Oh, and Jacior. That isn't a flat +2 to Wealth. It is a +2 on your next purchase. So you don't actually have a +12 wealth score you still just have a +10. The +2 is just going to help you make your next purchase.
Though, if you need to buy things the Queens may be able to help you.
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YIKES. I rolled and barely made the prerequisite score~
You can take 10 on Learn checks.
I probably should have mentioned that. Because if you have just taken 10 then you would have easily beaten the DC as well decreased the training time by 1/2.
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Last edited by Bad Situation : 10-28-2012 at 12:04 AM.
Also don't be a doubter, Bad. I hardly ever have Amon learn a technique UNLESS I can beat th DC by 15, otherwise I just never get anything done between missions.
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I guess I can't revive her since she was knocked out by nonlethal damage? Oh well. Can I use a medical technique? More importantly, SHOULD I use a medical technique? If Yousuke doesn't get in any words with Youmu, will he wait until she wakes up, thus being incapable of attending the mission?
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And who are you kidding, ZN, if they were going to fire us for incompetency, they'd have done it by now, likely at the most politically opportunistic moment, i.e. right after Yusa escaped and they needed someone to blame to show the Sand they meant business.
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Not even if I use the 'revive unconscious character' option so she can at least get a few words in? The rules around nonlethal damage healing are a bi sketchy at this point since the core rules assume it isn't cumilative and what have you.
I was hoping if I could at least get her conscious, possibly with a technique, Yousuke could have some words with her before the mission. Which brings us to the next order of business, does Yousuke intend to do the misison, drained as he is? Maybe we should find out what the mission is first.
Also being forced to leave Soragakure is a bigger risk than missing out on a temporary +2 wealth bonus.
I wish Amon could track right around now, but with her wisdom it probably wouldn't be worth investing in. Still though... I still say we need someone to track. And Houshi has the highest wisdom on the team. And few out of combat skills. And we're nearing a new level. Hint hint.
I wonder if my amnessia of lats night will affect my ability to retrain. Maybe I should quickly craft some explosives or something before we leave
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I wish Amon could track right around now, but with her wisdom it probably wouldn't be worth investing in. Still though... I still say we need someone to track. And Houshi has the highest wisdom on the team. And few out of combat skills. And we're nearing a new level. Hint hint.
You're asking him to compromise his build for the ability to track? If it's so important that we have a tracker why don't you just take it yourself?
And he may have the highest wisdom but he also has the fewest skill points out of all of us and suffers from Level Adjustment meaning that even if he threw point after point into the skill his survival score would be around your own if you took Track.
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Last edited by Bad Situation : 10-28-2012 at 09:47 AM.
I just said that Amon has a sucky wisdom score. Also she already has an out of combat role. I thought Zeone felt a little left out in the cold not having any practical skills, but I guess I was wrong. Besides, individual builds aren't that important what matters is how we function as a team. Characters made in a void of their team mates tend to suck. But over the course of a few levels, it's possible to better learn and customise to fit that rhythm. I'm strongly consideirng going for another level of medic next level just to be more useful to the party, even though another level in puppeteer would be the 'correct' choice for my individual power.
Besides, Houshi's build is pretty weak, so its hardly worth getting your panties in a bunch at the mere suggestion of changing it. I know you don't hear this often in d20 rules but i think Houshi is TOO specialised. I don't even know what he's going for, but since his luck is radically polarised, it's not like a level spent learning something other than 'do slightly more broadsword damage' would really harm the build too much.
I know, not my place to say. i'm just throwing idea out there. It's not like I take it personally if someone advises me to change Amon's build. Which, by the way, I mostly just make up as I go along. In case you hadn't figured that out somehow. Amon COULD be a tracker, but it would take a lot mor einvestment since unlike some classes the Puppeteer kind of requires focus. because of how well the puppets scale; but they only scale EXCLUSIVELY with the class, pretty much
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Yes the LA and low skills are a concern. But what else is he going to invest into? Ninjutsu? Move Silently?
Well, okay, i guess I have poor experience-based empathy for the low-skill classes. Let's try and be nicer
Things worth investing in for Houghi:
-Taijutsu (I think he gets it for free, but i don't know)
-Spot
-Listen
... -Intimidate (no ranks as far as I can tell despite his size bonus. We could also use an interrogator, come to thik of it...)
-... other stuff.
Really there's not much of an investment. Just a feat and a couple ranks to attain some minimal competency
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I'm sure in terms of damage optimisation, Zeone has a more attentive perspective on such things than myself, since I've never seen his character sheet and I've never really built a melee character. But in terms of party operations, I've just been looking at the walls we've been running into over the course of our first three misisons. We simply can't track, we can't interrogate, we can't negotiate worth a crap, and our espionage needs work. I can have Amon cover some of that deficiency, but not all of it; negotiation, and espionage can do nicely. Interrogation and tracking on the other hand would require a bit more investment that she doesn't have, since she hasn't invested any bonus into either yet.
We have ally NPCs, sure - Cybele has 6 levels in Scout, so she has to be pretty good at tracking by now, and Kaede can interrogate those we bring back. But by the time we're a couple of levels into Chuunin, do you really want us to be relying on others that much?
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For some reason i got the impression Survival was a Strong Hero class skill, but no. God, that's the worst class easily.
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Yousuke was a character made completely in void of his teammates. I designed him without knowing who would become his teammates and I wrote his backstory to be largely self contained as a result. Our characters were literally thrown together, with no understanding of the other. They come from different backgrounds and with different skillsets. You can build your character however you want but Yousuke isn't going to stray from his build path just to 'fit better' on a team. He's a swordsman and he has plans to merge ninjutsu into the family's style. Maybe he'll learn to play nicer with the others but that's character development.
By canon, teams are not permanent. The genin team is to establish bonds and get the characters trained and capable of teamwork. Some teams stick together and some don't. It does not however, mean you're going to be stuck with them for life. So learning abilities just to better fit one particular team dynamic doesn't make sense unless you know you're going to be with them for a very long time. If the leaders of a village decide they want you on a mission they're going to choose you for the skills they know you have. Not the minor abilities you might happen to possess. At this point you're going to have to work with others whose skills you are unsure of but are obligated to trust in and respond accordingly.
That's teamwork.
Taking feats/jumping into classes is something you do on your own time and a decision that a character has to consciously make.
EDIT: Amon could probably invest in a lot more skills if you hadn't insisted on taking to many 1 rank dips. Those ranks are pretty useless given that most of them aren't trained-only skills. A single +1 to say, Taijutsu is less significant than a +4 -> +5 in Hide or something that you'll actually use.
Amon is terrible at taijutsu, you need to accept this.
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Last edited by Bad Situation : 10-28-2012 at 10:16 AM.
Yousuke was a character made completely in void of his teammates. I designed him without knowing who would become his teammates and I wrote his backstory to be largely self contained as a result. Our characters were literally thrown together, with no understanding of the other. They come from different backgrounds and with different skillsets. You can build your character however you want but Yousuke isn't going to stray from his build path just to 'fit better' on a team. He's a swordsman and he has plans to merge ninjutsu into the family's style. Maybe he'll learn to play nicer with the others but that's character development.
I know our characters are made in a void - it's interesting and perhaps realistic that way. But I'm saying that after a certain point, there should be a group dynamic as we come to understand each other's deficiencies and strengths. Amon isn't good at detection or direct confrontation, so Yousuke and Houshi pick up the slack; obviously that isn't an example of how we develop to better fit the other's weaknesses, bu that's because I don't have any such real examples in this game yet.
Also this is a party-based game. We DO have some wriggle room to contorl how our characters progress even if they don't voice it.
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By canon, teams are not permanent.
Really? I... didn't even know that. Hm. That does change a few things. Still though, no reason to not get along - you've only lost one team mate so far, it's a little too early to be getting Repeatedly Fostered Syndrome (whatever you'd call it officially)
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Yeah, I was going to retrain some of those loose skills for move silently and other loose skills. Though generally (and I wasn't always right on what is and isn't trained only) I tired to ONLY take those dips for trained only skills. Also I actually want more ranks in Taijutsu if you can believe that - if I don't get speed rank 2 before reaching level 10, I'm boned.
Although that one rank in Escape Artist, for example, obviously isn't doing much for me
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Not even if I use the 'revive unconscious character' option so she can at least get a few words in? The rules around nonlethal damage healing are a bi sketchy at this point since the core rules assume it isn't cumilative and what have you.
Non-lethal > HP = Unconscious. No matter what.
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Maybe we should find out what the mission is first.
That sounds like a good idea.
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I wonder if my amnessia of lats night will affect my ability to retrain. Maybe I should quickly craft some explosives or something before we leave
A quick look at the handbook says that the only Advanced Classes that require Know: Tactics are Squad Captain, Weaponmaster, Samurai, and Master Strategist.
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Also I actually want more ranks in Taijutsu if you can believe that - if I don't get speed rank 2 before reaching level 10, I'm boned.
Well, outside of a bonus to movement speed I don't think you get too much from Speed Ranks. +2 to Defense isn't going to save you from an attack at level 10 if your opponent is dedicated melee. Can you use speed ranks with puppets?
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Last edited by Bad Situation : 10-28-2012 at 10:26 AM.
If he were going for Captain or Strategist, we'd know about it by now. Can you even use Fullblades with the Kenjutsu path?
Bad, could I trouble you for an IC post? Amon just wants to know if anyone wants healing; once she's done that, or not, she'll leave immediately, giving Yousuke his room
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Bad, could I trouble you for an IC post? Amon just wants to know if anyone wants healing; once she's done that, or not, she'll leave immediately, giving Yousuke his room
Nope! I'm currently working on a paper. That OoC posts that I've been working on were just because I happened to be taking a break from writing.
So... since no one responded to my previous post other than Trace... is there a consensus about how training works?
It can be interpreted as "attempts are broken into blocks equal to training time divided by successes required" or "an attempt composes the entirety of the technique's training time". The second reading favors players more as it increases the likelihood of serious reductions in training time, so I'll go with that.
Essentially: A Rank 4, 3 successes technique can be reduced by a maximum of 3/4th up to 3 times(12 days to 4, then 4 days to 3) then it cannot be reduced further as it's below the 1/4th threshold.
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I meant in the big black spot where Amon apparently took a shower, maybe she did some crafting then
I think the second interpretation is wrong. I know, shooting myself in the foot, bu I like to be honest. I really don't think the 'the reductions stack to multiply' interpretation is right
Plus it makes learn bonuses obsolete
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