I wouldn't be a weapon though, not in Amon's hands. Certainly not in the 'I will use this in a fight' sense. It would just be an 'emergency poison-delivery device'. Really, a syringe would work just as well, though I'm not sure what kind of an action it would be to use a syringe like that.
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OOH, big news! After combing this stuff, I have concluded there is no Sap weapon in Naruto d20 despite one being in d20 Modern and it being a fairly essential ninja weapon. In Modern, it's a simple weapon. Shall we include the weapons from Modern that were just kind of 'left out' then (in which case the simple weapons would also include knives) or do we put the Sap into the 'Nin Weapons' category? Or just not include it at all i suppose.
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As far as bo staves: Those are actual things used by martial artists. It's silly to assume ninja martial artists don't use them.
And yes, there's no Sap in Naruto d20. Because ninjas just slit their throats instead of knocking them out. Or punch them if they're looking to knock someone out.
I think there is a cause for the sap. It's more graceful than simply punching. Plus it would allow use of armed techniques. And it does more damage than base unarmed at least. It's kind of like kunai, but for nonlethal damage (and bludgeoning).
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I was thinking about making some weird biology Frankenstein-style based techniques. You know, things that would warp my physiology and stuff.
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Also yes, there are guns in Naruto. They're just hidden. The rest of the game still refers to them after all - a lot of the base classes still have Firearm Proficiency feats. And there are certain 'modern day' techniques for affecting electronics and stuff; clearly the firearms ar enot incompatable in case you have a DM that wants to run a game that's like 'ninjas, but on our modern earth'.
The physics of teh game do not reject guns. They simply are not referenced much or EVER used by most games simply because the show doesn't use them. Their exclusin works on a decidedly different principle (aesthetics) than the exclusion of saps or what have you, where they simply didn't think to mention them
Each of the weapons have a description, after all. It's posisble they simply didn't want to repeat all that publicly available info.
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Hey, it's less goofy than just smacking them on the back of the skull with your bare hand to achieve the same effect at least. Besides, it works for Garret of Thief fame. If it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me.
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With all due respect, if you take a look at the Chakra Gauntlet entry in the handbook, it reads:
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The gauntlets cannot be worn with brass knuckles, shiko and ashiko, knuckle blades or similar weapons.
It refers to the brass knuckles, which is not on the Naruto handbook's weapons list, but is on the d20 Modern's weapons list.
Also, if you look closely at the two lists, none of the weapons in d20 Modern appears in Naruto. And if they do appear, like, say, Katana, it's only where Naruto's list updates the d20 Modern's list. For example, the said Katana becomes 1d10 from the original 2d6.
Of course, it's another matter if you houseruled stuff.
Also, I'm off to sleep.
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Didn't the first group of goons that Momo killed approach us with clubs anyway? I had assumed from there that you were already using the d20 modern list.
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Didn't the first group of goons that Momo killed approach us with clubs anyway? I had assumed from there that you were already using the d20 modern list.
Okay, I'm seriously off to bed, now.
Well now they're using guns. Because there's no reason for them not to.
Amon right now: "Ha... ha ha ha AHAHAHAHAHAHA, I HOPE YOU ENJOYED BEING ON TOP YOUSUKE!"
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Oh man, this change wil be welcome. For some reason I always pictured Amon holding a glock. Next downtime I'm retraining for Personal Firearm Proficiency and developing gun-based taijutsu. Amon ain't gonna let these primitive sharo-stick users outdo TECHNOLOGY!
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Unless you're joking, of course... Pity. Amon would become the most powerful genin (at least certainly politically) in Soragakure if she put her head to revolutionising firearm technology to gattling gun levels and beyond
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Pfft, non-proficiency penalties. Who cares? Now that guns exist, swordsmen are obsolete. I'll just knock this mission out, get back to town, retrain a feat I hardly use for personal Firearms Proficiency, maybe mastercraft myself a little something something while I'm at it, and all of a sudden Amon can contribute to the combat situation even when low on chakra.
Hell, screw regular guns. If I need something more heavy duty, I'll roll up with a mini gun and tear large sections of the forest to shreds Predator-style. OH, Flamethrowers don't require proficiency, you can just burn crap. Last chance to change your mind on guns~
*and then Amon was targetted by all the people using guns, killed instantly before she ever got the chance to even go back to town and craft/retrain for guns
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Tee hee, this is what happens when we go a day without posting; we tear down reality and rebuild it a little bit zanier. Like this technique I'm already designing
Jujutsu: Pinboru Shotto (Gun Technique: Pinball Shot)
Taijutsu [armed]
[Spend action point to make a shot that ignores cover by way of improbably ricochet]
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Guns are more powerful in the hands of NPCs than in Amon's hands. Her general lack of BAB and mostly average dex score means a gun is as useless in her hands as any weapon really. You're better off just using jutsu or your puppet rather than try to use firearms.
Well yeah, but my puppet has a duration and a cost. A gun can be fired as long as I have ammo. I know, I know, a +5 to attack isn't going to be keeping up at this level - I would need a 20 to hit someone as speedy as Yousuke (who we've established may just be the fastest character in the series so far) for instance. But god damn, I just like to have a backup. And something I can use more readily. If I have a knife for delivering knockout poisons during stealth operations, a gun for when we're surprised (animating a puppet essentially takes like 2 rounds, at which point the ambush is already over) and my puppet for standard and 'trick' combat I think I'm set and well balanced
Plus even on near-empty chakra pools as he is now, Yousuke can still hit things with his sword to contribute at least a bit. the same could not be said of Amon in the same circumstances
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More over: The only reason Amon survives combat is because enemies have low Spot/Listen, and don't carry ranged weapons. The rise of the gun makes Spot/Listen more valuable to train in, and allows a single enemy to strike pretty much anyone on the battlefield. Finally, the rise and power of the gun combined with its ease of use makes it more valuable than any other weapon to literally every single bad guy. From this point onward, every single mook and named villain will be using guns.
Trace's choice has removed the possibility for Yousuke or Houshi to act as meatshields, and placed Amon on the "front" lines of every single combat you guys have from this point forward. Amon will likely die very soon, followed by Houshi then maybe Yousuke. Yousuke will probably last the longest, since his AC makes it very hard for equivalent CR enemies to hit him.
Ha, I can't determine if you're just theoretically punishing me for my hubris (really, I just wanted a knife, I didn't want no guns) and won't actually make guns the main weapons of even endbosses past this point, or if you're really mad enough to go through with it.
Doesn't really matter. Amon has 4 uses of Body Substitution a day at effective level 8 and a +18 modifier. She'l be lasting a lot longer than Houshi.
I never chose for guns. Please don't perform the mental acrobatics to convince yourself of that. I was just being a bit penny pinching with my proficiencies
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Ha, I can't determine if you're just theoretically punishing me for my hubris (really, I just wanted a knife, I didn't want no guns) and won't actually make guns the main weapons of even endbosses past this point, or if you're really mad enough to go through with it.
Who knows.
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Doesn't really matter. Amon has 4 uses of Body Substitution a day at effective level 8 and a +18 modifier. She'l be lasting a lot longer than Houshi.
Can't dodge if you're flat-footed, and with guns eliminating all other weapons as viable weapons Dexterity is valued more than other stats, which means Amon will be risking a lot more on initiative checks.
But more than that: You can't dodge if you don't even realize you're being shot at, and several longarms can be deployed well beyond Amon's pitiful spot range.
I don't expect she'll survive the next fight.
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I never chose for guns. Please don't perform the mental acrobatics to convince yourself of that. I was just being a bit penny pinching with my proficiencies
Now that's just plain wrong.
I said that the Naruto weapons list replaces the Modern one. You argued that it was in addition to the Modern one. Guns are on the d20 Modern weapon list. Ergo, you argued in favor of guns.
Were you thinking when you argued in favor of guns? No.
But it is a simple fact that you did argue in favor of guns. You wanted the d20 Modern list. Becareful what you wish for.
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I never chose for guns. Please don't perform the mental acrobatics to convince yourself of that. I was just being a bit penny pinching with my proficiencies
You were considering Personal Firearms Proficiency when you could have just taken Nin Weapons Proficiency for usage of knives and the like. Furthermore, you're considering weapons you likely won't ever use and if Amon is ever forced into situation that requires her to be using melee weapons of all things then it likely won't do her any good anyway.
Hey, to say I chose for there to be guns is like saying Einstein chose for there to be atomic nuclei. He just worked with what dropped into his lap. I didn't consider Firearm Proficiency until after ZN said he'd be introducing guns.
This is Cespenar's fault. I wasn't expecting you to change your mind on anything ever. I wasn't arguing even for the entire list; just the items in Simple Weapons Proficiency that no one cares about since they were abandoned by N20 - I didn't even KNOW that teh other weapons for the exotic and archaic classifications were missing, I wasn't paying attention to such drivel
ZN's bluffin'. The implications for the game of allowing kitchen knives as Simple Weapons are far lesser than introducing firearms as they were available in the 1980s. Guns are lame this way; if they're being introduced they have to be kind of a focus for the setting, the dying way of teh sword in parralel to the real evolution of warfare, and we're a bit too busy with all that's going on for industrial revoluion to become such a focus.
At the very least I was hoping Amon would invent guns - the only reason she hadn't is because you claimed some fundamental physical constant called 'Theme' that prevented such an endeavour.
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Hey, to say I chose for there to be guns is like saying Einstein chose for there to be atomic nuclei. He just worked with what dropped into his lap.
No, that's not at all accurate. Einstein was breaking new ground. You were arguing in favor of an established list of things you could have looked up at any time. Is it my fault you didn't? No. I'm simply working with what I've been given.
Well, if you're not bluffing it means you're willing to overhaul an entire game just to spite me for labouring a point. I'm going to go to bed and do my best to ignore you since I trust that whatever your words you wouldn't go through with such a thing. Go take a deep breath, maybe drink some hot tea and consider what you really want to do, because I know you know better than to make a game lamer
You're bluffing though, whether you know it or not - I can tell by certain points you think in terms of. [compared to Amon, I'm a telepath and a mute, though that's not saying much]
Besides, there's always the 'technology levels' argument... Bad, take over for me in the arguing against guns. [Inappropriate joke about Americans and guns here]
Bed now
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You're bluffing though, whether you know it or not - I can tell by certain points you think in terms of. [compared to Amon, I'm a telepath and a mute, though that's not saying much]
That? That part right there? You know, where you told me how I think? Ya, no.
Please do not make ninja's not based on stealth/dex entirely useless. That's so unfair and I will cross the dimension's to kick Amon all over teh place.
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