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Old 11-09-2012, 05:25 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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I can grok this. As you say, jealously is a part of it, sure but what you're more worried about is this guy screwing up something that means a lot to you and being paid to do so.

It's easy to simulate - just imagine Rich had taken leave of all his senses (or had been on some really top notch pain meds) and hired your personal worst enemy to draw the strip, when you know he has the artistic talent of a watermelon.

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Old 11-09-2012, 05:42 AM   Top  -  End  -  #3
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I can grok this. As you say, jealously is a part of it, sure but what you're more worried about is this guy screwing up something that means a lot to you and being paid to do so.

It's easy to simulate - just imagine Rich had taken leave of all his senses (or had been on some really top notch pain meds) and hired your personal worst enemy to draw the strip, when you know he has the artistic talent of a watermelon.

Not good.
I wouldn't go that far. I dislike the guy, but I don't have a vendetta against him or wish him harm. I could easily name about 20 people I dislike more.

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To answer: No you're not a bad person. If you were a bad person, you wouldn't care about thinking you're a bad person. It's striving to be a good person that makes a person a good person.
Don't worry about it. You probably just don't like his art while other people do. I mean... People spend millions on paintings by Picasso, but I hate them.
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To answer: No you're not a bad person. If you were a bad person, you wouldn't care about thinking you're a bad person. It's striving to be a good person that makes a person a good person.
Don't worry about it. You probably just don't like his art while other people do. I mean... People spend millions on paintings by Picasso, but I hate them.
Ditto. If you were a bad person, you wouldn't care about feling bad about it.

The fact tht you do, means you care about something enough to be concerned about a new approach. It would be like taking a movie directed by say Quentin Tarantino, hen halfway through replacing him with Hulk Hogan. You aren't sure what is going to happen, and you are concerned.

I think that's actually pretty normal.
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Yeah, it's normal that you're unhappy for the reasons mentioned. Try and keep positive, perhaps you'll get an even better job, or be more happy with your wife and kids, or perhaps not but you are the focus of your life. Not some lucky hack
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Your current life and mine for the last three years sound VERY similar in feelings and such. Its perfectly natural and acceptable to critique someone else's work and hold them up to expectations and standards based on what the organization they represent. As for the friends thing, this is/was my life, though I've been improving those problems.

If you want to chat and have a lengthy or less so discussion, I'm available to PM, Skype (at a later time) or what not. I can certainly relate, and discuss ways to turn those blue (and perhaps a little green) feelings into a different color. Just to warn you now, however, I am in fact red/green colorblind so I'm not sure what color it could end up being!
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You now understand why Pride and Envy are 2 of the "Deadly Sins". You could be happy for your old roomie, but the fact that you believe you're better than he is and wish you had his job robs you of the chance for joy.

It is not unusual for you to feel this way. I often feel the same. But that doesn't make it right.

Since you recognize it, you can work to fix it. I just wish I had a suggestion other than to focus on something you are good at and use that to distract you.
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Your current life and mine for the last three years sound VERY similar in feelings and such. Its perfectly natural and acceptable to critique someone else's work and hold them up to expectations and standards based on what the organization they represent. As for the friends thing, this is/was my life, though I've been improving those problems.

If you want to chat and have a lengthy or less so discussion, I'm available to PM, Skype (at a later time) or what not. I can certainly relate, and discuss ways to turn those blue (and perhaps a little green) feelings into a different color. Just to warn you now, however, I am in fact red/green colorblind so I'm not sure what color it could end up being!
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Don't worry about it. You probably just don't like his art while other people do. I mean... People spend millions on paintings by Picasso, but I hate them.
No. It really is crude work. There's not liking a work because of personal preference and then there's just poor presentation. Just because something isn't your taste, you can still identify positives and flaws. Take Phineas and Ferb: I'm not a fan of the art style in terms of how they exaggerate anatomical features, but I can still say the show looks bright, colorful, and neat and clean looking. It's not my thing, but I understand why people like.

This, this is just bad. I've looked over that promo I talked about again and I keep finding new things wrong with it. It looks very slapdash, crude, and amateurish. It's hard to focus on the actual content and subject matter because the technical skill are so bad they're distracting.
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It's rare for anyone's name to be unique. Are you sure it's even the same guy?
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It's rare for anyone's name to be unique. Are you sure it's even the same guy?
As sure as the sky is blue. Not only did the site give the name of my former roommate, but it gave a website to their work. I checked it out. It's them. There's a photo of my roommate on the second site I checked out. So unless there's two artists in the same field of art with the same name and that look exactly the same with a very similar style, it's him.

In other news, my mood went from bad to worse this evening.
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In regard to the guy getting the job with the website: He must have done something to impress the site owners to get the job, which suggests he has more talent than you give him credit for having. If the projects he is attached to are terrible and are consistently terrible, he probably won't have a job with them for long. In the mean time, avoid his projects and continue with your enjoyment of the sites other entertainment offerings.
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It sounds like what you're saying is essentially that nothing seems to be going right; you've backslid in your academic career which has delayed your professional career, and all of the people around you are moving ahead of you--even the people who are legitimately less competent, you're having financial troubles and no matter what you do it just seems like you're fighting the current, and on top of all of this you feel isolated. It's not even that this guy you don't like is doing something you would love; that would aggravate you normally but you'd be done like you said after a Dooty or Halo match; but his situation--an incompetent fool in a good position--is emblematic of everything that's wrong with your life and by extension wrong with the world right now. Because after all, you're competent but you're not in a good way.

Is that about right? Or have I misunderstood?

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Obviously words alone won't fix the problem. I wish I could offer more than that, but like Wombat I'm glad to talk or just listen if you want, and offer advice if I can. Well, provided I'm not asleep or at work; the house and food won't pay for themselves and sleep has that unfortunate side effect of unconsciousness Honestly though, if there's anything I can do or if you'd like to talk, don't even hesitate.
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Re: Community college being basics, easy, a stepping stone to other places. Uh, yeah, that's what community colleges are for. Getting credits under the belt so you don't have to pay a fancy school to get the basics. None of their design and art classes are going to challenge you, so take some history or something for the credits.
Re: everything else, yeah, other people said it. You're jealous, it's natural and fine, you're not a bad person.
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Doc, I haven't seen any of this guy's work, but... I have seen some of yours. I know your sig banner is by Grlump, but that would honestly be the best work I've ever seen you do because the scenery in it looks pretty good. But your work... is either minimalistic cartoons, or drawings that don't exactly meet the request. I could barely look at that succubus picture of yours. I don't know, maybe if you made detailed scenery or something.
Dude, not the place for that. Really, really, not the place. Seriously.

Anyway Dr. Epic, it seems to me that your problem is that things aren't really going your way in general, which makes the ex-roommate thing hurt worse. I've not been in exactly your situation, but feeling that you're too good for your school is a feeling I can sympathize with, as are educational setbacks in general. My advice is to keep in mind that you're still in school, ergo still making progress towards your end goal. Even if it isn't the school you want, or the progress you want, it's still forwards momentum.

The other, probably harder, thing to do is to take those feelings of superiority, and smash them. They feel good in a vindictive little way at the moment - and are oh so easy to make a habit I know - but long term mostly just hurt. It took me two years to squash these feelings in myself during college, and learning to drop the shell and engage was one of the better lessons learned in college, and the only saving grace of an otherwise wretched senior year.

The year after that I spent working in a restaurant with, well, the sorts of people who work in restaurants. It was actually a lot of fun, but had I acted like I did in college it would have been completely unbearable.
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Take Phineas and Ferb: I'm not a fan of the art style in terms of how they exaggerate anatomical features...
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Dude, not the place for that. Really, really, not the place. Seriously.
Why?

You said he has to deal with his feelings of superiority. How is an honest assessment of his art's actual quality not in line with this?
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Why?

You said he has to deal with his feelings of superiority. How is an honest assessment of his art's actual quality not in line with this?
Because the way to deal with feelings of superiority isn't to replace them with feelings of inferiority. And that's what you get in my experience when you start dumping criticism on somebody who's already feeling down.

Getting over feeling superior to other people doesn't mean thinking you are worse then them, or ignoring the fact that you may have talents that they don't. It's accepting though they may not do X as well as you, they aren't worse than you or unworthy of your notice and interest because of that. They're people, you're people, it's all about even in the end.
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So.... I'm really bad at cheering up people I don't know. I'll give it a shot though.

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In regard to the guy getting the job with the website: He must have done something to impress the site owners to get the job, which suggests he has more talent than you give him credit for having.
I don’t want to continuously dwell on tearing apart someone’s art (despite the fact I already did that several times in this thread), but the guy who was supposed to do this had to drop out so maybe it was a last minute, emergency, get whoever is available immediately kind of thing.

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Re: Community college being basics, easy, a stepping stone to other places. Uh, yeah, that's what community colleges are for.
Yeah, I know that. It’s like walking into some truck stop in the middle of nowhere and complaining about their food. Well did you really expect it taste good? It still doesn’t change the my situation or how I feel.

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It’s not just the art classes. It’s half the professors in general. Most of them seem incompetent. The worst professor I had at my first college was way better than any of the professor at community college.

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Getting over feeling superior to other people doesn't mean thinking you are worse then them, or ignoring the fact that you may have talents that they don't. It's accepting though they may not do X as well as you, they aren't worse than you or unworthy of your notice and interest because of that. They're people, you're people, it's all about even in the end.
Dropping the superiority act I don't think would be that difficult for me. If you're trying to suggest socializing with people at community college, I think that'd be the bigger challenge. Honestly, I'm just not up to it now. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't feelings of superiority, but it's not completely that. Considering my lack of contract from previous friends, I'm feeling kind of turned of to socializing. Not to mention I've always suffer social anxiety my whole life.

There's this thing in Phili (Acrylic Armageddon at the bottom) which I'm planning on going to. I don't know. Maybe I'll meet some people with similar interests. I'll report back on how it goes.

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Obviously words alone won't fix the problem. I wish I could offer more than that, but like Wombat I'm glad to talk or just listen if you want, and offer advice if I can. Well, provided I'm not asleep or at work; the house and food won't pay for themselves and sleep has that unfortunate side effect of unconsciousness Honestly though, if there's anything I can do or if you'd like to talk, don't even hesitate.
Wow. I thought I had it rough. I mean, my situation kind of pales to that of a ruined marriage as well as everything else you listed. Really sorry to hear that.

Oh, and also I might take you up on that offer to talk.

All I know is suddenly I'm not half the man I used to be.

So what else is happening...
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I'd say give it a shot. If it doesn't work out, well at least you tried. IF you don't you potentially miss out on an opportunity, or worse, wonder if you should have. I know with me, I never got the opportunity to do so, because all mine moved away and left me to live at my parents with NO one around, so I'm certainly rooting for you. I know its hard to reach out to people who've been distant for awhile, but you might meet freinds of theirs who could lead to better friendships too.
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I'd say give it a shot. If it doesn't work out, well at least you tried. IF you don't you potentially miss out on an opportunity, or worse, wonder if you should have. I know with me, I never got the opportunity to do so, because all mine moved away and left me to live at my parents with NO one around, so I'm certainly rooting for you. I know its hard to reach out to people who've been distant for awhile, but you might meet freinds of theirs who could lead to better friendships too.
Well, here goes nothing then...
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Well, here goes nothing then...
good luck...having just recently moved away from all my friends, i know what your going through...
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