Let's vote up another Burning Wheel Character!

[Xefas]

To elaborate on the Grey Shade thing. In Burning Wheel, you roll d6s, and 4-5-6 is a success, while 1-2-3 is a failure.

Your stats represent skill and experience, typically. So, having a 1 in your sword-using stat means you've done it so little that you're a novice, effectively. Having a 6 in your sword-using stat means you're a master swordsman.

There are caps on your stats, however, so, unlike D&D, it's possible to just become the best swordsman it is ever possible for a human to be. At some point. There's no "Get to Epic Level", where the BAB just keeps going up.

Or, rather there sort of is, which is where Grey Shade comes in. It means that your basic nature has transcended the normal limitations of mortality. You can still be a Swordsman 1, which means you're a novice, but if you're a Grey Swordsman 1, you're a novice, you don't know a lot about swordsmanship, but your nature and potential are that of a tiny demigod of swordsmanship. With a little training, you'll be able to match the greatest human swordsman. With the same training as him, you'll defeat him trivially.

Mechanically, when you roll a Grey Stat, you get successes on a 3, 4, 5, or 6, and a failure on a 1 or 2. See the difference? Way better. Not to mention that, not to go into the advancement rules too much, but a Grey Stat allows us to advance ourselves with less risk involved.

(There is also the potential to get a White Stat, where you get successes on a 2-6. Think of the Exalted, or a Planeswalker, or something - where even stuff you suck at, you still perform with supernatural grace and perfection.)

Having a Grey Will, for instance, would make us brutal in Social Combat. Intimidation, for one, builds off Will, so if we wanted to be, say, the scariest mother around (like a tiny burning demigod of scariness), then a Grey Will is where to go.

[Spamotron]

I vote for Grey Perception > Will

Then

1. Agility (Grey)
2. Speed
3. Forte
4. Power

Everybody thinks of Orcs as dumb bruisers who just overpower their opponents. I like our girl as a brilliant, wickedly skilled and fast warrior who tears apart her enemies with superior tactics and technique.

[Zelphas]

I'd go with Grey Will>Perception for mental stats.

For physical stats, I'd say:

1. Grey Forte. Hey. She's a Great One III without a scratch.
2. Speed
3. Power
4. Agility

[Sith_Happens]

Originally Posted by Zelphas

I'd go with Grey Will>Perception for mental stats.

For physical stats, I'd say:

1. Grey Forte. Hey. She's a Great One III without a scratch.
2. Speed
3. Power
4. Agility

As above for me.

[Amphetryon]

Originally Posted by Sanguine

Mostly Even Mental Stats, Grey-Will>Perception

1)Toughness
2)Speed
3)Power
4)Agility

And let's Grey-Shade Physical as well.

This. So much this.

[Sodalite]

Originally Posted by Zelphas

I'd go with Grey Will>Perception for mental stats.

For physical stats, I'd say:

1. Grey Forte. Hey. She's a Great One III without a scratch.
2. Speed
3. Power
4. Agility

I'm going to agree with this set up as well.

[Fenix_of_Doom]

Mental: Mostly Even High Stats, Grey-Will>Perception

Physical: No greys
Strength
Toughness
Speed
Agility

[The Glyphstone]

Originally Posted by Zelphas

I'd go with Grey Will>Perception for mental stats.

For physical stats, I'd say:

1. Grey Forte. Hey. She's a Great One III without a scratch.
2. Speed
3. Power
4. Agility

Bandwagons are fun!

[Amphetryon]

Originally Posted by The Glyphstone

Bandwagons are fun!

Everyone says so!

[CarpeGuitarrem]

Originally Posted by Amphetryon

Everyone says so!

Everyone I know thinks bandwagons are totally mainstream.

[Fenix_of_Doom]

Originally Posted by CarpeGuitarrem

Everyone I know thinks bandwagons are totally mainstream.

I'm with the anti-bandwagon movement myself, but somehow we never seem to get anything organised.

[Knaight]

Grey Perception > Will

1. Grey Agility
2. Speed
3. Forte
4. Power

Basically, I want really good reflexes, and grey stats.

[Acanous]

Is it possible to buy a white stat at this time? 0.o

Dumping everything else and going White Forte might actually be a thing. A very funny thing.

[Totally Guy]

Originally Posted by Acanous

Is it possible to buy a white stat at this time? 0.o

I'm away from my book right now but I don't think that's an option in Gold.

[Analysis]

I agree with Grey Will and Forte.

Also with both seven mothers in law, and likewise seven hateful children.

Basically, she has this clan of evil orcs who hate her. Every day is a struggle to dominate them, one test at a time. And she keeps succeeding, one test at a time.

[CarpeGuitarrem]

Okay! Voting is now closed, with one exception.

First, here's our mental stats...

G7 Will, B6 Perception (which are brutally awesome, higher than any puny human stats, that's for sure)

Our physical stats are prioritized as such:
Forte
Speed
Power
Agility

Now, cast your votes for which stat should be grey (an overwhelming majority)! It by no means has to be the highest one. (I know some of you have already cast votes, but only about half of the people have...and having a set priority may change your vote.)

This time, I'll just ask you to pick a top stat and a runner-up.

[Fenix_of_Doom]

I'd actually would have preferred if we'd just moved along as I can guess forte will win, but hey it's your topic so I'll just be patient.

Nominees for greyness(<----awesome word IMHO)
Power
Forte

[Siegel]

For anyone who had fun with Burning Wheel Style Char Gen - you should definitely check out how it is done in Mouse Guard. It's more simple but really focused.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...0#post14158280

[Sodalite]

I will reiterate that I vote for Forte to be grey.

[CarpeGuitarrem]

Originally Posted by Fenix_of_Doom

I'd actually would have preferred if we'd just moved along as I can guess forte will win, but hey it's your topic so I'll just be patient.

Well (besides the fact that I don't currently have access to my lovely copy of BWG), there's only been four or five votes cast towards a particular stat, I believe. (Could be off on the count, though.) So, there is a chance that any of the stats could win.

[The Glyphstone]

Grey Forte
Power

[Siegel]

Originally Posted by The Glyphstone

Grey Forte
Power

sounds right! I vote that too.

[Amphetryon]

Originally Posted by The Glyphstone

Grey Forte
Power

As has been established, bandwagons are fun!

[CarpeGuitarrem]

Now that the bandwagon's started, I have a suspicion as to the outcome at this point.

[Zelphas]

Originally Posted by The Glyphstone

Grey Forte
Power

Sticking with this. For sure.

[Xefas]

The thing that scares me? The thing that truly terrifies me? A Burning Wheel character with G6 Forte might actually be able to take a hit without crumpling into a pile of sobbing gore.

That's something humans never get to look forward to.

[Siegel]

Originally Posted by Xefas

The thing that scares me? The thing that truly terrifies me? A Burning Wheel character with G6 Forte might actually be able to take a hit without crumpling into a pile of sobbing gore.

That's something humans never get to look forward to.

Humans get better armor... If you make a Character with a few more lifepath, especially in the military lifepaths you can get rather scary i think...

[Sanguine]

All aboard the Bandwagon! Grey Forte

[Fenix_of_Doom]

Originally Posted by CarpeGuitarrem

Well (besides the fact that I don't currently have access to my lovely copy of BWG), there's only been four or five votes cast towards a particular stat, I believe. (Could be off on the count, though.) So, there is a chance that any of the stats could win.

I agree it's more fair this way, but with my amazing powers of observation I saw this band wagon coming from a mile away.

Don't worry though, I'm patient, I do comment on stuff I disagree with or don't like, but I'm not actually bothered by it or anything.

[Analysis]

I want on the bandwagon too!