortals after they died and use those as our guards =/ those could still be cat-people
Also, why were you only pming ME when we've got a lot more than just Volk and Joika in the Houses?
Because it was your idea? Silly!
Perhaps the same race of psionic ascended people, but they form their own 'tribes' if you will that alter their form?
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Well, you'd need a minimum of:
5 AP Cosmic Decree (Allow Divine Covenants to apply to a Pantheon & affect multiple races at once)
5 AP Divine Covenant
min. 2 AP Race
min. 2 AP Race
min. 2 AP Race
min. 2 AP Race
5 AP beget Demigod
5 AP beget Demigod
5 AP beget Demigod
5 AP beget Demigod
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Min 38 AP for 4 2d6 demigods
or 30 AP if you use already created races
or 25 if MODs rule that Divine Covenants can be applied to Pantheons/multiple races at once without the need for a Cosmic Decree.
And you might want to put some pretty hefty restrictions on how your Cosmic Decree works, otherwise someone could just go "5 AP Divine Covenant with all races that don't already have a Divine Covenant"
Holy cow... (*moo*!) Perhaps intricate wording?
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"My own daughter surpassing me in power! How could it be!"
By two ranks now. Gah.
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Weave Sanctum (Fate): 6 - 3 = 3 AP
The weave of Fate itself become a Sanctum for Ceryna.
Gain Domain (Protection [Maternal]): 3 - 3 = 0 AP
Ceryna is now a Greater Deity
Um. That should be 1 + 6 + 1. The Godly Court doesn't have 6 members anymore, so you only get one AP from it.
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THIS aberrant, ancient evil ain't no playa! I'm gonna take care of my little Meduthids and my Spawnling Mama! Besides which--the Old Ones know the Elder Brain keeps pestering me about giving it some Grandspawnlings...
Um. That should be 1 + 6 + 1. The Godly Court doesn't have 6 members anymore, so you only get one AP from it.
Ah...hmmm.
@Eco, would Kaosu be willing to part with a little power to have a the Pattern itself become a Sanctum for herself and her mother?
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A little late, but 'dead' god's creations are fair game right?
Depends on what they're associated with, but usually their fair game. Like if it was the Dark Elves, Kansheri and Joika might object. Or we may not. /shrugs
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Joika's going to make a response to that so don't worry Eco. Just need to work something else out with ET..
could just go "5 AP Divine Covenant with all races that don't already have a Divine Covenant"
Like if it was the Dark Elves, Kansheri and Joika might object. Or we may not. /shrugs
