Look through the IHB you will find a way, hopefully several ways.
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I still need to know how you guys got insanely high attributes.
No... no you don't.
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Ok, rolling a D(whatever) without giving us a hard limit is, no offence, Bull****.
You've basically said "If you do more than (not gonna tell you) there is a chance you will die, no save"
We have no chance of retaliation, no way of avoiding it beside simply not messing with time At All (including Haste or any other way of doing it)
If I make a Demiplane that is 1 Year inside. 1 Round outside will you roll a die?
If no: What about 2 years?
3?
What is the exact limit before it starts being Risky.
Nah, if they're going through the trouble to use time dragons then it's not gonna be an auto-kill, just pretty bad.
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Whether it is just temporal or spacial they can smell something OP across the multiverse and all dimensions, they can exist in any type of plane, or outside planes, and can simply create a copy of themselves wherever you are to stop your OPness.
For everyones information I have started a Paranoia campaign nothing is as it seems and all actions have a chance you will die so get use to it, until I get board and go back to being a regular DM.
Wait, this is non-temporal op too?
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This is not a limit on your OP this is a bit of resistance like how characters must get to level 500 from 50 and gain 64 divine ranks, but I plan to keep this more secret.
Kinda already explained that one... three time... what are the chances nobody heard?
A conversation between me, Doctor O. (after me wanting clarification on the Time Dragon thing):
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Doctor O: The time dragons think they are above all of you players and they also enjoy ruling through fear so they will swoup in at any moment you brake time an arbetrary amount. rweird: So Izeldus doesn't have any rules he is telling me though his dragons will come after me for breaking them. Gee, are all dragons the full of themselves? Doctor O: Think of Izeildus as friend coputor for a sec, how would he handle a rule involving time? He would make a blanket rule saying time disruption is treason, then he can deside whether he enforces it by how much he likes or dislikes them and pretend he did not notice when his friends do it. rweird: So all manipulation of time is Treason? Doctor O: Unless it isn't in which case it's not, but in other cases it is. rweird: Though the rules are not layed out clearly showing what is treason and what isn't? Doctor O: Let me put it this way. Everything is treason, and you can be thankful that you were spared today, because tomarow doing the same thing may earn you the deathe sentance. rweird: Great, just great. So anything I do may be punishable by death. This makes me really glad I chose this character concept. Doctor O: Yes dragons are liked and you just need to know the more OP it is the more HD and divine rank these time dragons have. rweird: What exactly counts as time stream manipulation? Time Stop shouldn't because that just makes you go faster, or if it does, so would haste, though neither affect the time stream. Also, does having different time flow Demiplanes count, etc. Is it defined? Doctor O: No just think before you do soething that might be time related and wheigh the risk. rweird: So this includes casting Haste and the like, or does it exclude time stop. Or is it they'll come out to get you whenever you do something that may or may not actually change the timestream in any way shape or form. I'm pretty sure that we'd be allowed to know the definition of time, or at least I'd know which spells actually manipulate time (results in the thousands for spellcraft, knowledges, etc).
That is as far as it got, though mentioning the Time Dragons going after everything OP in this thread pretty much means that this is an arms race with the DM. The DM allowed immortal's handbook and a bunch of other crazy broken stuff. If you have abilities that let you survive at this level, then yet unstatted dragons with infinite arbrogates will come after you. This is seriously making me think about dropping, because participating in an arms race with the DM never ends well.
This pretty much means that Izeldias is unbeatable and he'll kill all his foes with time dragons if they're strong or do anything powerful, and if you beat them, either a more powerful DM fiat will kill you or you'll just win the game.
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...wait, people were unaware that the Dragon god-thing empire controlled by the DM was a general smack down hammer for disapproved things? I figured that was somewhat implicit in the whole design of the thing.
I'm still morbidly convinced that the whole game is going to crash and burn, mind. It seems somewhat inevitable, so I'm basically here for the thought experiment. Also because discovering HOW everything dies is often just as much fun as winning, if approached in the right way - like Dwarf Fortress.
In related news, I have basically given up on trying to ramp my stats to obscene levels. Once you pass a certain sort of point, any further purely numerical advantage becomes virtually irrelevant. Also, trying to do it just gives me a headache. I'll focus on just actually building my damn nation.
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Yup, it will crash and burn. my group is mostly here to have fun with all the awesome people, not to powergame. (though the awesome people may be mostly limited to us as most of the people have left since we decided that... )
I believe that it was mentioned the Izeldias was kind of a final boss or something, meaning him killing all of us now (or some of us) is kind of like an Epic level wizard showing up and curbstomping a bunch of level 10 PCs. If something is cheesy and it isn't allowed, it shouldn't be a secret and it'll be they show up and are like: "You crossed an invisible line, DIE!" You should be told what safe things are.
Izeldias having an empire is okay, though it removing people from the game for crossing a line, even if they don't know where the line is is pure bad DMing, especially with the line explicitly being said "It is arbitrary, you don't know where it is, but if you cross it you die." I don't even know what the exact definition of time is for this, though it is now expanded to anything OP. Also, my character's race may naturally exist over the line, but I don't know.
It would be like Dwarf fortress deleting your game if a dwarf goes past a certain depth that you don't know, which is anywhere from right below the surface, to the very bottom.
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Though he has Time Dragon hit teams with infinite arbrogates which going to attack at some point, and they are yet unstatted, and stronger than any preexisting ones I'm talking about, though if someone that gets attacked finds a way to beat them, then they'd get pretty powerful.
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Zombie? You can do better than that, in fact, I don't think that they can be made into zombies unless the ones you kill have 10 HD or less.
Well, there was the whole idea of enslaving the entire species through...things...but it struck me as somewhat unfair.
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Zombie? You can do better than that, in fact, I don't think that they can be made into zombies unless the ones you kill have 10 HD or less.
As snow says we didn't want to be mean... anywho zombie dragon template has no HD cap (and the normal HD cap is 20, not 10 or else they'd have broken it back in MMI)
As snow says we didn't want to be mean... anywho zombie dragon template has no HD cap (and the normal HD cap is 20, not 10 or else they'd have broken it back in MMI)
Oh, zombie dragon, sorry. For the Zombie template, it is limited to 10 HD base creature's, just the zombies HD doubles when the template is applied. My knowledge of templates is diminished outside of Core.
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Nah, if they're going through the trouble to use time dragons then it's not gonna be an auto-kill, just pretty bad.
Wait, this is non-temporal op too?
Yes don't think these dragons assure your death, and yes time dragons can come after you for any reason as all of these dragons are part of the army of Izeldias and he can send any type of dragon to kill you for braking any type of law.
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There most adept with taking care of those type of problems for Izeldias, but could be sent out on other missions just due to their power.
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Silliness. If the strongest there is are time dragons then someone has vary one dimensional thought...
Drack, think a moment on who we're talking about. One dimensional thought kinda defines him
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