Judge Dredd, the Stallone version. Okay, it ain't actually a bad movie, just flashy and dumb, but it missed the point of the comics, which actually are an examination of pseudo-fascist cop movies. Hence, it is a bad subversion.
Actually bad movies which are supposed to be clever? Sucker Punch, hands down.
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If you're ever in a situation where you can't survive, go for the broke and fill all of creation with chickens. Just imagine the reaction of people halfway around the world when every square inch of space in their world is suddenly and completely full of chickens.
But there were some actual funny jokes in that 3.5 hours. I don't think I have ever laughed at an F&S movie.
The only times I laughed during those whole 3.5 hours were shots of the horrible CGI spaceships* and I think maybe one other time and I forget what.
*Yeah, I know the the special was made on a very limited budget and those were the best effects they could get, but still, the images of the spacecrafts were laughably unrealistic.
Oh but on topic: what Soras said--truly great parodies feel almost/actually loving. They aren't just saying "look how dumb this is," they are poking fun at the foibles of a beloved property/genre.
Which is why Young Frankenstein is a good parody, and Epic Movie (or Meet the Spartans, or Date Movie, or Scary Movie 3/4...) is not.
I think you're taking it a bit too seriously and are a bit too defensive of anime. More to the point given the nerd generation that the majority of futurama's writers came from they were most likely parodying anime that they grew up on rather than what is around right now. Just like the video game segment wasn't about Gears of War and Wii Sports, but was about games that were far older. It is an episode about the past and silly things that come from it.
Well I didn't think that much of the other segments either, real diminishing returns that episode... how yes I'm almost certainly biased.
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I'd say if you want some sort of she-hulk woman who defeats people in a single punch then she should look the part and be muscular enough to actually do said punching. There are muscular women out there hollywood simply doesn't hire them. Either that or have the slim waifs use fighting styles that emphasize speed and mobility due to their massive lack of muscle mass, and just generally try to not be hit during the fights.
A reasonable idea but perhaps a little easier said then done. Depending on the specifics involve you could quickly start talking a fairly limited spread of women with the above average height, mass, and shoulders to pull off that look. She Hulk even by comic book's exaggerated standards is an exception.
Also your last bit largely describes waif-fu pretty well...
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Umm when and where, just curious?
It would be hard for the movie to actually be farther from the book. No rather that would probably be better. It possibly the worst possible "parody" because it essentially lies about its material's point of view and entire operating methodology by going almost exactly opposite of it.
In the movie the drill sergeanant throws a knife through someone's hand and spouts Full Metal Jacket all over again. In the book while the drill instructor does break an arm at one point its mostly by accident and treated as such, and he actually stops to explain and educate on why he does things he does, and why the military in general does things it does.
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For another example, while the movie version is basically brainwashing the entire planet toward military service, the book uses a multiple amputee with the crudest possible prosthetics as the greeter at the recruiting station, to scare away most recruits.
Well I didn't think that much of the other segments either, real diminishing returns that episode... how yes I'm almost certainly biased.
I thought it was fairly mediocre as far as futurama too but not because it poorly researched, just so of short on the funny.
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A reasonable idea but perhaps a little easier said then done. Depending on the specifics involve you could quickly start talking a fairly limited spread of women with the above average height, mass, and shoulders to pull off that look. She Hulk even by comic book's exaggerated standards is an exception.
Also your last bit largely describes waif-fu pretty well...
Given how often hollywood finds women several standard deviations from the norm when selecting for other attributes I don't think it would be too hard. Now it would be difficult to change the overall culture of Hollywood to make it happen but we're just speaking on broad practicality here.
Then again there is also the option of just giving women guns. The great equalizer.
The subversion I've always loathed was The Cold Equations. In order to subvert the "Science always saves the day!" trope of contemporay science fiction, the author set up a situation so contrived that, not only would preventing the girl's death be extremely trivial, the sort of mission described in the story would nearly always fail due to elementary engineering. Besides that, there was enough explicitly-identified junk in the ship to make up the 40-80 kg of mass that the girl took up.
Also, if the ship really was carrying the exact calculated amount of fuel to make the trip given its precise measured mass, then it's too late for ejecting the girl to do anything, because the ship already burned extra fuel taking off with her on it.
And of course, even if they let the ship crash, the speed of impact would be a few m/s at most. You know, because adding a single human's mass onto a starship results in a comparably minuscule change in how the physics play out.
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That's quite true, but trivial. If they calculated the fuel so precisely, then the ship would be guaranteed to crash. It is a physical impossibility to keep your engines on such a tight tolerance that 80 kilos of mass on a ship large enough to walk around in would be fatal.
Your Highness, a high fantasy 'parody'. The one and only time I've considered walking out of a movie theater.
That was pretty terrible. I only got through the first third of it before I gave up.
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Blockbuster Buster. He reviews stuff on ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.com. Personally I've watched a few of his episodes and I don't find him all that funny or interesting. But I figure, hey, some folks do and he isn't actively wrong or dumb like other reviewers I've glanced through.
Dr. Epic however seems to hate his guts with a passion that is both disturbing and confusing when pointed at a rather harmless internet reviewer. I've seen him bring up his hatred of the guy for absolutely no reason and just rant about how horrible he is. Don't know why exactly, but then I've more or less stopped trying to figure Dr. Epic out.
I don't think SpaceBalls is a good parody. Very few of the jokes actually satirize Star wars, and most of them are crude and juvenile.
I still find SpaceBall sufficiently funny and discretely good (some gags are absolute masterpieces, but on the whole the film's quality is frayed), but yeah, crude jokes are not strange to Brooks. When there are too many, it becomes annoying.
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Spaceballs is one of Brooks' worst but I wouldn't call it terrible. I find it perfectly watchable, and with a few really cool ideas and gags. Overall it seems to be his least deliberate film, with jokes drifting in and drifting out with no real rhyme or reason. "We've been jammed" is still great though.
If you're ever in a situation where you can't survive, go for the broke and fill all of creation with chickens. Just imagine the reaction of people halfway around the world when every square inch of space in their world is suddenly and completely full of chickens.
Spaceballs is one of Brooks' worst but I wouldn't call it terrible. I find it perfectly watchable, and with a few really cool ideas and gags. Overall it seems to be his least deliberate film, with jokes drifting in and drifting out with no real rhyme or reason. "We've been jammed" is still great though.
It's still leagues above that animated cash cow of a show G4 slapped together to make a quick buck.
Spaceballs is one of Brooks' worst but I wouldn't call it terrible. I find it perfectly watchable, and with a few really cool ideas and gags. Overall it seems to be his least deliberate film, with jokes drifting in and drifting out with no real rhyme or reason. "We've been jammed" is still great though.
Honestly I'm not a fan of the more blatant sexual humor. But I burst out laughing at "It's Megamaid! She's gone from suck to blow!"
I kind of like the throw every joke you can think of in style of the movie. While I'll admit it's no Blazing Saddles, or Young Frankenstein I still think it's pretty funny.
Actually, me and my brother still sometimes joke about "Preparing to fast forward" and "When will then be now?"
Spaceballs is not a good parody but it is still a pretty funny comedy.
"How many A**holes we got on this ship?!"
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I'm of the category that believes Robin Hood: Men In Tights is a superior comedy to Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles or Spaceballs. I love that film. And I think it's definitely a fantastic parody - the tagline says it all. "The Legend Had It Coming". It does a fantastic job of taking off so many of the Robin Hood cliches, especially Kevin Costner's Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves.
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I don't think SpaceBalls is a good parody. Very few of the jokes actually satirize Star wars, and most of them are crude and juvenile.
*sues*
Seriously do you think there were some jokes they missed?
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I'm of the category that believes Robin Hood: Men In Tights is a superior comedy to Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles or Spaceballs. I love that film. And I think it's definitely a fantastic parody - the tagline says it all. "The Legend Had It Coming". It does a fantastic job of taking off so many of the Robin Hood cliches, especially Kevin Costner's Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves.
Besides their Robin Hood can speak with an English accent.
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