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Old 11-10-2012, 01:21 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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Default Making the Flash in Scion

I don't have any experience with the system but it looks really cool. I was just wondering if it was possible to make a Flash like character with super speed and powers resulting from that. (And I do know that M&M would be a much easier way to do this, just curiosity asking if it's possible in Scion)
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:58 AM   Top  -  End  -  #2
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It is possible to make a character go that fast. You'd just need to focus on Dexterity, Epic Dexterity, and the Psychocomp purview. Assuming your chracter is a legend 12 God with Dexterity 12, Epic Dexterity 10, the Lightning Sprinter knack, the As Fast as Thought knack, and the Marathon Sprinter boon, your character would be able to go 4500 miles per hour.
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Default Re: Making the Flash in Scion

Sure. Just using the basic stuff:

A Legend 4 character can dash 38 yards a second (77.7 mph) with Dexterity 5, Epic Dexterity 3, and the Lightning Sprinter knack.

A Legend 8 character can dash 580 yards a second (1,186.4 mph) with Dex 8, Epic Dex 7, Lightning Sprinter, and the Marathon Sprinter boon. You also break the sound barrier at this point.

A Legend 12 can dash 1110 yards a second (2,270.5 mph) with Dex 12, Epic Dex 10, Lightning Sprinter, and Marathon Sprinter. Ultimate Dexterity gives you ten free ticks to act in, so you could move 6.3 miles so fast that not even other gods could see you. Or you could just activate the Avatar of Psychopomp and move faster than light.

This, incidentally, neatly illustrates Scion's problems with scaling!

EDIT: Oh man, I forgot As Fast as Thought. That doubles all of the values given previously.
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:16 AM   Top  -  End  -  #4
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Default Re: Making the Flash in Scion

So maybe not Flash, except with Avatars, but certainly Quicksilver.

Even a starting character with Epic Dex 3, Dex 5 and both the knacks is going at 150mph. That's pretty fast!
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your character would be able to go 4500 miles per hour.
Which I should point out is nothing to the Flash, as depicted in comics.

Tamer depictions can approach the speed of light, which is 670,616,629 in miles per hour.

Top end depictions perform actions that would be impossible without being able to move at thousands of times the speed of light, such as seeing a Nuke start to go off and managing to react well enough to carry everyone in the city to a safe distance one at a time.

...Basically, his high end depictions are only really modelable by answering "Yes" to any questions involving whether or not he's fast enough to do something.

Yes, this does make him horribly broken when he's not being constrained by comic logic and things happening purely because the plot says they have to. Being so fast that your opponents are as statues to you is an incredibly unfair advantage when it's taken to it's logical conclusions rather than just making him struggle to fight a guy who throws boomerangs because that guy is on his list of recurring villains.
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Yes, this does make him horribly broken when he's not being constrained by comic logic and things happening purely because the plot says they have to. Being so fast that your opponents are as statues to you is an incredibly unfair advantage when it's taken to it's logical conclusions rather than just making him struggle to fight a guy who throws boomerangs because that guy is on his list of recurring villains.
Curiously, Scion is capable of doing the latter even though it has trouble matching ground speed; someone with Epic Dexterity 10 is pretty much untouchable by anyone who doesn't have a comparable amount.

As for making a character based off the Flash: in theory, yeah, you definitely can. However, in practice it might be difficult, because of the way Legend limits what you can take. A starting character could have up to Legend 4 (if you're willing to spend nearly all of your bonus points on it), but even so you can only put 3 points into Epic Dexterity. You have 7 other points to spend on Boons and Epic Attributes. You could put some in Epic Wits, maybe, to reflect being able to think faster as well, and the Psychopomp Purview has a few Boons that might be helpful; but at some point you'll probably end up with powers unrelated to superspeed. The system isn't really set up to let you focus on one thing like this.
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