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Old 10-30-2012, 10:42 PM   Top  -  End  -  #91
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Here we are. For your perusal and approval, Anarion.

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Staff (• to •••••)
Prerequisite: Resources (varies)
Your character has official command over a staff of
employees. These people are mundane mortals, but
they’re also professionally trained and capable of taking
on a host of roles. An aristocratic household, for example,
might employ a number of maids, valets and
cooks, while a social predator might have publicists, investigators
and lawyers on the payroll.
The number of dots in this Merit reflects the relative
size and complexity of the force at your character’s disposal.
You can assign a category to each dot, reflecting
the separate tasks that can be delegated at any given
time. For example, if your ghoul has Staff •••, you could
assign the dots to chauffeurs, gardeners and security
guards. Your character could then assign tasks involving
driving guests, landscaping and guard detail to her own
employees without requiring special effort beyond a
simple dispensation of orders.
The number of dots your character can have in this
Merit is limited by the number of people your household
can afford to employ. You may not have more dots
in Staff than you have in Resources. It’s also possible
to have the ghoul’s regnant be the one whose Resources
dots support the service staff. In such a situation, the
Kindred is the true master of the house, but the ghoul
character is his butler or housekeeper in an Edwardian
manor-house-style division of labor. And while the
ghoul might be the one giving the orders and maintaining
the staff’s affairs, the master’s wishes are the
rule of the night.
And from the World of Darkness core supplement, Dogs of War (of all places)

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Physical Merit: Athletics Dodge (•)
Prerequisites: Dexterity •• and Athletics •
Effect: Whenever your character performs a dodge (see
“Dodge”, the World of Darkness Rulebook, page 156) you
can add his Athletics Skill dots to his Defense instead of
doubling his Defense. He essentially draws on his knowledge
of how his body moves to parry and evade attacks rather
than rely on his raw ability alone.
Athletics Dodge applies against incoming Brawl- and
Weaponry-based attacks, against thrown-weapon attacks,
and against fi rearms attacks made within close-combat
range. Your character can move up to his Speed and perform
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A character can possess this Merit and also the Brawling
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No detail escapes his notice. With the one-dot version, the TO
ignores penalties of up to -3 on Perception rolls. The three dot
version gives Perception rolls the Rote Action quality (see “Rote
Actions”, the World of Darkness Rulebook, p. 134).
Trained observer seems to be a either or; three dots is more useful in normal circumstances, single dot is more useful under stressful situations, although honestly once the dice pool hits around 7-8 it becomes a different deal - Rolling three dice due to penalty mitigation, versus rolling 4 dice twice.

Athletics Dodge is going to be because dancing and fighting are bothgoing to draw from the same roots; some capoeira training, stacatto movements during rave/ecstaticdub step style dancing mixed with acrobatics. I suspect that when defending himself, Flouresce will resemble a morea aware, dancing version of Vash the Stampede (-8 to hit me is nothing to sneeze at!)
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:42 PM   Top  -  End  -  #92
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It can't be a mundane reason either. If Vulcan is left to her own devices she'll follow, essentially, a pro-Seer agenda. There has to be a mechanism in place to make her swallow her own priorities and do Pentacle stuff, otherwise there isn't a stable grouping.
I'm just gonna let you guys talk this one out. Let me know if you want NPC forces to be involved in getting Vulcan into the party in any way.

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Mara experiences a person's mood herself, although less strongly than the subject, and she may begin thinking thoughts which mirror the current mental state of the person under scrutiny.
might be some trouble for you if you keep mind sight up all the time, as walking through Hong Kong is going to be really depressing.
Kinda like this scene, actually.

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Actually, question Anarion: did I make this up, or is it true in the core that a dot in Order status automatically confers High Speech along with it. I would swear I read that, but now I'm doubting myself. I'll go have a look as well, actually...
I don't think it even requires the order status dot. According to the character creation rules on pg 66 you get the high speech merit as long as you're part of an order, i.e. not an apostate. So even if you have zero status and are totally new, if you're associated with the order, I think you get the merit.

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She doesn't actually value vague intangibles like (fingerquotes) "freedom" at all.
Mammon has a list of numbers for that. "Freedom" is quite expensive, since they define it by the number of security cameras that they have to overwrite footage from so that you can do what you want and not get caught.


Edit: Well huh, okay, I do kind of think that Staff is not necessary. At least, not for nightclub employees. If these guys serve as your personal security that will do whatever you tell them, then you'll need Staff, but if you own a club and are paying the regular bartender and whoever out of your resources, I don't see the need for a separate Staff merit. Staff seems like it's for personal services, people that do what you want when you want it,
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:51 PM   Top  -  End  -  #93
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Mammon has a list of numbers for that. "Freedom" is quite expensive, since they define it by the number of security cameras that they have to overwrite footage from so that you can do what you want and not get caught.
Paying someone to cover for your criminal actions is a service with a cost. It's not "freedom".

Similarly, pay enough money and the law can be changed. That's not "freedom" is either.

Vulcan is accordingly not clear on the value or purpose of "freedom". Any appeal to such a wishy-washy intangible gets a roll of the eyes.
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This might be some trouble for you if you keep mind sight up all the time, as walking through Hong Kong is going to be really depressing.
Kinda like this scene, actually.
I think dealing with that will be a combination of the fact that she may not have Mage sight up all the time, and my assumption that she can sort of screen out emotional background noise to focus on a specific target, like a microphone with a spatially narrow range.

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I don't think it even requires the order status dot. According to the character creation rules on pg 66 you get the high speech merit as long as you're part of an order, i.e. not an apostate. So even if you have zero status and are totally new, if you're associated with the order, I think you get the merit.
Huh.
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Paying someone to cover for your criminal actions is a service with a cost. It's not "freedom".

Similarly, pay enough money and the law can be changed. That's not "freedom" is either.

Vulcan is accordingly not clear on the value or purpose of "freedom". Any appeal to such a wishy-washy intangible gets a roll of the eyes.
Temperature doesn't exist as she knows it either. Hot and cold are irrelevant, but she woul still use the term. Red is just the human approximation of light in the, what, 630-750 nanometer spectrum? It's not actually a thin that exists. Dogs see it as green.

"Freedom" is a thing with a definition. How you define it is irrelevant. Freedom is being in a situation where you are not constrained. If you are constrained, you are not free. If you are not constrained but that freedom was purchased b
Via upkeep an overhead costs, it's still freedom. Freedom isn't free, they say.
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Paying someone to cover for your criminal actions is a service with a cost. It's not "freedom".

Similarly, pay enough money and the law can be changed. That's not "freedom" is either.

Vulcan is accordingly not clear on the value or purpose of "freedom". Any appeal to such a wishy-washy intangible gets a roll of the eyes.
I won't go too deep here in case you end up bringing this up IC. But I think a more experienced Seer would point out that whenever people ask for more "freedom" they usually just want money and privacy. And that's what Mammon charges them for.

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I think dealing with that will be a combination of the fact that she may not have Mage sight up all the time, and my assumption that she can sort of screen out emotional background noise to focus on a specific target, like a microphone with a spatially narrow range.
Yep that will certainly work.
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Temperature doesn't exist as she knows it either. Hot and cold are irrelevant, but she woul still use the term. Red is just the human approximation of light in the, what, 630-750 nanometer spectrum? It's not actually a thin that exists. Dogs see it as green.

"Freedom" is a thing with a definition. How you define it is irrelevant. Freedom is being in a situation where you are not constrained. If you are constrained, you are not free. If you are not constrained but that freedom was purchased b
Via upkeep an overhead costs, it's still freedom. Freedom isn't free, they say.
Then we get into metaphysics - like, I can't raise the dead from their screaming graves, where's my so-called freedom now? Isn't that the Pentacle's entire thing? I can't visit the Supernal so therefore I am not free; I am instead trapped in the Lie?

From Vulcan's perspective, freedom is meaningless, emphemeral and arbitrary, ranging from 'I wish I could browse porn at work' to 'I want to be able to end the cosmos' - whatever it is, it boils down to an "I want to be able to do X". Therefore, she sees the idea of "freedom" as meaningless and a far more honest approach would be to just straight-up say what you want.


Anyway, all beside the point. Someone get something up on Vulcan already.
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Anyway, all beside the point. Someone get something up on Vulcan already.
Um, how about the PCs were part of a raid of her lorehouse and got the girl instead of the books? Vulcan's response is to shrug and say "I'll help you out if you make my life less uncomfortable than the lives of most prisoners."
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Um, how about the PCs were part of a raid of her lorehouse and got the girl instead of the books? Vulcan's response is to shrug and say "I'll help you out if you make my life less uncomfortable than the lives of most prisoners."
Could work. I'm actually sort of seeing a thing where she is technically a prisoner but keeps getting called along on missions because she's too useful to leave sitting around in a cell. White Collar style parole. I like it.
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Could work. I'm actually sort of seeing a thing where she is technically a prisoner but keeps getting called along on missions because she's too useful to leave sitting around in a cell. White Collar style parole. I like it.
I'm liking this idea.

Better than anything I had rolling around in my head.
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Let's finish the White Collar metaphor;

1. She's technically a captive of the Adamantine Arrow as a whole, so the Arrow knows her secret.
2. The Arrow keeps this secret from the other Orders because useful asset.
3. Mara is the 'handler', with instructions to keep Vulcan under close watch.
4. Anklet is a Fate oath. It's possible for a Fate mage to break an Oath, but then Mara will know it's been broken - so it is possible for Vulcan to go rogue but you'll have warning it's happening, and Vulcan will have to talk to a Fate mage willing to do her a service.
5. The game should start with Vulcan being taken out on her first mission. This whole dynamic is cool and tense enough that it shouldn't be routine on game start; it should definitely be a case of Mara constantly wondering how far she can trust the Seer and Vulcan gradually building up credibility.
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Let's finish the White Collar metaphor;

1. She's technically a captive of the Adamantine Arrow as a whole, so the Arrow knows her secret.
2. The Arrow keeps this secret from the other Orders because useful asset.
3. Mara is the 'handler', with instructions to keep Vulcan under close watch.
4. Anklet is a Fate oath. It's possible for a Fate mage to break an Oath, but then Mara will know it's been broken - so it is possible for Vulcan to go rogue but you'll have warning it's happening, and Vulcan will have to talk to a Fate mage willing to do her a service.
5. The game should start with Vulcan being taken out on her first mission. This whole dynamic is cool and tense enough that it shouldn't be routine on game start; it should definitely be a case of Mara constantly wondering how far she can trust the Seer and Vulcan gradually building up credibility.
I think we may have struck gold, dynamic-wise. Good thinking, Anarion!

One tweak that this suggests however is for Mara to take Fate sight as a rote, so she can keep an eye on the "anklet" without either constantly maintaining Fate or hemorrhaging Mana. To that end, would it be acceptable to spend 2 XP worth of Merit XP to buy the Fate rote? I don't have anything else free at the moment, and the first dot of the flat cost is the same as a single-dot Merit.

If not, it's cool and I'll just pick that one up after the first round of XP.
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Anarion, thoughts on merits?

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Then we get into metaphysics - like, I can't raise the dead from their screaming graves, where's my so-called freedom now? Isn't that the Pentacle's entire thing? I can't visit the Supernal so therefore I am not free; I am instead trapped in the Lie?

From Vulcan's perspective, freedom is meaningless, emphemeral and arbitrary, ranging from 'I wish I could browse porn at work' to 'I want to be able to end the cosmos' - whatever it is, it boils down to an "I want to be able to do X". Therefore, she sees the idea of "freedom" as meaningless and a far more honest approach would be to just straight-up say what you want.
I can't disagree, but we come to slightly different conclusions from the same data. A feature, I believe. You have to admit though "I don't want to fear being oppressed by angry superior officers" and "I wish to be a god" cannot equate whatsoever. There's a difference of scale so large it's not even relevant. That this is still a point for Vulcan is nice. We will probably argue about it. I already plan to deride you for it.

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Soul stone! I want a demense.

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Could work. I'm actually sort of seeing a thing where she is technically a prisoner but keeps getting called along on missions because she's too useful to leave sitting around in a cell. White Collar style parole. I like it.
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Let's finish the White Collar metaphor;

1. She's technically a captive of the Adamantine Arrow as a whole, so the Arrow knows her secret.
2. The Arrow keeps this secret from the other Orders because useful asset.
3. Mara is the 'handler', with instructions to keep Vulcan under close watch.
4. Anklet is a Fate oath. It's possible for a Fate mage to break an Oath, but then Mara will know it's been broken - so it is possible for Vulcan to go rogue but you'll have warning it's happening, and Vulcan will have to talk to a Fate mage willing to do her a service.
5. The game should start with Vulcan being taken out on her first mission. This whole dynamic is cool and tense enough that it shouldn't be routine on game start; it should definitely be a case of Mara constantly wondering how far she can trust the Seer and Vulcan gradually building up credibility.
damn. I'm sold, but I'd still like a soul stone if I could.
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I think we may have struck gold, dynamic-wise. Good thinking, Anarion!

One tweak that this suggests however is for Mara to take Fate sight as a rote, so she can keep an eye on the "anklet" without either constantly maintaining Fate or hemorrhaging Mana. To that end, would it be acceptable to spend 2 XP worth of Merit XP to buy the Fate rote? I don't have anything else free at the moment, and the first dot of the flat cost is the same as a single-dot Merit.

If not, it's cool and I'll just pick that one up after the first round of XP.
If you've made an Oath, then if she breaks it you get automatically informed.

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I can't disagree, but we come to slightly different conclusions from the same data. A feature, I believe. You have to admit though "I don't want to fear being oppressed by angry superior officers" and "I wish to be a god" cannot equate whatsoever. There's a difference of scale so large it's not even relevant. That this is still a point for Vulcan is nice. We will probably argue about it. I already plan to deride you for it.
Of course they can't equate, that's why freedom is a stupid word.

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damn. I'm sold, but I'd still like a soul stone if I could.
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I think we may have struck gold, dynamic-wise. Good thinking, Anarion!
*tips hat*

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One tweak that this suggests however is for Mara to take Fate sight as a rote, so she can keep an eye on the "anklet" without either constantly maintaining Fate or hemorrhaging Mana. To that end, would it be acceptable to spend 2 XP worth of Merit XP to buy the Fate rote? I don't have anything else free at the moment, and the first dot of the flat cost is the same as a single-dot Merit.

If not, it's cool and I'll just pick that one up after the first round of XP.
I'm going to say yes, but you have to buy some merit when you get XP next. Sort of an XP loan, if you will.

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Edit: Okay, well, like I said, I don't think you need the Staff merit for what you want. Don't buy Staff unless you want people who are your personal servants/retainers/chauffeurs etc. If they're working the nightclub, you can pay them with resources.

Your dodge merit and perception merit seem fine to me.

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Soul stone! I want a demense.


damn. I'm sold, but I'd still like a soul stone if I could.
Well, you could extract a soul stone out of Vulcan if you wanted, assuming you negotiated the proper price. Or you could just make your own, if you wanted. Demenses are pretty cool, and somehow despite my discouragement you've still ended up with a pretty sweet sanctum+hallow+library combo.
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I'm going to say yes, but you have to buy some merit when you get XP next. Sort of an XP loan, if you will.
Hmm, well if we do this per Thanqol's suggestion, I suppose it isn't necessary. Might buy it anyway, since having the out-of-Path sights not cost Mana can be handy. Plus it's only 2 XP.

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Well, you could extract a soul stone out of Vulcan if you wanted, assuming you negotiated the proper price. Or you could just make your own, if you wanted. Demenses are pretty cool, and somehow despite my discouragement you've still ended up with a pretty sweet sanctum+hallow+library combo.
Is this still going to be in a nightclub? Because I was pretty excited for that. Even when active, it's like, the perfect place for Mara to hang out. Helps that Mind is like, a super-covert Arcanum...
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EDIT: Puissant Skill (Covert) Choose single Physical Skill. For each success on the spellcasting roll, that skill is considered a rote Ability allowing reroll of any failures resulting in non-magical use of the skill. Can grant by touch with Life 3. TM 195

Is this really life 2? I found my first rote >_>

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Of course they can't equate, that's why freedom is a stupid word.
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I'll edit them into the post in just a moment. I'm going to glance over all the character sheets again and link them in the OP.
Cool. Hold off on Flouresce for a bit though, I'd like to have a post of nothing but the character sheet.

It uh, will have Changeling info at the bottom from copy/paste stuff though.

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Well, you could extract a soul stone out of Vulcan if you wanted, assuming you negotiated the proper price. Or you could just make your own, if you wanted. Demenses are pretty cool, and somehow despite my discouragement you've still ended up with a pretty sweet sanctum+hallow+library combo.
I may just. Although if I can pump it, a verge will actually suffice.

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Is this still going to be in a nightclub? Because I was pretty excited for that. Even when active, it's like, the perfect place for Mara to hang out. Helps that Mind is like, a super-covert Arcanum...
pffff like that was ever not an option.

I'm seeing the base being a large square concrete structure lit by a deep neon blue in the corners, Tron style. Dance floor, stage to the back, bar off to the side, one of the back corners by the roof a bunch of prefab block rooms met by stairs of clinkety metal covered with reams of colored fabric wherein the managers operate. "Hallow" and "Library" and such would be in a separate room since we have the resources for it. Plus you're a matter mage; your dot of hallow could be having formed some concrete, sealed rooms closer to the Ley-source, allowing us to tap more firmly into the Supernal waters.

And damn. Was considering rotes in prime, but now I gotta redouble my efforts. Oh, and! A thing.

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Siuis, edits on the merits above. Short answer is you're fine, but I don't think you need Staff.

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Is this still going to be in a nightclub? Because I was pretty excited for that. Even when active, it's like, the perfect place for Mara to hang out. Helps that Mind is like, a super-covert Arcanum...
If you do the nightclub, do you guys want to be on the mainland, or on Macau? Both work. Macaus is more like Los Vegas, mainland is more like downtown New York.

In both cases, expect most of the club guests to be pretty desperate. Default resonance is a combo of fear, desperation, and escape. If you want to actually encourage joy, inspiration, and creativity, you'll have to go out of your way to do it.

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Cool. Hold off on Flouresce for a bit though, I'd like to have a post of nothing but the character sheet.
Already linked, I'll change it when you put up a new post.
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Headphones/music player (Mirror) - magic is life, and music is primal, the heartbeat of the soul. Intensely personal, intensely intimate, it's a shared connection among all the world.

Spray can (Cup) - magic is bringing something from nothing. Creation is charged with this truth.

Bunny hug (coin) - magic is tradition, and tradition is the cycle of history. What was once vogue will be again, and staying at the forefront is being tied to the ebb and flow of the world. And hoodies are in again, this last couple years.

Poi (sword) -*magic is the dynamic flow. The cord joins heaven and earth as the sphere orbits the dancer. The poi joins a dancer's internal form with external form, each move being reintegrated into the internal, re-expressed.

Dancing (staff) - magic is impressing yourself upon the world. There is a rhythm and flow to reality, and to be one with the Dragon's movement is to be the dragon.

Nimbus: Potency. The world seen through Flouresce's nimbus is high-octane, on an adrenaline kick. Colors are brighter, shadows starker, and you'd swear each building, animal and thing had some personality to it.

When reflecting Prudence, it is the pulse of of the world, the sanguine quiescence of a patient predator. You'll walk under the panther's tree, eventually. Until then...
The beat of the heart is a rhythm you'll dance to later. The sunlight's perfect for a task, and you'll keep at it while you're in the groove.

When reflecting Sloth, it is dispassionate. The spirit courts have seen the rise and fall of men. The tides of changing regimes. The mountain was here before the village, the buildings before this generation, or the last. We will be here when you are gone. You are trivial, and we will get to you in good time.
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Ahaha, we all succumbed to the green-eyed demon.
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Flouresce's vice is sloth, not envy.
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Flouresce's vice is sloth, not envy.
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That totally said Envy the last time I looked.

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Supplementary thought:

Vulcan has to be at fault for whatever made the Arrow come after her, and her sentence has to be an act of justice. I say this because if she's minding her own business and the Arrow kicks down her door, steals all her stuff and forces her into magical slavery then they're the bad guys.

So instead (to follow the White Collar metaphor) she stole something very valuable from them, some artifact(s), and handed them on to Mammon. Mara was the Arrow who successfully tracked her down, and the Arrow very deliberately put her on trial rather than killing her out of hand and offered her the choice of mage prison or community service.
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Vulcan has to be at fault for whatever made the Arrow come after her, and her sentence has to be an act of justice. I say this because if she's minding her own business and the Arrow kicks down her door, steals all her stuff and forces her into magical slavery then they're the bad guys.

So instead (to follow the White Collar metaphor) she stole something very valuable from them, some artifact(s), and handed them on to Mammon. Mara was the Arrow who successfully tracked her down, and the Arrow very deliberately put her on trial rather than killing her out of hand and offered her the choice of mage prison or community service.
Mmm, maybe not stole. Destroyed. Possibly through innaction or sheer ignorance, but an asset lost is a debt deeper, beacuse Vulcan could otherwise replace the object adnd ignore costs for damages.

Vulcan Destroyed several resources. A spirit court, a small hallow, possibly a banisher contact, and some finances athat were a bitch for the arrw to get into place. Flouresce would gladly have killed her upon capture... Except Vulcan did so in relation to investigating the train bombing, and Mara is the officer in charge. She stauys Flouresce's hand, and brokers a deal...
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Mmm, maybe not stole. Destroyed. Possibly through innaction or sheer ignorance, but an asset lost is a debt deeper, beacuse Vulcan could otherwise replace the object adnd ignore costs for damages.

Vulcan Destroyed several resources. A spirit court, a small hallow, possibly a banisher contact, and some finances athat were a bitch for the arrw to get into place. Flouresce would gladly have killed her upon capture... Except Vulcan did so in relation to investigating the train bombing, and Mara is the officer in charge. She stauys Flouresce's hand, and brokers a deal...
No, stole. Because if it's in the hands of Mammon she can't get it back, and if it's an artifact with significance to the Arrow then she can't replace it. She doesn't have enough money to possibly replace it.

Also stole because this way there's the possibility that she kept the thing for herself, which could prove eventful way down the road.

Nothing interesting can be done with a pile of ash.
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No, stole. Because if it's in the hands of Mammon she can't get it back, and if it's an artifact with significance to the Arrow then she can't replace it. She doesn't have enough money to possibly replace it.

Also stole because this way there's the possibility that she kept the thing for herself, which could prove eventful way down the road.

Nothing interesting can be done with a pile of ash.
Vulcan has bough empathy to know that other people value stuff which is not stuff. Enmity bough through destruction tends to supercede enmity bought through theft. From the ashes arise many things, and that Vulcan doesn't understand that could very well be the point.

I'm not sold though, so let's keep debating.
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Vulcan has bough empathy to know that other people value stuff which is not stuff. Enmity bough through destruction tends to supercede enmity bought through theft. From the ashes arise many things, and that Vulcan doesn't understand that could very well be the point.

I'm not sold though, so let's keep debating.
What? Vulcan is a materialist. She wouldn't destroy something permanently for the sole purpose of making a powerful order of wizards angry at her. What does she gain out of that? She's a supergenius and socially competent, she understands what she's doing perfectly.

What's your point?
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What? Vulcan is a materialist. She wouldn't destroy something permanently for the sole purpose of making a powerful order of wizards angry at her. What does she gain out of that? She's a supergenius and socially competent, she understands what she's doing perfectly.

What's your point?
That the events I suggested could be collateral damage far enough outside her scope of caring for her to have caused them, and then get caught by people she cannot outgun, but doesn't necessarily agree with on the severity of the punishment, thus making her imprisonment a viable solution for all parties.

This engages the party. Stealing from the arrow really only engages Mara, Which has been a consistent design choice I am altering because Mara+Vulcan, and also the guy without striking looks may be fun, but Anarion didn't sign up to run two games.

Unless DD is okay ordering around a lazy, rebellious and resentful underling. I would be okay with that but I am finding consistently that my usual level I interparty strife makes others uncomfortable, so I am avoiding it this time.


I think we are talking apples and oranges. You're basing this on Vulcan needing to feel justly punished, yes?
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That the events I suggested could be collateral damage far enough outside her scope of caring for her to have caused them, and then get caught by people she cannot outgun, but doesn't necessarily agree with on the severity of the punishment, thus making her imprisonment a viable solution for all parties.

This engages the party. Stealing from the arrow really only engages Mara, Which has been a consistent design choice I am altering because Mara+Vulcan, and also the guy without striking looks may be fun, but Anarion didn't sign up to run two games.

Unless DD is okay ordering around a lazy, rebellious and resentful underling. I would be okay with that but I am finding consistently that my usual level I interparty strife makes others uncomfortable, so I am avoiding it this time.


I think we are talking apples and oranges. You're basing this on Vulcan needing to feel justly punished, yes?
Just because my dynamic with Mara does not directly include you does not mean it's a bad dynamic and needs to be replaced. My link with your character can be entirely unrelated, and it is in fact preferable if it's not a two-verses-one situation.

If you're considering playing a lazy, rebellious and resentful underling then that's a problem. I'm not considering playing that or anything remotely like that. I'm considering playing a tame supervillain.

Urgh, look, I've been feeling extremely catty recently and I cannot understand what you're complaining about or proposing. Please say it in clear words without metaphor, abstraction or assumed knowledge.
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Urgh, look, I've been feeling extremely catty recently and I cannot understand what you're complaining about or proposing. Please say it in clear words without metaphor, abstraction or assumed knowledge.
uh, dang.

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Just because my dynamic with Mara does not directly include you does not mean it's a bad dynamic and needs to be replaced. My link with your character can be entirely unrelated, and it is in fact preferable if it's not a two-verses-one situation.

If you're considering playing a lazy, rebellious and resentful underling then that's a problem. I'm not considering playing that or anything remotely like that. I'm considering playing a tame supervillain.
I am not saying your dynamic needs to be replaced. However, the logic that you are a materialist and will react in certain fashions goes both ways - Flouresce is not a materialist. He will act in certain (differing) ways. If the cause is not a thing he cares about he will be ambivalent. Ambivalent Flouresce will do his own thing. This results in either Anarion running two separate, but overlapping games, or in Mara giving orders (or another top arrow, either/or). Flouresce's reaction to this (ambivalence) is just as noteworthy as Vulcan's projected ambivalnce towards the destruction of ephemerals. It is no less worthy a motive, which is where any cattiness on my part is seeping through. I come across as terse when both supporting a point and having to justify it.

If the thing stolen was a material item that was taken, then on the surface it would either be useful to him, and he would hold that against Vulcan, possibly dropping her in unfriendly shadow out of Darwinian trial by fire, or it's something he got that he didn't care about. The only compromise is that the event is important to Flouresce while the item is sufficiently important to Vulcan. You would have to have undone his work, which means somewhere between the free council and the Adamantine arrow, Flouresce put in footwork and elbow grease. This provides internal focus.

We also cannot have a two-in-one situation wherein the only non-mind Mage is trying to keep a secret from the other two. This just now occurred to me as a Bad Idea on my part

I thought of this a while ago, but I have a pathological dislike of edits. I do not enjoy posting something while another develops a counter argument that my post would have fixed. So I was waiting for more input before saying anything. I have no problem with playing a subtly put-out underling. I have no problem spelunking during most of my screen time. I can see how others would have a problem with it however, and am explaining the situation so no one gets blindsided by what seemed an obvious motivation in hindsight.

The note that both Mara and Vulcan have striking looks was a joke, by the way. You only do that for female characters, so Flouresce is safe
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