Misfits Company (OOC)

[appending_doom]

Okay, here we go. I've got everyone's sheets here. Before we begin, I want (a) for everyone to make sure their 10-minute background is to be found on their sheet, and (b) for anyone to address any lingering issues with your builds, sheets, items, etc, I may have brought up in the recruitment thread.

Magnera - Fraan, human ghost warrior
Medic! - Clyde, Warlock pseudodragon
Cyborg - Garam, some sort of cyborg punching machine.
Blue Lantern - Lord Reuel, fairy fairy sorcerer (magically delicious)

In particular, Garam, please make the adjustments to your saves, and everyone, get your backgrounds on your sheets.

[Medic!]

Fistanperaclesiasticlyde will speak in Deep Sky Blue...of course it's all in your head!

[Blue Lantern]

To keep the theme (almost) running let's go with SeaGreen the sheet should be complete.

By the way I didn't mentioned it before but I "clipped" the wing that the template should grant so no fly speed.

[Magnera]

Fraan is going to chat in Navy.

Oh yeah, my sheet got half deleted so I replaced everything to the best of my ability. Also before the game begins, can I change out glitterdust for whirling blade? And maybe web for wings of cover, but I would need a ruling for being incorporeal regarding its miss chance and then having full cover. The spells seem to fit better with my fighting concept in comparison to standing back and casting a spell.

EDIT: I think nobody qualifies as a suitable target for enlarge person... i'm going to go check that out.

After checking it out, turns out we are either undead, construct, dragon or outsider. So no we dont qualify for that too... Ill have to exchange enlarge person for something else then.

[Blue Lantern]

Not to mention thet you can not deliver touch spells to non incorporeal targets.

[appending_doom]

Originally Posted by Blue Lantern

Not to mention thet you can not deliver touch spells to non incorporeal targets.

Huh.

A manifested ghost’s touch spells don’t work on nonethereal targets.

Anyway, sent a PM to cyborg to see if the warforged is still in.

[Magnera]

Originally Posted by Blue Lantern

Not to mention thet you can not deliver touch spells to non incorporeal targets.

And yet we can use our own touch attacks to attack them. Where did you get that rule? Besides, Ghostly grasp overrules. I can interact with corpreal objects when ever I like. How ever I'm limited by my strength score regarding my interactions. Thankfuly telekinesis helps me with more heavy objects.

So a neat little thing that happened. My RL DM ran my character against a dread wraith/sorrceror 4. Damn shatter scroll... Anyway it was a close battle but Fraan came out on top. I am soooooooo thankful for divine might.
I think he still has that battle written down somewhere...

[Blue Lantern]

Corporeal object as in items, the feat does not say anything about delivering spells to corporeal 'creatures' (note the emphasis)
That said I really don't want to enter in another endless debate about ambiguous rulings or "it's only logical it works that way" statements and leave it to DM interpretation.
Personally, were I the DM, I will not make it pass.

And that rule is in the SRD, quoted by appending_doom, as I said I confuded ethereal with incorporeal.

[Magnera]

Originally Posted by Blue Lantern

Corporeal object as in items, the feat does not say anything about delivering spells to corporeal 'creatures' (note the emphasis)
That said I really don't want to enter in another endless debate about ambiguous rulings or "it's only logical it works that way" statements and leave it to DM interpretation.
Personally, were I the DM, I will not make it pass.

And that rule is in the SRD, quoted by appending_doom, as I said I confuded ethereal with incorporeal.

I agree with most of what you say. Mostly the fact that you are wise enough not to debate it. Not in the sense that you may not win like a few here would read it as, but in the sense that such arguing is trully pointless. I'm glad to know that there are people who choose not to argue and simply let others handle it. For that I respect you.

EDIT:So after rereading ghostly grasp I can definitely see your side of the argument. Thankfully im not really going to be using touch spells on anyone so we probably wont have to make a ruling for awhile.

[appending_doom]

Okay, I previously declared that a manifesting (that is, incorporeal, rather than ethereal) ghost paladin could use his lay on hands ability to assist allies.

Given the nature of the party's available resources, and the fact that this decision may have had substantial effect on your decision-making, I will stand by it.

As an extension, I will allow your manifesting ghost to use touch spells as normal. I keep the right to decide later on that it is a function of Ghostly Grasp, something common to all ghosts, or anything in between.

However, and this is sort of important, Ghostly Grasp allows you to wield material objects (which I will define as the spell descriptions do). It does not allow you to function normally in combat with corporeal foes - you cannot make bull rush, grapple, or overrun attacks, because you lack the materiality to effectively push them. You may use these attacks on ethereal foes, and you can mimic some of these effects with your telekinesis ability (and may benefit from Master of the Unseen Hand from Complete Warrior).

[Cyborg Mage]

Pretty sure I got the saves and all fixed.

[Magnera]

Wonderful! As useful as that ruling is, there is still my original request. I would like to exchange my spells of glitterdust, web and enlarge person for whirling blade, wings of cover and one other first level spell respectively.

Also how does total cover work with me being incorpreal?

[appending_doom]

Originally Posted by Magnera

Wonderful! As useful as that ruling is, there is still my original request. I would like to exchange my spells of glitterdust, web and enlarge person for whirling blade, wings of cover and one other first level spell respectively.

Also how does total cover work with me being incorpreal?

You can switch them out; based on various fluff considerations, I'm not going to allow Races of the Dragon/Dragon Magic spells for the start.

Total cover gives you a 50% miss chance against anything that does not ignore total cover. If the attack is subject to both incorporeal miss chance and cover, two rolls are made.

See this

[appending_doom]

Originally Posted by Cyborg Mage

Pretty sure I got the saves and all fixed.

No, you don't seem to have done so.

As you are a Fighter/Warblade, your base Fortitude save should be 2 + (1/2 * 9) = 6, so your total save should be +7

As you are a Monk/Egoist, your base Will save should be 2 + (1/2 * 9) = 6, so your total save should be +4

As you are a monk 2 / something else 7, your base reflex save should be 2 + (1/2 * 2) + (1/3 * 7) = +5, so your total save would be +7

[Magnera]

So then the way we should calculate our fractional saves is by using the equation of 2 + (1/2*L) + (1/3*V) = T
Where L is the number of levels taken in a class with a good save, V is the number of levels of a class taken with a poor save and T is the result?

[Blue Lantern]

Almost, the +2 is only added if you have at least one level in a class with a Good save.
Example Rogue 5

Saves would be
Fort: (1/3)*5 = 1 +(2/3)
Ref: 2+(1/2)*5 = 4 +(1/2)
Will: (1/3)*5 = 1 +(2/3)

If you then took 5 figher levels you would have

Saves would be
Fort: (1/3)*5 + 2+ (1/2)*5 = 6 +(5/6)
Ref: 2+(1/2)*5 + (1/3)*5 = 6 +(5/6)
Will: (1/3)*10 = 3 +(1/3)

[Magnera]

I see...
Well I'm going to take the time right now to explain what my character will do over all.

-Firstly is the falchion: with my feat of improved critical the falchion has a 15-20 critical. Making for some useful extra damage.

-I'll most likely charge on in with my whirling frenzy barbarian variant using rhino's rush, power attack, charging smite, sadism, divine might and praying for a critical. Afterwards I'll full attack, mixing normal attacks with draining touch every now and then.

- I can float into the ground and scout ahead, take a look at the insides of a trap, look through doors, look through walls...etc

-When we need to do something at range I can use telekinesis to have an effect upon the battle.

-Next level I'll count as sorcerer 10 regarding spells. How ever they will primarily be used to buff or battlefield control.

-I have mercantile background and landlord for an airship and extra spending money.

-Lay on hands will heal anyone that needs it, even healing some status effects. Along with my healing belt for healing after battles and having an amulet of retributive healing to give to someone will make healing better for all of us.

[Cyborg Mage]

Saves altered. You don't seem to have taken into account my penalty for Meager Fortitude on my Fort save and my insight bonus for Battle Clarity, which I have filed under Misc for ease of use. I'll get to work on that background now.

[Magnera]

I think we died. Im waiting on the DM to post the IC so we can start

[Cyborg Mage]

This is my fault, probably. Being really procrastinate-y with the background and all.

Feel free to start without me and introduce Garamn a little later if you guys would rather get started. Sorry for dragging this behind.

[appending_doom]

Yes, I was waiting for Cyborg. Cyborg, don't worry about joining in, although I'd like you to get a move on with the background shortly.

IC is here, so go ahead and post.

(Also, remember you've got 9 action points, all, IIRC).

[appending_doom]

Well, everyone roll spot checks.

And Cyborg, I did say you can go ahead and post.

[Medic!]

Spot - (1d20+10)[11]

I'll be sans-interneto for the next like...11 hours, or so, fair warning

[Blue Lantern]

(1d20+15)[24] I spy with my little eye

[appending_doom]

Fun fact: the robot is the only party member who can't see in the dark.

EDIT: Naturally, I mean, given his knowledge of touchsight

[appending_doom]

Medic, are you on the elf or robot's shoulders? Or, conversely, Cyborg, Blue, which of you would be more okay with having a tiny dragon on your shoulders all the time?

[Magnera]

(1d20)[9]
hmmmm I dont think I can really see anything with this check.

[Medic!]

For decision's sake, let's go with the elf!

[Blue Lantern]

The elf (sort of) will of course request a suitable rent in the form of pockets of stardust and souls of kittens... Nothing is free with the fey

[appending_doom]

The elf could also make a decision about whether to investigate the plot hook or go straight home to bed.