I just don't have the words to express myself, here. I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OVER! What are they gonna do, bring Megatron back to life AGAIN?
I wish they would, actually. I hated the way he went out like a punk in Dark of the Moon. Especially since he basically spent the whole movie sulking.
Anyway, let the speculation BEGIN!
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My speculation is that the TF fandom will cry out that this movie ruined Transformers forever, but they'll actually be right this time. Just like with the previous three movies.
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Well, based on that last three movies, the first half will be nothing but lame, crude, unfunny, cliche comic relief most likely riddled with stereotypes. Then the final hour or so will be one, overly long, confusing action scene followed by Michael Bay somehow tricking the American public out of approximately 1 billion dollars. Am I wrong?
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Unfortunately, this was already a known factor; it was mentioned not long after the last movie they were planning to make a forth.
One idiot from the somewhere in the hierarchy of studio or people in charge or something was even scoffing at the idea of making a Transformers movie with no humans in it (or even the focus on the Transformers instead of the human characters), saying that was never going to be done. (I'd find the quote if I could, but it's lost beyond my ability to google-fu it in the landslide of new information.) I remembered it because I was nearly stunned by how utterly one could miss the point.
Though at the time, it wasn't certain Bay was directing.
It's odd really, Bayformers were entertaining in a way when I first saw them at the cinema, but then the fridge-stupid hit and they rather lost what lustre they had. Well, except for the last one, which I think I knew it had hit rock bottom, as I sat watching Labouf's pointless angst and thought "what has this got to do with anything? Why, in a Transformers movie, am I watching a complete pillock fail to get a job?" It was the most damnable of things: boring.
So I'll be cynical, to say the least, about this one.
It never fails to astound me why people keep putting humans so centrally in Transformers; for me at least, even as a child, the humans were just getting in the way of the interesting characters (y'know, the actual Transformers).
"Relatability" as a concept (i.e. "we must include human kids ina Transformers cartoon because Relatability") needs to go die in a fire. A character that is well-written and protrayed is a good character regardless of what species it is, and it would be nice if Hollywood get that fact into their empty skulls...
(I mean, the American miltary guy and his team would have made better human protagonists, if we had to have them. Yes, even with the eye-rolling "American Military Must Save The Day" thing, if they had been the only human characters, I'd have been okay with it. But the "protagonists"... really were not good at all. They had WELL worn out their welcome by the second movie, let alone the third. So that is sorta maybe good news. Ish. Kinda.)
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Perhaps they'll cut out the Autobots altogether now. Just have Wahlberg and the Eaglelander brigade -- which will inexplicably include John Turturro, John Malkovich, *and an underwear model -- fly into space on a top-secret NASA shuttle to plant explosives on Unicron before it eats our planet.
Then 'sploshuns.
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I actually love these movies. Yes, they're total crap and there's no ambiguity there but there's something so goofy and kitschy about them that I'm just drawn to. Pure escapism. Definitely going to see this one.
My speculation is that the TF fandom will cry out that this movie ruined Transformers forever, but they'll actually be right this time. Just like with the previous three movies.
I dunno, unless 2014 also coincides with the cancellation of Transformers Prime, or season 3 trips up first... that series seems pretty good.
There's no such thing as a good Michael Bay movie.
Then you've obviously never seen The Rock, one of the best action movies ever made even despite Nicolas Cage being in it. The first Bad Boys movie pretty good, too.
It's really just since he began destroying our childhoods that Michael Bay has become a problem.
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LOL! Actually, I am a big fan of Nicolas Cage but I know a lot of people don't like him so I decided to play to the audience. Anyway, Sean Connery is the real star of that movie whether you like NC or not.
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SC makes it even better, but The Rock is the best example of what you get when Nicholas Cage actually puts effort into his role.
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The Atlas is also goofy but it has that whole "Stay Puft Marshmallow Man" menacing smile thing going for it. The guy who drew that one up was obviously taken to the Nutcracker when he was a child... and he was screaming in terror the entire time.
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Honestly though, at this point, I'll just sit back and enjoy the inevitable Bum Review and vlogs from Spoony and Brad Jones bashing the hell out of it. I haven't even seen the second or third of Bay's movies, but they've provided me with plenty of entertainment just from those alone. Heck, I think between Spoony's vlog, Brad's Midnight Screening video, and their recorded conversation about it, I got more time of them discussing how awful the third movie was than the movie had running time.
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Well, based on that last three movies, the first half will be nothing but lame, crude, unfunny, cliche comic relief most likely riddled with stereotypes. Then the final hour or so will be one, overly long, confusing action scene followed by Michael Bay somehow tricking the American public out of approximately 1 billion dollars. Am I wrong?
Absolutely wrong. The 1 billion dollars is the international gross. Only about a third of that actually came from the American public.
Everyday I remind myself that Transformers Animated was canceled because of these movies.
In a way I'm sort of ok with a new one, if only because it will further to intenseify my hatred. Soon I'll be that robot from I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream.
Well, there is redeeming side to Transformers film.
- New Exposed parts design
- Humans as more helpful partners than the ones from G1 (But Spike is still annoying).
- Introducing Transformers to mainstream audience.
- And making Megatron as alien space fighter. I mean it would be stupid for him to be a gun, especially at the hands of backstabbing Starscream.
P.S- I wonder why the human commandoes remind me of X-Com, minus the expendable nature.
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Hmmm. We'll need new Decepticon leads, so maybe we might get some interesting models. Hopefully they actually get some toys.
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Meh, apparently there is good money in, "destroying our childhoods" because lots and lots of people keep watching these "crappy" films. If they were actually objectively bad, they wouldnt keep making enough of a profit to justify yet another movie in the lineup. Personally, I think a lot of this michael bay hate is internet echo chamber bull. He produces solid summer blockbuster fare that fills our need for flashy explosions.
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Michael Bay didn't kill anyone's childhood. The only example of Transformers killing one's childhood was the release of the cartoon movie. Killing off Optimus Prime when you're 8, that's a bit tough.
Meh, apparently there is good money in, "destroying our childhoods" because lots and lots of people keep watching these "crappy" films. If they were actually objectively bad, they wouldnt keep making enough of a profit to justify yet another movie in the lineup. Personally, I think a lot of this michael bay hate is internet echo chamber bull. He produces solid summer blockbuster fare that fills our need for flashy explosions.
Being able to distract people with special effects does not a good movie make. No, a lot of the Micheal bay hate comes from the fact that he makes bad movies, and even worse, he does actually make money off them. It's depressing.
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Michael Bay didn't kill anyone's childhood. The only example of Transformers killing one's childhood was the release of the cartoon movie. Killing off Optimus Prime when you're 8, that's a bit tough.
I think you're confusing "killing our childhood" with "defining our childhood."
Seriously, I hate the way I'm about to say this, but the best thing Optimus Prime ever did was die. He went out like a champ. It was one of the most epic moments in an already epic film. It's one of the few things that separated the '86 Transformers film from just another kid's cartoon and made it memorable. I can only wish that more storytellers would be that ballsy.
That being said, killing off a major character should always be done carefully. There should always be a reason for it. You don't just axemurder Megatron for the lols right after he helps you defeat the real villain, because that's stupid and needlessly destructive. Dark of the Moon would have ended exactly the same way if Megatron had escaped vowing the destruction of all autobots while cackling maniacally just like old times. Killing him the way they did was just wasteful, and now it's going to force them to contrive another evil ressurection or else pull a new villain from out of nowhere.
Who's left of the decepticon leadership now, anyway? Megatron, Starscream, and Shockwave were all killed (not that Shockwave had any actual character in DotM). I think Soundwave survived. Devastator was killed in Revenge of the Fallen. I can't think of anybody else who had a shot at leading the Decepticons. I think they're gonna have to bring Megatron back, or at least turn him into Galvatron as part of his ressurection.
I mean, I guess they could make Galvatron just some other guy, but that would make even less sense than normal.
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And just to change gears for a minute, but does anybody else think that the thing really missing from these movies has been Grimlock?
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Being able to distract people with special effects does not a good movie make. No, a lot of the Micheal bay hate comes from the fact that he makes bad movies, and even worse, he does actually make money off them. It's depressing.
Not winning academy awards doesnt make a movie bad either. What makes a movie good is, first of all, opinion, and second of all, objectively defined by the fact that a lot of people keep going to watch it. The fact that these movies do in fact make a significant profit means they must be good. At least good enough for the wishes of the financial backers and make them want to fund further movies. By definition they cant be objectively bad, or else they would flop. You may hate it, so its bad to you, but apparently the rest of "Murica thinks its awesome enough to go see sequel after sequel.
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I think you're confusing "killing our childhood" with "defining our childhood."
Seriously, I hate the way I'm about to say this, but the best thing Optimus Prime ever did was die.
Presumably why he dies over and over and over again...!
Seriosuly, by the time TFTM rolled out, I think he'd died at least once if not twice by that point in the One True Continuity (i.e. the UK Marvel comics run)...! Optimus Prime dying is sorta a Thing, really.
I was more put out by Rachet, Brawn, Ironhide and Prowl's deaths, honestly.
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And just to change gears for a minute, but does anybody else think that the thing really missing from these movies has been Grimlock?
Yes.
Mind you, what it has also been missing is much in the way of characterisation of any of the Transformers except for Prime, Megatron and Starscream... Bumblebee got totally shafted by being basically made into a glorified pet (and I really STILL do NOT like that it carried onto TF:Prime), and apart from the Comic Relief characters *shudder*, even after three movies, I don't think I could tell Ironhide or Rachet apart, or whet their movieverse characters were like (I not even sure which one it was that got killed in Dakr of the Moon, honestly). (And, of course, they killed off Jazz.)
So maybe it's for the best, because at least Grimlock hasn't been screwed over...
Well, there is redeeming side to Transformers film.
- New Exposed parts design - Humans as more helpful partners than the ones from G1 (But Spike is still annoying).
- Introducing Transformers to mainstream audience.
- And making Megatron as alien space fighter. I mean it would be stupid for him to be a gun, especially at the hands of backstabbing Starscream.
P.S- I wonder why the human commandoes remind me of X-Com, minus the expendable nature.
(1) Define "helpful." And (2), is that really a plus when it makes the title characters (the transformers) part of the supporting cast? Do we really have to shove the giant, alien robots who the films should be about into the background so we can have an elongated, pointless, major subplot about Shia Labeouf going to college or looking for a job?
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Well, yeah. You make the studios over a billion dollars, I think you can do anything regardless of quality.
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Honestly though, at this point, I'll just sit back and enjoy the inevitable Bum Review and vlogs from Spoony and Brad Jones bashing the hell out of it.
LOL! Me too! Brad's rant on Transformers 3 is actually one of my favorite videos of his. I have his opening words practically memorized:
"I've seen some bad films this summer: Priest, Pirates 4! This movie makes those look like Super 8! This movie SUCKS!"
Still, even with the amusing critic vlogs, I'd still prefer these awful films to end. Revenge of the Fallen is by far my least favorite film of all time. To put that in perspective, M. Night Shyamalan's Last Airbender and all the Star Wars prequels combined aren't as bad as Transformers 2 in my opinion.
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Michael Bay didn't kill anyone's childhood. The only example of Transformers killing one's childhood was the release of the cartoon movie. Killing off Optimus Prime when you're 8, that's a bit tough.
What movies did you watch as a child? Children's movies are fully of brutal deaths. Look at half the old school Disney animated films. Why Mufasa and Bambi's mom! WHY!?!?
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