The Tsuchikage is a good example really - I don't know how ZN expects me to view him or the Garou as anything more than cartoon villains with their torturing children thing going on.
The Garou are pragmatic. They had an ability that allowed them to subvert anyone they met in order to turn them into allies. They used this ability as often as they could, and then used it to train their new allies as shocktroops. Is it evil? Yes. But it also serves a purpose: In battle, non-ninja would have a seriously hard time killing a bunch of children.
The Tsuchikage, if he is like Sune says he is, is an example of absolute power corrupting absolutely.
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As a comment on the world I've built so far: There's really not a lot of truly Good people. I can count the ones you've met so far on one hand. But at the same time, there aren't a lot of truly Evil people either. Though I'd need two hands for them they're not exactly common. In the end, lots of people in the setting are less shounen-style "Good" and more selfish Neutral.
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As a comment on the world I've built so far: There's really not a lot of truly Good people. I can count the ones you've met so far on one hand. But at the same time, there aren't a lot of truly Evil people either. Though I'd need two hands for them they're not exactly common. In the end, lots of people in the setting are less shounen-style "Good" and more selfish Neutral.
That's more realistic, if anything.
And that's me not even going into "What's Good anyway" territory.
Also, Rion: We need you to post.
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You classify Cybele as evil? Hinami might be disqualified on account of dead. That's kind of bad though - you think of two of the people running Soragakure to be evil, and Kai's just an unknown right now. I just thought of Sonia as a bitch - a bitch who gets the job done though. Unless she somehow IS tied up in this whole Suneko thing*
I'm not a big believer in moral codes or anything, but the whole power crazed mentality is awfully hard to empathize with - sometimes even in cases where an afflicted character is the main character. Like, does anyone REALLY feel sorry for Light by the last episode of Death Note? Well, I kind of felt sorry for him that the annoying brat that even the creators disliked managed to humiliate him, but other than that...
if the Garou truly wanted to screw with people, they'd have the inducted children not wear masks. Amon doesn't have a very good ninja mindset, but because they were fighting her friends and because they were wearing masks, in the heat of battle she was able to dismiss the knowledge of their being children for the purposes of the fight. Fighting them would have been a lot harder if that fact was staring her in the face throughout
Also, on the Garou issue. I find your use of past tenses... disturbing. Did someone else seriously eliminate the Rinnegan when we weren't looking? Lame
*Edit: On second thought, Suneko isn't on there despite being our first real fight and a demon master, so I suppose Sonia's evil would be independant of Suneko
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That's kind of bad though - you think of two of the people running Soragakure to be evil, and Kai's just an unknown right now.
I think of 1 of the 2 people running Soragakure to be evil. Sonia is in jail, remember? Taro's evil is fairly obvious, albeit a pragmatic type as well. He betrayed Sonia for power, and betrayed Kaede in order to gain control over the Sharingan through Momo. Cybele reminded him why you don't attack an Uchiha, even if you're doing it indirectly.
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I just thought of Sonia as a bitch - a bitch who gets the job done though. Unless she somehow IS tied up in this whole Suneko thing*
She wanted you to leave your allies(the Sand) to die so you could complete your mission, not because saving them endangered the mission in any way(Cybele was there after all), but because they might be enemies in the future. That's pretty evil.
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I'm not a big believer in moral codes or anything, but the whole power crazed mentality is awfully hard to empathize with - sometimes even in cases where an afflicted character is the main character.
This is by design, so you don't sympathize with the designated evil. I much prefer evil characters who have hearts and morality, except that their morality is vastly different from our own. Cybele is an example of this, because she does care for the genin, her sister, and Momo. But there is literally no order from Kaede that she would refuse. Even if ordered his own death.
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if the Garou truly wanted to screw with people, they'd have the inducted children not wear masks.
Masks are an important philosophical component of their society.
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Also, on the Garou issue. I find your use of past tenses... disturbing. Did someone else seriously eliminate the Rinnegan when we weren't looking? Lame
Who knows? Not like you guys were strong enough to do anything about it one way or another.
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*Edit: On second thought, Suneko isn't on there despite being our first real fight and a demon master, so I suppose Sonia's evil would be independant of Suneko
Demons =/= Evil. Obana is proof of this.
In D&D terms:
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Lawful Good: Satoko.
Neutral Good: Remi and Obana.
Chaotic Good: Saicho.
Lawful Neutral: Remilia Scarlet, Suzunabu, Reimu, Shoin, and Camille.
True Neutral: Everyone else.
Chaotic Neutral: Kaede, Yukiko, Yuri, and Sune.
Lawful Evil: Sonia, Taro, Gonzou, and Kyohei.
Neutral Evil: Cybele and Hinami.
Chaotic Evil: Ryu and the Garou.
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Well, I never defended Taro. Though he seemed more Bureaucratic ******* than Evil. I wouldn't qualify a boss with a reputation for firing people without cause as evil, just kind of an ass.
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Who knows? Not like you guys were strong enough to do anything about it one way or another.
Hey, I don't know much about Naruto, but isn't the Rinnegan, like the strongest thing ever? You can hardly fault us for not facing that. Plus Kaede said we should retreat and Amon wasn't going to argue with him on that.
Seriously though I hope we get back to the Garou at some point. That was too thought out a thread to just leave dangling like we did.
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Demons =/= Evil. Obana is proof of this.
Well i KNEW that. Mostly I'm just joking about the fact that in western mythology you can't get much more evil than a demon - at least in he 'intended' interpretations
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I can't believe none of us thought to make these rolls before at some point. Maybe we did and I just forgot. All I knows is I'd hav egained ninja lore ranks and research time since then so I'll at least be entitled to a reroll
Ninja Lore to know about the Big Three - i take 10 for 19, plus their reputations.
Ninja Lore to know about the Stone (1d20+9)[11]
Untrained knowledge (history) to know about any recent major conflicts with the last, ooh, let's say decade (1d20+4)[20]
Knowledge (technology) to know about the workings of Soragakure's flying and what have you: I take 10 to hit 18
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I just realised that's a greedy number of rolls that will probably keep you up all night writing setting stuff. Sorry - most of it isn't relevant to the current situation, so you don't need to do all of it immediately.
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Edit: Wow, that roll is just about good enough for 'Amon knows the Stone is a hidden village full of ninjas'
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On an unrelated note, I', kind of glad Sune didn't get to hear all of Amon's woes. Otherwise it would be far less special if she finally opens up to the party - or rather, they allow her to
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Ninja Lore to know about the Big Three - i take 10 for 19, plus their reputations.
What Big Three are you talking about?
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Ninja Lore to know about the Stone [roll0]
At this rate Amon will never be Velma.
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Untrained knowledge (history) to know about any recent major conflicts with the last, ooh, let's say decade [roll1]
The last ten years have been peaceful.
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Knowledge (technology) to know about the workings of Soragakure's flying and what have you: I take 10 to hit 18
Not applicable. It does not use technology to fly.
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I just realised that's a greedy number of rolls that will probably keep you up all night writing setting stuff. Sorry - most of it isn't relevant to the current situation, so you don't need to do all of it immediately.
It took me... minute and a half and some change to write this post.
I mean the triumvirate. Which apparently IS a word, so my reason for not using it in place of Big Three is invalidated now I guess
It totally uses technology to fly. You said, when we were discussing character creation about *checks watch* three months ago, that Yamana Metal Industries supplies materials that are essential for the village's place in the sky. Using available materials and know-how to accomplish a task totally is the essence of technology, even if it involves a couple of mystical intermediate steps.
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I mean the triumvirate. Which apparently IS a word, so my reason for not using it in place of Big Three is invalidated now I guess
You know Taro, you know Sonia, and you already know the things written in the OP concerning Kai.
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It totally uses technology to fly. You said Yamana Metal Industries supplies materials that are essential for the village's place in the sky. Using available materials and know-how to accomplish a task totally is the essence of technology, even if it involves a couple of mystical intermediate steps.
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Technology: Current developments in cutting-edge devices, as well as the background necessary to identify various technological devices.
Know(Tech) concerns things like computers, planes, cars, etc.
You're looking for Know(Ninja Lore) when discussing ninja-based technology such as exploding tags, advanced seals, etc.
That feels metaphysical to ask. How about after the first time an 'assumed' conversation happened (like we all get tea or something or head out on the road and don't specify our words) Amon will ask what she can do then you tell me - or at least, tell me what she would tell Amon. like it would be fine to ask 'so what's your specialty' but asking about specific techniques she doesn't even know is just weird
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Maybe Sune's one of those genius ninja with 3 elements
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Amon's going to branch from discussion of techniques and chakra to talking about about the Euryale chakra THEN ask why she didn't turn like Camille did. After that one more ambiguous statement, then maybe I'll go see how Suzunabu's doing or something. I think I see where the Houshi thing is going, but I won't spoil it
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Bad, you should totally ask her about Yusa. That, or let Amon do it
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Oh Yousuke. What have you gotten yourself into. Also also: The next arc for Team Cybele will be concerning the Exams. So think about what techniques and abilities you want to learn for that.
She brought up the clan and challenged his honor as a swordsman. This was pretty much the only resolution Yousuke would be satisfied. Not to mention that it's a chance for him to prove himself.
As for jutsu, I'm not sure. Yousuke's next level will be Elementalist so he'll probably try to pick up some more wind jutsu in relation to that. Oh, and he needs to bring up his speed and strength ranks as well as up his Con with Wild Boar's Healthy Body. From there I'm hoping to pick up a Konpaku Style sword technique or two in preparation for the exam. It would be cool if he got into Sword Saint by the time he exams started but that's not exactly a reasonable frame of time considering that the class is 3 levels away.
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Yousuke gets himself into all the nice things. Amon was going to do that, but noooo - Yousuke has, like, 6 levels of Plucky Shonen Main Character while Amon apparently went for Useless Waif.
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For some reason I'm thinking of the Exams the way I would the exams in real life; that I want them to be as far away as possible because I'm not ready. If they're anything like the show, Amon won't make it to the final round - I was hoping to at least reach level 8 so I could make my puppetry worth a damn first, but I guess we don't have any more chance to level up.
In character it might be an option to have Amon not take the exams this year if not for two things: 1. the exams are usually a trial of team work as much as anything else (another reason we're ****ing doomed since everyone except Amon is determined to never rely on their team mates) so she'd be burdening Houshi and Yousuke by refusing, and 2. out of character reasons, since that would mean I would be left with nothing to do until the Exam arc is done
I don't have any clue what the exams consist of so there's no possible way for me to prepare for them. Amon has no battle or detection skills, or stamina; she's not a character made for any sort of competitive environment where any decently built equal-level ninja would just waste her. She is in every way an underdog character, and she hasn't got a chance in hell, not as she is now, and there's no training I can do in preparation of the next arc that will change any of that. So unless there's some kind of group bargain, Yousuke will get promoted because he has a good, balanced build for fighting and an arc that relies on his seeking recognition.
Never mind, my negativity is probably ruining ZN's buzz again. I'm not saying I won't enjoy these, just that... Amon won't do well.
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I take 10 to hit 19. That's basically my motto. I just figured it would be common knowledge on the streets since apparently all the other genin are busy training.
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I really hope it's not like the show. That would be so out of place considering we don't have that same campy atmosphere going that they do
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A straight up stadium fight with Amon would be really boring actually. There's only two ways it would go if it were like the series:
1. they win initiative and waste Amon instantly
2. Amon wins initiative, doesn't have the time to animate her puppet and screw around, so Hero Surges to lightningbolt them to death instantly.
Amon has a build that makes fights going on longer than one round nearly impossible to win, and sadly using Shanghai is hardly ever the optimal choice - especially in a group fight since the strictest reading of the rules means it would take her 3-4 rounds to set up, y'know?
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The next arc for Team Cybele will be concerning the Exams.
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It's in three weeks.
Hmm.. interesting data set. There's no way the village would let us off to train for a longer period of time than we've been active. So at least we have at least one more arc before we get into the exams proper. I hope.
Let's see... Kage Bunshin? Hm. Maybe. That'll take a whole 6 days though. ZN, what happens if my Kage Bunshin uses Mind Transfer on someone?
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