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Most LoC end games do in fact involve grand plots such as "destroy creation to let it begin anew" they also involve storylines such as "Team up to imprison or kill the god that wished to destroy the universe" other end games include stuff like "Chocolate!"
Yeah. As above, most LoC games I've seen end in the death, destruction etc as a way of capstoning it.
Also Game =/= Universe. The Uncreation event could happen millennia after the last IC post
All of the game could be entirely in the Rise, without the Wilting.
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My concern isn't so much that he has a character whose goal is to destroy the universe. Personally I think that there would be plenty of players involved in preventing him from doing so if he attempted that before everybody was ready to quit. My beef is with the fluff of how it's all going down and how, since he is just stating that outside of the game, it's simply a fact that can't be changed in any way shape or form. Would Dinfale be happy about the Universe imploding? Most certainly not. Would he be disappointed that his rule has come to an end and he must simply be one among many beings residing in whatever form the final afterlife takes? Probably, though, as a god he would know that sometimes things just have to change. However, would I, as a player, be willing to jump into a game where I know, as an absolute fact, that no matter how hard my character tries he cannot prevent his and everyone else's complete and utter destruction? Eh....maybe. But certainly not as enthusiastically.
Basically what I'm saying is that I'd personally prefer the specifics of how it all goes down to be up for grabs rather than simply everything MUST be uncreated, because that's just "how it is." I'm not arguing against the "existence of the struggle", just the "inevitability of the struggle being doomed on ALL fronts," if you see what I mean.
You know, I EVEN do like the idea. I mean, we have delusionar and primordal force of true evil and a act of a great magic, which can bring the Universe to cold and chaotic end...
BUT maybe (only maybe :-P) lonely and insane "Cthulhu" should BELIEVE in this inevitable end and when we will develop the plot we should see if this will suit our world?
Also, THE VERY END OF UNIVERSE is NOT the end of game (somebody has written it, yes?). The end of game can be "and they lived long and happy life" and THE VERY END OF UNIVERSE will pass in a matter of... eons? Something like in Lovecraft's novels. Cthulhu is there, but will devour world in diiiiiistance future.
My concern isn't so much that he has a character whose goal is to destroy the universe. Personally I think that there would be plenty of players involved in preventing him from doing so if he attempted that before everybody was ready to quit. My beef is with the fluff of how it's all going down and how, since he is just stating that outside of the game, it's simply a fact that can't be changed in any way shape or form. Would Dinfale be happy about the Universe imploding? Most certainly not. Would he be disappointed that his rule has come to an end and he must simply be one among many beings residing in whatever form the final afterlife takes? Probably, though, as a god he would know that sometimes things just have to change. However, would I, as a player, be willing to jump into a game where I know, as an absolute fact, that no matter how hard my character tries he cannot prevent his and everyone else's complete and utter destruction? Eh....maybe. But certainly not as enthusiastically.
Basically what I'm saying is that I'd personally prefer the specifics of how it all goes down to be up for grabs rather than simply everything MUST be uncreated, because that's just "how it is." I'm not arguing against the "existence of the struggle", just the "inevitability of the struggle being doomed on ALL fronts," if you see what I mean.
There is no accepted fluff of what happens after the game "ends"
Life could go on
All Life could end.
Culture could evolve.
It could Devolve
Basically no one knows, but they could hypothesize. His god could actually believe the world will end inevitability (I played a god similar - although she argued for inevitable eternal sameness), doesn't make it true. In essence it could be true - no one knows. Unless a god actually makes it so - the finality of existence in game is a matter of the unknown.
There is no accepted fluff of what happens after the game "ends"
Life could go on
All Life could end.
Culture could evolve.
It could Devolve
Basically no one knows, but they could hypothesize. His god could actually believe the world will end inevitability (I played a god similar - although she argued for inevitable eternal sameness), doesn't make it true. In essence it could be true - no one knows. Unless a god actually makes it so - the finality of existence in game is a matter of the unknown.
Alright.
So, there is some discussion about the beginning of the game, and the original 4 deities ruling over Earth, Sea, Sky, and Underworld, and how that interacts with the sibling/rivals of Vintra and Tarvin.
For my concept of the two, a few things need to be true.
-They must come from the same source, at the same time. Preferably, this would be "Creation", but if not, then the same progenitor deity. They are siblings. They hate each other, but they are siblings.
-If one rules one of the Big Four, the other must as well. They are equal and opposing forces.
-The idea that Tarvin is Vintra's son is right out.
-If Vintra is Queen of Underworld, Tarvin should be King of Earth or Sky.
Now, I note some troubles with this.
-Urs Ignatus does not make sense as a ruler of Sea or Sky.
-Mr. Longname Magic Man doesn't make sense as a ruler of Earth or Sea.
-Tarvin does not make sense as a ruler of Sea.
Does anyone have a solution here?
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Might as well get this up! Not looking to be the God of Wind.
Name: Aeolus
Played By: ChrisClark13
Domains (Portfolios): Trickery (Fun), Freedom (Wind)
Theme: Trickster God, Griffon
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Attack: 4d6
Defense: 3d6
HP: 3d6
Description: Taking the form of a griffon, often times wearing fancy clothes and he always wears a hat. Aeolus tends to do things for well... the fun of it! His pranks aren't usually something that a regular mortal could reverse or fix all the way, but are things that another god could reverse. Like swapping someone's mind with their cat, changing gender of a mortal, and other shenanigans. He assumes that if it's funny to him, it must be funny to the other gods right?
When interacting with other gods he makes jokes, poking fun at them and himself, coming off as being not serious about much of anything. He sometimes raises his voice if he's passionate about something, though he may or may not still be actually joking.
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Why not have this:
Unspoken: Horror of the Sea
Tarvin: King of Sky
Vintra: Monarch of The Underworld
Urs ignatus: Lord of Earth
Bryn's god: Heir of The Creator
Creator made the 5, not 4 with all but Bryn gaining a Land. Bryn becoming a kore general god, dealing with all 4 not just 1 Land
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Big question - what about portfolios? If our Gods start as gods of Magic, Stars, Afterlife etc. it means the concepts are created simultaneously with our Gods, or we must create them? I'm just wondering, I'm new in the system.
Might as well get this up! Not looking to be the God of Wind.
Name: Aeolus
Played By: ChrisClark13
Domains (Portfolios): Trickery (Fun), Freedom (Wind)
Theme: Trickster God, Griffon
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Attack: 4d6
Defense: 3d6
HP: 3d6
Description: Taking the form of a griffon, often times wearing fancy clothes and he always wears a hat. Aeolus tends to do things for well... the fun of it! His pranks aren't usually something that a regular mortal could reverse or fix all the way, but are things that another god could reverse. Like swapping someone's mind with their cat, changing gender of a mortal, and other shenanigans. He assumes that if it's funny to him, it must be funny to the other gods right?
When interacting with other gods he makes jokes, poking fun at them and himself, coming off as being not serious about much of anything. He sometimes raises his voice if he's passionate about something, though he may or may not still be actually joking.
My god:
Name: Suloea, Contessa of Wings
Played By: Mystic1110
Domains (Portfolios): Animal (Winged Animals), Darkness (Shadows)
Theme: A Despot in the form of multitude of birds
Alignment: Lawful Evil
Attack: 3d6
Defense: 4d6
HP: 30
Description:
Suloea is the sister of Aeolus. Unlike her brother, she is not in it for the fun of. No she is quite serious. She exists as a huge flock of birds, constantly flapping and flying together as a ball, each bird is a part of her, and when attacked they scatter. She is the mistress of anything that flies, and anything that her shadows cover. Her brother annoys her very much - he could be so noble if he so chose, and rule the skies with her, but instead he just prances around. So being the reasonable one she has to make the laws, ruthlessly enforce them, make a nobility, a civilization, collect tithes and taxes.
Name: Nordul Played By: Eshkigal Domains (Portfolios): Agriculture (Plants), Stone(Protection) Theme: Lord of Plants, the Stone Shell. Alignment: Neutral Good Attack: 1d6 Defense: 5d6 HP: 4d6 Description: Nordul was born from the soil, taking the form of a great tortoise with plant life growing from between the cracks of his stonelike shell. His muscles formed of the most flexible and sturdy of trees, his scales carved of marble and granite, his might is used to try and nurture the young races. Invoking his name is fairly common for those seeking to protect what is dear to them, or those seeking safety.
Name: Kargath, The Obsidian Warmonger
Played By: Umbranar
Domains (Portfolios): Earth (Landscape), War (survival)
Theme: Elemental Warmonger (as the title suggests)
Unholy Symbol: A stone fist slamming the "Ground" (as far as a unholy symbol goes)
Alignment: Neutral Evil
Attack: 4d6
Defense: 1d6
HP: 50
Description: Kargath as a creature made of obsidian with a roughly humanoid shape. Kargath has a dark blue eye in the center of what would be its head (as an elemental being, gender is irrelevant) . The eye glows faintly and pulse when it speaks and it always refers to itself in 3rd person. Kargath sees Earth as the superior element as it is the foundation on which the other elements reside.
Nothing pleases it more then a creature fighting for its very survival and war is the ultimate battle for survival. Kargath does not care about the outcome, as long as there is strife.
Okay, lots of posts, so trying to get through this as quickly and effeciently as possible.
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A game.... run by one of my favorite players!? I LOVE HOW YOU SET IT UP! If you want another moderator I'll be down - the rules are mine after all .
I will take the domain of sky unless that is already taken... actually what may be interesting is so far each game we played I played either your progenitor or an otherworldly... city. Why don't I play this game as your spawn instead? If you can give me a character description of your own - I will make a character that will thematically come from you.
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Name:Atris Played By: kopout Domains (Portfolios): knowlage(secrets of imortality) Life (imortality) Theme:Live forever Alignment: TN Attack: 1d6 Defense: 3d6 HP: 6d6 Description:
Ever since humans have existed they have died. This is a sad fact of life. However, being humans they have also always wanted to prevent this fate and have taken strides to prevent it. Atris was born of these efforts. Some say not everyone deserves to life forever, they are probably right but Atris couldn’t care less, she exists to guide those who would defy their own mortality.
Both the knowledge and life domains have been claimed. I'm sorry.
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Posting interest as The Arcane Horror of the Deep.
[spoiler]Name: The Unspoken, Uncreation, The Deep One, That which resides below the waves of Sanity, [Redacted]
Played by: Necron
Domains: Magic (Arcane), Water (The Depths)
Alignment: Lawful Evil
Theme: The End. The insane horror that knows Creation and Uncreation are linked
Attack: 4D6
Defence: 3D6
HP: 30
Progenitor: The Creation
Description:
The Unspoken is the flip side of the coin. For every action is an equal but opposite reaction. He was born under the lapping of water filling the vast expanse between Nothing and Land, above the Underworld where those of the Dead go before their eventual Uncreation with the rest of Creation and below the infinite Sky.
And there he dwells, never leaving physically for to look upon Uncreation made manifest is to be Uncreated instead forming a Godly Avatar, a being made of Created Uncreation possessed by the essence of the Unspoken to allow interaction outside the Depths.
Calling dibs is fine. Just don't expect terribly to actually get it.
Otherwise, I approve of the Unspoken. EDIT: OH WAIT NO. I don't like the idea of Magic (Arcana) as a portfolio and domain. It is a bit too broad. If we fail to come up with a better idea, however, I won't outright nix it.
Okay, so maybe Underworld was a bad title. I know I don't really have any much more information written down, so it was probably difficult for anyone to tell, but by Underworld I guess I really meant Underdark. It's the tunnels beneath the earth with lava and ore and all that jazz, rather than an actual Underworld of dead people (well, maybe, but not at the beginning).
Personally, I see the four original gods as; Waabishikigookoo'ko (Skies), Dinfale (Earth), Urs Ignatus (Underdark), the Unspoken (Sea). I really would not like to claim myself as the heir to all other gods, but rather be their equal. With my god, I plan on creating stars (as a race that lives in the sky) and am thinking that perhaps Vintra and Tarvin can be "ascended" stars. I really don't find it much appropriate that either of them be one of the four original gods, honestly. Neither of them strike that profile, and claiming two spots to balance a themetic... balance seems... unbalanced.
@chrisclark13, Aelous is approved. Not sure who can be your progenitor, maybe my god doesn't seem like the best choice? Also, try not to be too silly when it comes to a trickster god. It makes them easy targets.
@mystic1111, Approved, obviously. And maybe actually I could spawn both yours and chrisclark13's character. But that's an awful lot of twins.
@Eshkigal, Nordul is approved. Go forth and be prosperous.
@Umbranar, Yes. You are approved. I actually like this a lot.
Okay I'll judge gods and how I think they should be created as part of four families
SKY
@ Waabishikigookoo'ko: Name is really hard to say - we need to give you a title or something to refer to you as. Also I know you're going all mysterious and you play well regardless - but in the interest of equal treatment - we probably need to know more about your gods views.
@ Aeolus and myself: Approved as Prince and Princess of the Sky. We don't have to be siblings... Aerlous could also be born of Dinfale. instead
UnderDark
@Urs Ignatus, The Towering Forge: reminds me or a much more benevolent version of a god I play - a living city while you are a living forge and tower. I love it. Approved as King of the Underdark...
I agree with Byrn that It might be good NOT to have the fae royalty be the original four gods and instead be twins born to the god of the Underdark. Both Vintra and Tarvin are Approved as Princess and Princess of the the Underdark. Urs Ignatus will create you both. Obviously your characters ma still call themselves kings and queens
Earth
@ Dinfale, the Visitor: A wandering king of the Earth... perfect. Approved as King of the Earth.
@ Atris: please change domains as they are taken.
@Nordul: Approved as Prince of the Earth
@Kargath: Approved as Prince of the Earth
Sea
@ The Unspoken: Agreed with byrn - Magic(arcane) is really broad... it usually means that the god tries to become god of all magic and lots of OoC arguments ensue. On the other hand I like your god as Cthulu - but with actual social skills
@ Drexoroth: He's a pirate: what's not to like... I do not mind more than one trickster gods... Approved as Prince of the Sea
bryn, mystic... why would you do this to me? Why? Do you know how hard it is to keep track of 3 different gods at once? Do you know how hard it is to turn down another opportunity to play a God game with you guys?
Sharing domains is fine. It is sharing portfolios that is not.
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OOOOOOOH!! Sweet, I got picked as king of the Earth! Has a nice ring to it! I guess though I'll need to change his progenitor to "the Creation" since it wouldn't be right for one of the original lords of the "lands" to be birthed by another one. It's ok though, I have no doubt that the two of us will get along juuuuust fine!
Sharing domains is fine. It is sharing portfolios that is not.
As everything - it's up to mod discretion. I think we are both ok, for people to pick up and share domains in the future but to start off we are looking for more diversity.
Where can I find the rules for this game? I am assuming it is a game with its own pdf or book, since the op doesn't have rules on how to create gods and so forth.
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Where can I find the rules for this game? I am assuming it is a game with its own pdf or book, since the op doesn't have rules on how to create gods and so forth.
The Op has rules in spoiler tags and character creation is a couple posts down... also in spoiler tags.
Any room for a magic hating god of industry and/or scientific progress?
Will possibly post a submission later once I figure out if I can afford to fit another LOC game into my schedule.
Be interesting as another Prince of Earth (Brother of Nordul?) or Underdark? Sky and sea don't really make much sense... or you may be third generation?
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