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Old 11-03-2012, 07:02 AM   Top  -  End  -  #751
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Aw, how come Draculatown gets Yousuke but my game doesn't? I wrote a few parts of the adventure with Yousuke in mind is all, including throwing in a swordsman for a main villain. You're still allowed in and you're still allowed to use some other (lamer) character if you want, it's just that Yousuke not being present kind of forces me to start over with... well, basically every element beyond the 'Touhou 12' base.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:13 AM   Top  -  End  -  #752
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Eh, I guess I could just swap the characters. Neither of them have amazing stats anyway so a swap wouldn't be so bad.

But this is exactly what I meant by not writing plots that are so contingent on a specific player.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:22 AM   Top  -  End  -  #753
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Well, the plot itself doesn't revolve around Yousuke, though I suppose some elements are indeed contingent on Yousuke; that should b etrue of all the characters by the time I finish it, though I suppose Yousuke had more going on.

I was going to allow people to port their characters from ZN's filler but whatever

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Old 11-03-2012, 07:32 AM   Top  -  End  -  #754
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Regardless of whether or not the plot revolves around him, the fact that most of your premise falls apart without the inclusion of a single character is a problem. I don't foresee myself sudden dropping in the middle of a game but if I did you would just be out of luck.

EDIT: Ugh, now I have to redo Yousuke all over again. This is such a pain.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:40 AM   Top  -  End  -  #755
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I don't like pressuring you to do things, it makes me feel guilty. Just... just play your other character if you want, I'll make do. Maybe I'll NPC Yousuke if I really need him...
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:42 AM   Top  -  End  -  #756
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We'll just use Trace's filler and not mine. Problem solved.
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It's not a big deal but I'm pointing out that long-term tie ins for what are supposed to be short term games can be tricky. At best you're just bringing extra work onto yourself, at worst your game can fall apart if any one of those players stops playing.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:46 AM   Top  -  End  -  #758
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We'll just use Trace's filler and not mine. Problem solved.
Aw, really? I don't want you to put such things off just for me... well, I figured I might not be able to actually do mine for a while due to Uni so i would set mine after yours, but I guess instead I'll just bang it out real fast over the next few weeks in that case.

I liked yours really, ZN, I'm sorry i caused you all problems this way - things always get hectic whenever I decide to run a game

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Well at leats in this case, Bad, it's kind of a stupid storymade to pass the time, so it isn't too big a deal if things fall apart. So, do what you wish.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:53 AM   Top  -  End  -  #759
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Anyway, don't feel like you're pressuring me into playing something Trace. I'm happy to play Yousuke if he's as important to the game as you say. I'm just in a slightly bad mood because I wrote up two character sheets before you told me that you would have to rewrite everything else if I made a new character. I'll work on the character tomorrow I guess.

Do you want a leveled up Yousuke from the IC game or do you mind if I swap classes/feats around? I still want to try out Hyouton.
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:00 AM   Top  -  End  -  #760
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Oh, feel free to use whatever you want for Yousuke's abilities as long as he is basically recognisable in his power. You'll be going to a metaphysical realm over the course of the adventure anyway so things are going to be topsy turvy anyway. We'll set the filler... an assumed month after the current point IC in which nothing happens - Team 5 just kind of mills around on actual D rank missions cleaning out gutters and receiving training. So feel free to build Yousuke from scratch, swapping levels and feats and what have you at your leisure. Having high defence, sword proficiency and wind blasts would help matters nicely

As for Hyouton... hmm... sure, why not I guess.Assume it's part of your training to serve the princess if the context is that important.

Yousuke's importance results mostly from him drawing the short straw on who got written into the campaign first really.

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Oh, you can also learn some techniques from most any of the friendly NPCs. For instance, Kaede knows Kage Bunshin since we saw him use a reinforced one to scout out the forest back there, so it would be possible for Yousuke to learn Kage Bunshin and similar techniques if he so desired from Kaede
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Any comments/complaints about my techniques, Trace?
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:17 AM   Top  -  End  -  #762
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Reading them now. Since I haven't seen the series or anything it'lltake me a little more time to compute each of them in turn, you know?

I went ahead and designed a version of Amon if her life had turned out a little different. Interesting stuff seeing what's different if you just move the timeline around by a few years- as one of the first ninja around when Soragakure took to the sky, she was a shoe-in as a special hounin. For some reason she wears glasses, I don't know why. No medical or puppetry abilities though, so basically unrecognisable. Still though, interesting.
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I took a nap and I feel better now. Let's do this thing:

Set #1
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Speaking of moving timelines, if Cybele had just gotten 3 extra years in Kusagakure then she wouldn't be nearly as horrifically broken as she is now. Mostly because she wouldn't have gotten sent to Iwagakure, but that's neither here nor there.
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Damn, that second set is FINE, ain't it?

Hey, ZN, is Cybele Momo's maid in the Maaya-verse?

I always had a line I wanted to visit Kaede's place just so Amon could tease Cybele for acting as a servant - commenting to Kaede "She is pretty handy, ain't she? Where can i get one, I wonder..."

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Amon kind of wanted to 'fix' Cybele early on but they seem to have clashed heads a little much so she's afraid she'll make things worse even if she tries her best to keep Cybele's spirits up.

Alternate timeline Amon ended up a lot better in her life simply because she wasn't put in the field at such an inexperienced age (both psychologically and in terms of skill) and so could handle herself, successfully accomplishing her goal of defining herself by her own skill. So basically the flawed education of the genin program is what seemed to hold her back so much. meanwhile in alternate Soragakure, Yamana Amon just attained Special Jounin rank for her feats in technology and infiltration.

I know this is pretty vain, though if you ask me analysing a characters growth by how things might have turned out in different circumstances is kind of interesting
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An ANBU with purple-hair and a red-white mask is Momo's maid in the Maaya-verse.
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An ANBU with purple-hair and a red-white mask is Momo's maid in the Maaya-verse.
Gah, you ninja'd my edit.

Haven't been reading Maaya still, really should. So what, Cybele doesn't take off her mask while on duty unless a giant punches it off? Wait, if her face is hidden, doesn't that mean she's gone into her maniacal giggling mode? I kind of want to see more of that. I have an idea for a genjutsu that makes the target think they're wearing a face-hiding mask that Amon could use on Cybele just to see what her face looks like when she doesn't think anyone's looking. Amon's main pranking technique isn't a valid angle when it comes to Cybele after all (since I might DIE if I use minx transfer on her) so I might as well do SOMETHING, you know?
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In the Alternate Universe, Youmu never left Soragakure and as a result Yousuke never developed issues with girl's growing up. In fact, AU!Yousuke is a playboy who is very much determined to populate Soragakure with his white-haired babbies and restore his clan to the height of its glory.

Polygamy is legal in Soragakure right?

Well, it will be by the time Yousuke is through with the village.

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Amon kind of wanted to 'fix' Cybele early on but they seem to have clashed heads a little much so she's afraid she'll make things worse even if she tries her best to keep Cybele's spirits up.
As I said before: It's simply impossible for an outsider. Cybele's so broken beyond belief that an outsider attempting to "fix" her would just be brushed off as a crazy person. Cybele needs to realize that there's something wrong with her first.

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So what, Cybele doesn't take off her mask while on duty unless a giant punches it off?
A) ANBU don't take their mask off at all in the village. Except to shower and sleep.
B) In Maaya-verse she lacks Kaede's special glasses, as she never intended to take a genin team and never intended to remove her mask. So removing her mask would mean she'd instantly become a threat to anyone she sees.

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I kind of want to see more of that. I have an idea for a genjutsu that makes the target think they're wearing a face-hiding mask that Amon could use on Cybele just to see what her face looks like when she doesn't think anyone's looking.
Cybele can achieve the same results by just hiding, so there's not much point in that.

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Amon's been wanting to ask Cybele about why she became their jounin for a while now. Maybe she'll consent to actually speak with Amon if they find somewhere quiet to spend the night.

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As I said before: It's simply impossible for an outsider. Cybele's so broken beyond belief that an outsider attempting to "fix" her would just be brushed off as a crazy person. Cybele needs to realize that there's something wrong with her first.
Yeah, we all know that from the staggering success we've exhibited at getting through to her. And Amon's realising now how badly things go whenever she tries to improve a sensitive situation. Still though, she believes a team should get on so she'll do her best to at least ease Cybele's feelings a bit

Well, ZN, how about it. You've offered to do your part to help best explore our characters, how about I do the same for you. What tact would one best take to maybe put a dent in the emotional barrier CYbele's perched herself behind.
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What's the difference between Mastercraft +3 armor and +3 Mystical Armor?
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What's the difference between Mastercraft +3 armor and +3 Mystical Armor?
One is really well made armor. The other is armor made really well by magic.

I think, also, cost. Mastercraft +3 is something like... +7 to the cost modifier? So a +3 Mastercraft Battle Vest or whatever would be DC 17 to DC 19. A Greater Mystical Seal is like... DC 26? or 30 or something, and the armor itself is like... DC 12. So you end up paying more for Mystical Seals. But Mystical Seals can go all the way up to +5, whereas Mastercraft is stuck at +3.

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Well, ZN, how about it. You've offered to do your part to help best explore our characters, how about I do the same for you. What tact would one best take to maybe put a dent in the emotional barrier CYbele's perched herself behind.
I'll be honest: You don't.

It's not even an issue of an emotional barrier, and you'll find out what I mean in this mission.

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Mastercraft is +3 to the Purchase DC per bonus. In Nd20 the bonus can go up to +5 but every bonus after the first +3 costs an additional +7.

So a +5 Mastercraft item is +23 to the purchase DC.

Or was that an optional rule...
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Or was that an optional rule...
It's optional. I, personally, don't use it but Trace might have a different opinion on it.
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What's an optional rule? You mean the cap on masterwork weapons? I know there's an epic feat that allows one to make +4 and +5 mastercraft items, but i don't know about purchases.

Although if we're able to BUY +4 and +5 items, I would like the ability to gain such mastercrafting early, if possible
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Oh. Well I ask because if there's really no difference I'll just get Mastercraft armor set and slap a seal with more utility value rather than straight AC.

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Oh. Well I ask because if there's really no difference I'll just get Mastercraft armor set and slap a seal with more utility value rather than straight AC.
There isn't a difference, but that'll become pretty expensive depending on your choice of armor and seal.

+3 Mastercraft(according to the Mastercrafter feat) is +9 to the DC, and a Greater Seal is +6, so a Battle Vest(DC 12) becomes DC 27. And that's on top of whatever the cost of your seal is.
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Team Cybele: So what's the plan? Go to Konoha, go back to Sora, or try to go to Kusa?
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I'd go with Konoha I think, though retreating to Soragakure would have been appealing if it wouldn't take us about 2 days of travelling to do so. Doesn't Cybele get a vote?

How far in landhopping terms are we from Kusa actually?

What's the policy with taking in asylum seeking ninja in Konoha (I take 10 on ninja lore to hit 19)
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They do it during peacetime.
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