[FO:E] Fallout Equestria OOC 2: Ante-Up My Little Ponies

[Lycan 01]

Originally Posted by Dark Elf Bard

Naah, his cousn is gonna protect the **** outta him.

Against an alicorn?

Uhhhh... I hope you know what you're up against. Does your new character even have a profile?

[Dark Elf Bard]

Making it now.

[Tychris1]

Originally Posted by Lycan 01

Against an alicorn?

Uhhhh... I hope you know what you're up against. Does your new character even have a profile?

Well, her corpse could stop the Alicorn's beam of magical death for maybe 1 second before it pierces through and snipes Elestre. Heroic Sacrifices are alot less heroic when your up against mini eldritch abominations.

[Luka]

Pff, Anoma's just giving the Unity good publicity now.... Well, it would be if other non-believers were even seeing her.... Which I guess would make her meeting Gleamy all the more interesting

Also, now I'm confused about the NA stuff.... There's alicorns and slavers going to siege the town? or they're just going to look for the party?

[Lycan 01]

Originally Posted by Luka

Pff, Anoma's just giving the Unity good publicity now.... Well, it would be if other non-believers were even seeing her.... Which I guess would make her meeting Gleamy all the more interesting

Also, now I'm confused about the NA stuff.... There's alicorns and slavers going to siege the town? or they're just going to look for the party?

There's at least one alicorn somewhere outside the town demanding that the folks who attack Old Appleloosa come out and surrender. If they don't, or if the town tries to protect them, then Red Eye will remove his protection from New Appleloosa. Which means alicorns, slavers, raiders, and who knows what else will eventually come attack.

Basically, if the "heroes" don't come out one way or another, Old Appleloosa is probably screwed.



Edit: Oh, and just a heads up. Most of the folks in New Appleloosa won't hesitate to sell out the heroes if it means protecting their families from the wrath of the Goddess and Red Eye. So, uh, don't expect much help from them... If anything, I'd be worried about the town guards.

[Benson]

Alrighty, where are each of the ponies that the voice of the Goddess is trying to get to surrender themselves?

Are they in view? Who would could be seen by a townsponies by chance?

[Luka]

Originally Posted by Benson

Alrighty, where are each of the ponies that the voice of the Goddess is trying to get to surrender themselves?

Are they in view? Who would could be seen by a townsponies by chance?

I guess Luka would be, and maybe Elestre too, not so sure about Finder and DEB's character isn't one, but is talking to Elestre

[PurityIcekiller]

You know, I think I need to find some way to fit Blades into this setting. Transcribing accents is fun.

[MCerberus]

Finder's going to be slinking out very shortly. Everypony knows you just run from alicorns.

[Luka]

Originally Posted by MCerberus

Finder's going to be slinking out very shortly. Everypony knows you just run from alicorns.

Luka doesn't, he's been kind of literally been living under a rock and doesn't know about alicorns/the enclave/Red Eye/some others, he just knows a bit about Steel Rangers because of Lamia, but more than that, not much.

*reads Benson's post*
...Wait, now banned from the town? .... It could be reversed, couldn't it?

[Lycan 01]

LilPip, the main character of Fallout: Equestria, got banned from New Appleloosa for pretty much the same thing. New Appleloosa was quite pissed off about her attacking Old Appleloosa, due to the problems it was cause them with Red Eye. Not only did y'all do the same thing, but now there is an angry alicorn threatening death and destruction.

I'd say they've got good reason to ban you, and probably worse. Getting unbanned is... unlikely.

[Benson]

Originally Posted by Luka

Luka doesn't, he's been kind of literally been living under a rock and doesn't know about alicorns/the enclave/Red Eye/some others, he just knows a bit about Steel Rangers because of Lamia, but more than that, not much.

*reads Benson's post*
...Wait, now banned from the town? .... It could be reversed, couldn't it?

Originally Posted by Lycan 01

LilPip, the main character of Fallout: Equestria, got banned from New Appleloosa for pretty much the same thing. New Appleloosa was quite pissed off about her attacking Old Appleloosa, due to the problems it was cause them with Red Eye. Not only did y'all do the same thing, but now there is an angry alicorn threatening death and destruction.

I'd say they've got good reason to ban you, and probably worse. Getting unbanned is... unlikely.

Exactly.

However, like with Little Pip, you lot may still be able to trade with Ditzy outside the towngates. I'll bring that up later.

So yea, banishment from town is the right response, since ya'll did pretty much the same thing...except not free any slaves. Err.

[TheAmishPirate]

Random thought: If somepony like Anoma was able to sit Fleetwing down and explain Unity in a diplomatic sense, I'm finding it hard to imagine scenarios where he'd say no. No more fear, no more running, just eternal safety and security. It's pretty much everything he's ever wanted.

The tricky part would be getting him to stop wetting himself in stark-raving terror and actually listen up.

[Rebonack]

Unity needs better PR =I

The problem is that when they play nice they usually get shot. So the Goddess usually just sticks to taking ponies by force whether they like it or not.

To be fair, look at what the Goddess and Red Eye want. What happens if they win?

If Red Eye were to win then within a few generations at most Equestria's infrastructure would be rebuilt. The Everfree would be leveled meaning that there's now soil and water that is radiation free to build anew on. Equestria would have a very real chance of recovering. Red Eye and his pegasus and unicorn counterpart now control the sun, moon, and weather. Equestria can return to its old ways.

If the Goddess were to win then everypony would become part of Unity. Radiation and Taint would no longer be a problem and ponykind would be among the nastiest critters in the Wasteland. Few would dare mess with them. With her mission accomplished the Goddess could slacken her control on her children so they can live more or less as normal (for alicorns) ponies and begin to rebuild. Because all ponies are of Unity conflict between ponies would basically be non-existent.

Both sound like pretty good end-goals, right?

The only problems is that both Red Eye and the Goddess are doing terrible things to accomplish them.

[Luka]

Originally Posted by Benson

Exactly.

However, like with Little Pip, you lot may still be able to trade with Ditzy outside the towngates. I'll bring that up later.

So yea, banishment from town is the right response, since ya'll did pretty much the same thing...except not free any slaves. Err.

... And that is why it sucks... Because he didn't get any win from it (even lost his 10mm pistol) and is kind of not worth getting banned .... Fraking Lamia

(Just kidding, in case you though I was dissapproving)

Originally Posted by Rebonack

Unity needs better PR =I

The problem is that when they play nice they usually get shot. So the Goddess usually just sticks to taking ponies by force whether they like it or not.

To be fair, look at what the Goddess and Red Eye want. What happens if they win?

If Red Eye were to win then within a few generations at most Equestria's infrastructure would be rebuilt. The Everfree would be leveled meaning that there's now soil and water that is radiation free to build anew on. Equestria would have a very real chance of recovering. Red Eye and his pegasus and unicorn counterpart now control the sun, moon, and weather. Equestria can return to its old ways.

If the Goddess were to win then everypony would become part of Unity. Radiation and Taint would no longer be a problem and ponykind would be among the nastiest critters in the Wasteland. Few would dare mess with them. With her mission accomplished the Goddess could slacken her control on her children so they can live more or less as normal (for alicorns) ponies and begin to rebuild. Because all ponies are of Unity conflict between ponies would basically be non-existent.

Both sound like pretty good end-goals, right?

The only problems is that both Red Eye and the Goddess are doing terrible things to accomplish them.

Well.... That just puts them into an "Utopia justifies the means" spot.... Which is still pretty much villainous

Though I wonder if Red Eye would know that Luka's technically "a foal" too, I mean... He does all that so "their children lived somewhere better" right? But I guess he doesn't count

Also

Spoiler

Alicorns can't reproduce yet since they're all female and unifying all ponykind would lead to extintion, and when Littlepip tells the goddess about it, she doesn't care, she still would control what's left of it.
Even the Master is driven to suicide when he's told that, and as far I know, he had similar goals

[PurityIcekiller]

Huh. Well, it's ultimately a noble goal. The problem is that those trying to carry it out are a complete monster and... Well, whatever the Goddess is, it's clear that she's not exactly a nice type.

Of course, some of my characters have kind of nasty world domination schemes too, so I can't judge them too harshly, but at least they don't back it up by, say, strapping foals to themselves.

[Chaotic Bob]

One of the Goddess' prime goals is discovering the secret to male alicorns.

So Unification wouldn't be damnation, as she would intend to have solved that issue before it was too far gone.

[BladeofObliviom]

Originally Posted by Rebonack

Unity needs better PR =I

The problem is that when they play nice they usually get shot. So the Goddess usually just sticks to taking ponies by force whether they like it or not.

To be fair, look at what the Goddess and Red Eye want. What happens if they win?

If Red Eye were to win then within a few generations at most Equestria's infrastructure would be rebuilt. The Everfree would be leveled meaning that there's now soil and water that is radiation free to build anew on. Equestria would have a very real chance of recovering. Red Eye and his pegasus and unicorn counterpart now control the sun, moon, and weather. Equestria can return to its old ways.

If the Goddess were to win then everypony would become part of Unity. Radiation and Taint would no longer be a problem and ponykind would be among the nastiest critters in the Wasteland. Few would dare mess with them. With her mission accomplished the Goddess could slacken her control on her children so they can live more or less as normal (for alicorns) ponies and begin to rebuild. Because all ponies are of Unity conflict between ponies would basically be non-existent.

Both sound like pretty good end-goals, right?

The only problems is that both Red Eye and the Goddess are doing terrible things to accomplish them.

EDIT: A lot of this is kinda spoilery, so I should probably spoiler it.

Spoiler

To be fair though, those are sort of best-case scenarios.

Red Eye's victory might create a new Equestria, mostly built upon the ruins of the Everfree, but then you would have the rest of the place still a radioactive ruin, and unless I'm grotesquely underestimating the size of the Everfree forest there is no possible way that the farmland there could feed everypony and their descendants, especially if factories and such are built over the Everfree as well.

Further, even if he somehow managed to rebuild, retaking control of the skies would absolutely force the Enclave to act, and if the events of Chapter 43 are any indication, I have my doubts as to whether or not Red Eye's tiny, fledgling industrial empire could actually stand against them; Even after all of the damage done to the Enclave's war effort by the main characters, as well as Lion+Mouse destroying a Raptor and broadcasting the Canterlot Death-Static over the Enclave Comms, a relatively small fraction of the Enclave's military STILL effectively wiped the forest floor with Red Eye's Fortress at Stable 101. The only thing that even really gave them pause was the Cyborg Dragon, and they killed that with only minor losses. Alicorns were a threat, but a relatively minor one, and even Red Eye as a new God likely would not be able to defeat the full force of the Enclave without the aid of other Wasteland factions.

Even if he somehow did win, it would quite likely be a Pyrrhic victory.


And that's ignoring the potential that he just goes mad with power and continues his methods even when they're no longer necessary.


As for the Goddess, even that scenario is most certainly an Esoteric happy ending, given that Free Will and independent thought have still been largely abolished. I could actually buy the Goddess winning against the Enclave, since the number of Alicorns would easily outnumber Enclave Pegasi by a drastic margin, and even individually they have a distinct magical and physical advantage.

Still, this doesn't account for all those living things in the Wasteland that are most certainly not Ponies, and thus cannot be properly added to Unity. Ghouls also get a raw deal, since, if we're allowed to use normal Fallout info in the absence of data from the fic, they cannot be converted.

Also, I somehow doubt that the Goddess would come up with the idea to use Killing Joke on her Alicorns to change their gender.

Note that this is a few minutes of just letting ideas fall out (see what I did there?) and thus much of it may be complete bunk.

[Lycan 01]

Originally Posted by Luka

... And that is why it sucks... Because he didn't get any win from it (even lost his 10mm pistol) and is kind of not worth getting banned .... Fraking Lamia

(Just kidding, in case you though I was dissapproving)



Well.... That just puts them into an "Utopia justifies the means" spot.... Which is still pretty much villainous

Though I wonder if Red Eye would know that Luka's technically "a foal" too, I mean... He does all that so "their children lived somewhere better" right? But I guess he doesn't count

Also

Spoiler

Alicorns can't reproduce yet since they're all female and unifying all ponykind would lead to extintion, and when Littlepip tells the goddess about it, she doesn't care, she still would control what's left of it.
Even the Master is driven to suicide when he's told that, and as far I know, he had similar goals

Actually, if y'all had won in Old Appleloosa and freed the slaves, you would have still been banned from New Appleloosa, since you wiped out one of their major trade partners and protectors, and brought Red Eye's wrath in their direction.


And if Luka is technically a foal, he shouldn't get in too much trouble if/when Red Eye discovers this.


Oh, and as for the spoiler box thing... Uh... There are some solutions to that. Best not to get into that right now, though.

[Luka]

Originally Posted by Lycan 01

Actually, if y'all had won in Old Appleloosa and freed the slaves, you would have still been banned from New Appleloosa, since you wiped out one of their major trade partners and protectors, and brought Red Eye's wrath in their direction.

But at least rescued slaves and stopped slavers! completely worth getting banned!... I think. That's kind of what I meant

And if Luka is technically a foal, he shouldn't get in too much trouble if/when Red Eye discovers this.

Oh, he's 14, so I think he's a colt, and colts are technically foals, aren't they?

[Tychris1]

Utopia justifies the means is a completely understandable measure in my opinion (Especially when you consider the circumstances of post apocolyptic wasteland). Heck, I felt more sympathy to Red Eye and the Goddess then Lilpip considering all she did was roam around shooting things to death and being a careless bomb of destruction for anything too important. Atleast Red Eye tried to build something instead of loot or shoot every problem.

[Luka]

Originally Posted by Tychris1

Utopia justifies the means is a completely understandable measure in my opinion (Especially when you consider the circumstances of post apocolyptic wasteland). Heck, I felt more sympathy to Red Eye and the Goddess then Lilpip considering all she did was roam around shooting things to death and being a careless bomb of destruction for anything too important. Atleast Red Eye tried to build something instead of loot or shoot every problem.

Eh... Not much for me, means are as important as the ends, they both screw things up there, and their "building" destroys other things
Heh, Lilpip pwning problems would make me just like her more, more action and baddies getting pwned ....
Or like the conversation with Boone:

Spoiler

Boone: We're coming up on Nelson. I'm going to kill every Legion in there if that's not a problem.
Courier: That's not a problem. That's a solution.
Boone: Right it is. That's what we are. A couple of problem solvers.

Though I find it better when they do Mook Face turns too

To me, it seemsto me kind of Red Eye is kind of like Ashur, and I'm not really fond of "End/Utopia Justifies the means" characters.

[BladeofObliviom]

Originally Posted by Tychris1

Utopia justifies the means is a completely understandable measure in my opinion (Especially when you consider the circumstances of post apocolyptic wasteland). Heck, I felt more sympathy to Red Eye and the Goddess then Lilpip considering all she did was roam around shooting things to death and being a careless bomb of destruction for anything too important. Atleast Red Eye tried to build something instead of loot or shoot every problem.

Littlepip sort of gets a break on this because her Goal WASN'T to (re)build anything. Once she'd learned enough about the wasteland to really even establish a goal, it was more along the lines of

Spoiler

Igniting hope in Ponies to help bring out their virtues, neutralize the groups that overall were mainly spreading misery, bring hope to the Wasteland by breaking the cloud barrier and letting the Sun shine again, and finally using Gardens of Equestria to eradicate the wasteland entirely in favor of a revitalized world.

EDIT: Red Eye is about as close to Ashur as the setting comes, with just a dash of President Eden. Ironically the actual Enclave is a little like Fallout 2's version, but without being totally genocidal.

[Lycan 01]

Originally Posted by BladeofObliviom

Littlepip sort of gets a break on this because her Goal WASN'T to (re)build anything. Once she'd learned enough about the wasteland to really even establish a goal, it was more along the lines of

Spoiler

Igniting hope in Ponies to help bring out their virtues, neutralize the groups that overall were mainly spreading misery, bring hope to the Wasteland by breaking the cloud barrier and letting the Sun shine again, and finally using Gardens of Equestria to eradicate the wasteland entirely in favor of a revitalized world.

Spoiler

Spoiler

And how many pegasi died when the cloud barrier broke, either from the resulting civil war, or from the starvation brought about by their crop "fields" being vastly reduced?

LilPip ain't a saint...

[BladeofObliviom]

Originally Posted by Lycan 01

Spoiler

Spoiler

And how many pegasi died when the cloud barrier broke, either from the resulting civil war, or from the starvation brought about by their crop "fields" being vastly reduced?

LilPip ain't a saint...

Spoiler

A lot less than would have died if the Wasteland continued to exist forever, that's for sure.

She may not be a Saint, but she's hardly on the same level as Red Eye or the Goddess. The simple fact is that there was no ending to this story that wouldn't involve immense pain. She merely chose the one with the best end result. I suppose she had something of an unfair advantage, though, given that Red Eye didn't know about GoE and the Goddess didn't care.

As a side note, the Pegasus population was actually fairly small. In fact, if Project Horizons is to be trusted, Thunderhead was actually producing a SURPLUS of fresh food, at least enough to trade for scrap, gems, and other supplies that they couldn't manufacture.

[Lycan 01]

Originally Posted by BladeofObliviom

Spoiler

A lot less than would have died if the Wasteland continued to exist forever, that's for sure.

She may not be a Saint, but she's hardly on the same level as Red Eye or the Goddess. The simple fact is that there was no ending to this story that wouldn't involve immense pain. She merely chose the one with the best end result. I suppose she had something of an unfair advantage, though, given that Red Eye didn't know about GoE and the Goddess didn't care.

As a side note, the Pegasus population was actually fairly small. In fact, if Project Horizons is to be trusted, Thunderhead was actually producing a SURPLUS of fresh food, at least enough to trade for scrap, gems, and other supplies that they couldn't manufacture.

Spoiler

Oh, I'm not saying she shouldn't have done it. It was certainly the lesser evil. But it was still one of those "break eggs to make an omelet" sorta situations.


Also, the impression I got from FO:E was that the Enclave was really stretched for materials and food. Pretty sure Calamity mentioned there being a limit on family size and stuff.

Haven't read Project Horizons, though. And I never will.

[PurityIcekiller]

...Uh, this doesn't look like a few short actions split over multiple posts any more.

[Benson]

Combat is over. The two are allowed to have a one on one scene together.

[Lycan 01]

Bright Eyes ran all the way up a hill, which would take a bit, and is dealing with hostages. Like Benson said, combat is over, and it's just one-on-one between Lucky and Gwendolyn now. Their conversation and stuff could easily take place in the time it takes Bright Eyes to act. It we did the whole "one post per turn" thing right now, it would take us a lot of turns and several days to get through all this.

[Chaotic Bob]

As the Brain-Damaged One and Featherduster are busy cuddling a bloody bandit and each other, the hostage-bit can be handled separately simply enough.

I am taking your pace. Have no fear.